Mega Evolutions

[NecroElectric]

What Mega Evolutions are the strongest? I'm curious about this, because I have a Mawile that's very powerful (I do know that it's partly due to it's mega ability), then I have a Banette that doesn't seem like it can take many hits before it goes down, and I already know that Mewtwo's two Mega Evolutions have the highest base stats out of any Pokemon. So how exactly to the Mega Evolutions stack up against each other?

 

[TerraTF]

The top 3 Legal Mega Evolutions right now, meaning not M-Gengar, M-Kangaskhan, or M-Lucario as all 3 are banned from Smogon's OU Tier as well as Mewtwo being Uber by itself, I would say would be M-Scizor, M-Garchomp, and M-Venusaur. Scizor and Garchomp are here for their pure speed and attacking power while Venusaur is the just simply for its bulk.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Venusaur, sure, but MCharizard X and MCharizard Y are the other two. Scizor and Garchomp are too slow and lack the damage output those two have (despite their higher Attacking stats, they don't have Sun/Tough Claws to boost their damage and they're slow with no way to boost their Speed, making them susceptible to their crippling 4x weaknesses (Fire and Ice). MCharY has a 4x Rock weakness but it also has Solar Beam and is faster than pretty much every Rock type and has Flame Charge to boost in case of a Terrakion or whatever so that doesn't even matter)

 

[TerraTF]

Venusaur, sure, but MCharizard X and MCharizard Y are the other two. Scizor and Garchomp are too slow and lack the damage output those two have (despite their higher Attacking stats, they don't have Sun/Tough Claws to boost their damage and they're slow with no way to boost their Speed, making them susceptible to their crippling 4x weaknesses (Fire and Ice). MCharY has a 4x Rock weakness but it also has Solar Beam and is faster than pretty much every Rock type and has Flame Charge to boost in case of a Terrakion or whatever so that doesn't even matter)

Yes but neither Scizor nor Garchomp are weak to the most common hazard, Stealth Rocks, and Scizor is even immune to Toxic Spikes, unlike M-Charizard X. But I guess people have their own personal top 3. The two Charizard's however do round out my top 5.

After Venu, both Mega Zards, Scizor and Garchomp I'd say Manectric, Gardevoir, and Aerodactyl would be the next best options or if you wanted to go for the element of surprise.

 

[BadAssKoala]

Mega Blazekin is in my opinion the best mega. Its his extraordinary damage output and speed boost that really put him over the edge. One turn using protect and you out speed most of the OU tier. Flare blitz and hi jump kick provide great coverage and a swords dance makes this cock fighter even deadlier.

As for legal megas Bannete isn't half bad if you want to use him. If trained correctly he can be pretty bulky and can use priority WoW to cripple physical attackers. M-Bannete is also the only pokemon with prankster to get destiny bond. Using that earns him a neat little niche, and if used correctly can take down at least one pokemon.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

1. MCharY
2. MCharX
3. MVenusaur tie with MPinsir
4. MGarchomp tie with MTyranitar
5. MGyarados
(0 or few drawbacks to slapping these on a team)
6. MScizor tie with MMawile
(Strong and has priority, but slow with easy to exploit weaknesses)
7. MGardevoir tie with MMedicham
(Too frail and lack recovery, but powerful nonetheless)
8. MBlastoise tie with MHeracross
(Not outclassed at what they do, but easy to play around if you know what you're doing)
9. MAggron tie with MAbsol
(Capable of excelling at all sorts of things but cannot fit then all in (MAggron's damage output and aspecial bulk are both dissappointing without investment, MAbsol's frailty prevents it from Magic Bouncing as well as Xatu and it has major 4MSS, wanting Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Play Rough, Fire Blast, Swords Dance, and Baton Pass)
10. MManectric tie with MAerodactyl (outclassed by Thundurus or Crobat partially - opportunity cost of not being able to use another mega is too great in most situations)
11. MAlakazam (outclassed by base form completely)
12. MAbomasnow, MAmpharos, MHoundoom (is not self sustaining, requires support (TR, Sun))
13. MBanette (fucking Prankster not activating screws what could be a great mon. If not for that it'd be on par with MAggron and MAbsol, as 4MSS is its biggest problem besides the game mechanics screwing it up the butt)

 

[Apawn:p]

What would be good sandstorm players?
Building sand team and need mega

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

TTar or Garchomp are sand buddies.

