moves that Pokemon should learn, but can't

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Flareon: Flare Blitz - High Attack stat, great new physical Fire attack, obvious inability to learn Fire Punch, so this is a rather glaring omission.

Luxray: Volt Tackle - Needs better physical STAB, obvious inability to learn ThunderPunch, so this is the only other option.

Gyarados: Aerial Ace - If even Dugtrio can learn it...

Pikachu/Raichu: Ice Punch - Mildly surprising it couldn't even get this via Platinum Move Tutor. Would give it a great option for Grass types, who resist its STAB moves.

Sandslash: Spikes - Its back is covered in them.
 
you forgot Entei's in need of Flare Blitz as well. I'm hoping Heart/Soul will fix up some of these (I'm so sure Booster needed Lava Plume in Platinum... seriously, what the fuck Gamefreaks? This better not keep up after the third game in a single generation). Aside from those mentioned, I think Denji and Oban's entire teams from their Double Battle (with Booburn being the exception that can already learn it) are Pokemon that seem eligible to learn either Flare Blitz or Volt Tackle (regardless of some of them being more special-inclined... not that it's ever stopped Gamefreaks before).

And the reason Dugtrio can learn Aerial Ace is because the attack seems to involve speed more than actually flying (it was named by a swift sword technique employed by Sasaki Kojirou)... besides, from what we know, Dugtrio do apparently have claws (another trait commonly seen in Pokemon capable of using the attack and likely allusion to its origin as a sword skill) given that they have been able to learn attacks like Slash since the beginning. Though it is nonetheless odd that Gyarados is screwed out of it (it does have fangs, after all), but hey, at least this generation gave it Bounce... not the best STAB move, but I guess it counts for something.

Anyway, if Sky Attack is ever made a tutor move again (as it was in XD and, like many tutor moves, was originally a TM), Arceus should be able to learn it (especially since it's called "God Bird" in the Japanese version). If nothing else, they should probably pull a Draco Meteor and let it learn the attack when holding a Sky Plate.

And since I'm on a role with the Japanese origins: Nyula and Manyula with Razor Wind (Kamaitachi in Japanese). Now while I do think the attack fucking reeks and is quite possibly one of the least worthwhile moves in existence, as I've expressed here, but nonetheless, I find it off that the two Pokemon that were clearly derived from the Kamaitachi (Japanese sickle weasel) mythology can't get the attack derived from the same source (for that matter, there's a team in Mystery Dungeon 2 that's themed around the attack, and while Strike and Zangoose can learn it, Sandpan can't).

Teleport is downright worthless as well, but why can't Palkia, a Pokemon that manipulates space, have access to it? And not to be mean, giving its counterpart a much more worthwhile skill, but Dialga and Doom Desire. Though I guess the name is clearly associated with Jirachi's wish-granting, the delay could be associated with Dialga's time abilities. The last one I could think of for now is Dirtengu with Air Slash.
 
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They are not going to give Volt Tackle to anything OTHER than the Pikachu line. It is THEIR move.
 
Boron said:
They are not going to give Volt Tackle to anything OTHER than the Pikachu line. It is THEIR move.
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Then again, the Hoenn starters all had their signature moves made... Not so signature anymore.

They might have other Pokémon learn it via convuluted methods.

Anyways:

Areodactyl: Brave Bird and Head Smash. I'd love it if they made use of Areodactyl's Rock Head ability once more. Although with both attacks it would be nigh-unstoppable.

Ampharos: Tail Glow. No I don't care that it's called Firefly Light in Japanese, Manaphy learns the attack despite it not being close to a firefly or even have it's tail glowing (It's the appendages on it's head). Maybe Charizard can learn the attack as well.

Solrock and Luntatone: Morning Sun for the former and Moonlight for the later. They're supposed to get energy from the sun and moon respectively.
 
There isn't really any reason to think that, as previously mentioned. In the 3rd gen, Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, and Muddy Water were starter-exclusive moves, but not anymore.

Exploud: Focus Punch - Really strange. It has long arms and learns several punching moves, but not this one.

Clefable: Hyper Voice - Unless GameFreak thinks it would make it too similar to Wigglytuff, it'd be nice if Clefable had a good special STAB like this. It's sort of known for its voice/singing (not as much as Jigglypuff but still), so it would fit.
 
There isn't really any reason to think that, as previously mentioned. In the 3rd gen, Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, and Muddy Water were starter-exclusive moves, but not anymore.
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Yes, but they aren't as powerful as Volt Tackle.

Rapidash should learn Extreme Speed given how it can run at speeds of 15mph! Even a lucario can learn extreme speed, which I don't get. Plus is one of the few moves that s few normal types can use so one more normal type learning it might also help.
 