 

[TerraTF]

TTar or Garchomp are sand buddies.

^That. It also confuses the opponent when you bring in two Pokemon who could be Mega's. I always find it easy to figure out who the opponent's Mega is going to be and I make sure I have my Pokemon that is strong against it out on the field.

 

[Apawn:p]

TTar or Garchomp are sand buddies.

I mean more of, weird pokemon to use in sandstorm, like airialdactal (I note that I spelled it wrong)

 

[TerraTF]

TTar or Garchomp are sand buddies.

I mean more of, weird pokemon to use in sandstorm, like airialdactal (I note that I spelled it wrong)

M-Aggron would be fine in Sandstorm due to it raising Rock types Special Defense by 50%, so basically a +1 to Special Defense. Other than that I think there are better Sand Sweepers than M-Aerodactyl. For example, Excadrill provide spinning and can sweep very well. Then there is Landorus and Mixed Lucario who both serve great purposes in Sand.

 

[Zeb]

M-Aggron would be fine in Sandstorm due to it raising Rock types Special Defense by 50%, so basically a +1 to Special Defense.

Mega Aggron is pure Steel, so it doesn't get the Sp.Def boost in sand.

12. MAbomasnow, MAmpharos, MHoundoom (is not self sustaining, requires support (TR, Sun))

Mega Houndoom doesn't need sun support. It can use Nasty Plot perfectly fine, and sits at a decent 115 Speed. It is lacking compared to a lot of other Megas, but it being dependant on sun support to use isn't true.



As for the topic, Blaziken, Gengar, Kangaskhan and (obviously) Mewtwo are the best ones. Lucario is up there with them aswell. But ignoring the banned Megas in Smogon/PO metagame, the Charizards are extremely good (I have developed a hatred for Y because frankly it pisses me off whenever I face it). Mega Pinsir is also amazing. Mawile, Scizor, Tyranitar, Garchomp, Gyarados, Venusaur (Mega Venusaur is also really annoying to me) are all top notch, and even Medicham, Gardevoir, Blastoise and Heracross are good. Absol, Aggron, Manectric, Houndoom, Abomasnow, Ampharos are all a little lacking in comparison with the earlier ones, but they aren't bad by any means (and are certainly good in UU). Aerodactyl, Banette and whichever ones I've forgotten I can't really comment on for not using them or facing them much if at all. And I've seen only seen one Mega Alakazam so meh.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Mega Aggron is pure Steel, so it doesn't get the Sp.Def boost in sand.

12. MAbomasnow, MAmpharos, MHoundoom (is not self sustaining, requires support (TR, Sun))

Mega Houndoom doesn't need sun support. It can use Nasty Plot perfectly fine, and sits at a decent 115 Speed. It is lacking compared to a lot of other Megas, but it being dependant on sun support to use isn't true.

Without Sun MHoundoom is outclassed by most other special sweepers like Manaphy (who is slower but has superior bulk, boosts to +3 rather than +2, and also gets a boost from weather) and Thundurus-I (who can also sweep with Nasty Plot but also has Prankster TWave and Sub). At least IMO, without Sun the opportunity cost of not being able to use one of the other Megas is too great. MAmpharos and MAbomasnow are also usable outside of TR if you run like bulky SubSeed or a pivot set, but they (and MHoundoom) don't have the 'wow' factor of the other Megas without support.

 

[JustJeff]

Well breaking the ice, I gatta say that there isn't really a useless Mega. Some Mega's are ubers, some Mega's are OU, and some Mega's are just Underrated.
Following the 1st post, I gatta say that Mega Banette is just very underrated. Having Prankster and a Base 165 Attk, it is something to be looked at.

Pivot
Banette @ Banettite
Ability: Frisk (ME: Prankster)
Natute: Adamant
Ev's: 252 Hp / 172 Attk / 80 Def
~Will-O-Wisp
~Pain Split
~Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
~Destiny Bond

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Well breaking the ice, I gatta say that there isn't really a useless Mega. Some Mega's are ubers, some Mega's are OU, and some Mega's are just Underrated.
Following the 1st post, I gatta say that Mega Banette is just very underrated. Having Prankster and a Base 165 Attk, it is something to be looked at.

Pivot
Banette @ Banettite
Ability: Frisk (ME: Prankster)
Natute: Adamant
Ev's: 252 Hp / 172 Attk / 80 Def
~Will-O-Wisp
~Pain Split
~Sucker Punch / Shadow Sneak
~Destiny Bond

Just wondering, what specific KOs does 172 Atk let you achieve/80 Def let you avoid? That set looks great, but I think the one I use might be optimized better (obvs I might be totally wrong xD)

Banette @ Banettite
Frisk-->Prankster
Careful
252 HP/4 Atk/252 Sp Def
~Destiny Bond
~Will-O-Wisp
~Taunt/Sucker Punch/Shadow Sneak
~Knock Off/Shadow Claw

A spread of 252/252+ guarantees that you live a LO Greninja Dark Pulse after Stealth Rock. (Note that this is for on-cart, at level 100 this should be adjusted to 252/40/216+ as attacks deal more damage at Lvl 50 than at 100. This may seem like a less powerful spread, but you'll also be doing more damage at level 50 so the decrease in Atk investment is not very notable)

You also outspeed Aegislash, assuming it is The Crumbler. You are guaranteed the 2HKO with Knock Off (vs Shield) followed by Shadow Sneak (vs Blade) or an OHKO with Knock Off/Shadow Claw if you come in on its Blade Forme, and Shadow Ball only has a 50% chance to OHKO you (all this is at Lvl 50). Shadow Sneak is a 68.8% chance to OHKO Blade Forme after Stealth Rock if you're worried about being Shadow Sneaked yourself, and Sucker Punch is a guaranteed OHKO against Blade Forme even without SR. Against a king's Shield variant, you're even better off as you can Will-O-Wisp on their KS and a +2 Burned Shadow Sneak never OHKOes and obviously you're immune to Sacred Sword. (+0 Burned Shadow Claw also never OHKOes if they carry that over Swords Dance)

 

[JustJeff]

The 80 Def is to actually survive Physical hits once they are burned by Will-O-Wisp, that is if and of course they stayed and not switch out.
Having a base 171 Hp and 105 Base Def (through EV Spread / Lvl 50 ) and them being burned, you guaranteed to survive one physical hit, thus making it a 'Mind Game' by the use of Destiny Bond.
Of course you always can have no EV investment in Defense but of course, the safer the better rite?
With my set, you can also get hit by a non-glass canon's physical move and live, and thus once again, you play w/ 'Destiny'
Nonetheless, you should always be baiting fighting moves and once Banette gets a free switch in, it punishes the opponent.

Now I'm not neglecting any other build or anything, your build seems pretty interesting to be honest. Just my opinion for the thread~

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

The 80 Def is to actually survive Physical hits once they are burned by Will-O-Wisp, that is if and of course they stayed and not switch out.
Having a base 171 Hp and 105 Base Def (through EV Spread / Lvl 50 ) and them being burned, you guaranteed to survive one physical hit, thus making it a 'Mind Game' by the use of Destiny Bond.
Of course you always can have no EV investment in Defense but of course, the safer the better rite?
With my set, you can also get hit by a non-glass canon's physical move and live, and thus once again, you play w/ 'Destiny'
Nonetheless, you should always be baiting fighting moves and once Banette gets a free switch in, it punishes the opponent.

Now I'm not neglecting any other build or anything, your build seems pretty interesting to be honest. Just my opinion for the thread~

I get the general idea of why you'd want a spread like that, but is there any reason for those numbers? Like, what physical attack did you want to live that you used as a basis for the spread? Not that it's bad, I'm just curious xD

 

[JustJeff]

Maybe a Brave Bird from a Skarmory or perhaps a Earthquake from a Gliscor. Or say a waterfall from a Swampert! maybe even a Sucker Punch from a Gengar! Who knows?~
105 Def w/ a 80 Def EV spread just seems like a nice good solid number to me.

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Maybe a Brave Bird from a Skarmory or perhaps a Earthquake from a Gliscor. Or say a waterfall from a Swampert! maybe even a Sucker Punch from a Gengar! Who knows?~
105 Def w/ a 80 Def EV spread just seems like a nice good solid number to me.

Ah, I see. I was sort of hoping for something solid but whatever works I guess xD

 

[UB-01 Kenobi]

Maybe a Brave Bird from a Skarmory or perhaps a Earthquake from a Gliscor. Or say a waterfall from a Swampert! maybe even a Sucker Punch from a Gengar! Who knows?~
105 Def w/ a 80 Def EV spread just seems like a nice good solid number to me.

Ah, I see. I was sort of hoping for something solid but whatever works I guess xD