Geodude said:
Clefable: Hyper Voice - Unless GameFreak thinks it would make it too similar to Wigglytuff, it'd be nice if Clefable had a good special STAB like this. It's sort of known for its voice/singing (not as much as Jigglypuff but still), so it would fit.
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The problem is that Clefable's specifically known for being a quiet Pokémon that dislike loud noise. Perhaps it could learn a new attack that can take advantage of it's mysterious abilities.

Shinx3000 said:
Rapidash should learn Extreme Speed given how it can run at speeds of 15mph! Even a lucario can learn extreme speed, which I don't get. Plus is one of the few moves that s few normal types can use so one more normal type learning it might also help.
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While I agree that Rapidash is fast and needs more moves to utilize (a problem many physical fire types face), Extremespeed isn't really one of those moves.

Extremespeed (Or Godspeed in Japanese) seems to be reserved only for legendary Pokémon (Rayquaza, Speed forme Deoxys and Arcues), near-legendary Pokémon (Arcanine, Togekiss and Lucario) or as a very special move (Dratini in Crystal and Zigzagoon from Pokémon Box or that promotional Berry Fix download.)
 
Extremespeed (Or Godspeed in Japanese) seems to be reserved only for legendary Pokémon (Rayquaza, Speed forme Deoxys and Arcues), near-legendary Pokémon (Arcanine, Togekiss and Lucario) or as a very special move (Dratini in Crystal and Zigzagoon from Pokémon Box or that promotional Berry Fix download.)
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Yeah but whats the point of making it Normal type then if those pokemon (besides one or two like Togekiss) don't get STAB from it? Most normal types need STAB or they won't be very good I think (could be wrong on that)
 
Typhlosion. Better special moves. Plz. I mean c'mon, if Feraligatr the monotype Water final form from Johto can have a bajillion physical moves at its disposal, why not the other two?
 
Wynaut, Wobbuffet: Bide and Metal Burst. The two are so similar to Counter/Mirror Coat that I am surprised that they never got to learn these moves.

Hitmonchan: Shadow Punch, Dizzy Punch. Seriously, c'mon, it is the punching Pokemon, and if Hitmonlee can get Blaziken's signature move, why wouldn't Hitmonchan get these?!

Weezing: Gunk Shot. Seriously. The Pokedex says it eats garbage, so why can't it barf it back up in the form of an attack?! Weezing was the ONLY reason I wanted a Gunk Shot tutor in Platinum, and wouldn't you know it, freakish Game Freak doesn't let Weezing learn it!

Any flying type that can't already learn it: Sky Attack. Self-explanatory. If a PIDGEY can learn the move, why can't Golbat? Sure it's called "God BIRD" in Japanese and Golbat is a bat, but it can also learn, wouldn't you know it, Brave BIRD.

Flygon: Dragon Dance. Seriously, why can't it learn the move? It is a dragon. What further qualification need there be?! On that subject, Salamence should get the move without the need to breed it onto it. And Arbok, because it's in the Dragon egg group and because I just like it.

Mew: Any move it can't already learn. Sure, this would make it broken as hell, but hey, isn't it already? Besides, the Pokedex claims it can use any move, I believe.

Aggron, Aerodactyl, Doduo, Weezing: Head Smash. Aggron and Aerodactyl can use the move effectively with their Rock Head, and Doduo and Weezing? Isn't Head Smash's jap. name Double Headbutt? DOUBLE HEADbutt. Think about that.

Kingler: Waterfall. Crabhammer is powerful, but less accurate than Aqua Tail. Seriously, I don't know why Crawdaunt gets Waterfall but Kingler doesn't.

And of course, the obligatory Flareon Flare Blitz and Ampharos Tail Glow.
 
Geodude said:
There isn't really any reason to think that, as previously mentioned. In the 3rd gen, Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, and Muddy Water were starter-exclusive moves, but not anymore.
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not only that, but I find it pretty retarded that the Pikachu line gets what's pretty much an electric version of an existing move (Double-Edge), which then goes on to get its Fire-type counterpart (both of which are made even more useful in the 4th generation in that they're one of the only physical moves of their respective types), and it's STILL not learned by other Electric-types (also, I heard someone on a Japanese forum suggest that Entei and Booster don't get Flare Blitz because Raikou and Thunders don't get Volt Tackle, counterparts tending to have their movesets in-synch). I know they're trying to make the Pikachu line seem special and all, but they really need to go about doing it some other way that won't particularly screw over several other Pokemon (besides that, was a recoil move, of all things, really the best choice for Pikachu?).

Oh, and as an aside, I really think they should alter the way Light Ball's used so it doesn't necessarily screw Raichu over completely. Maybe it could be equipped to the entire line but have a different effect for each: Pikachu increases its attacks, while Raichu increases its defenses (and I guess Pichu could increase its speed).

Clefable: Hyper Voice - Unless GameFreak thinks it would make it too similar to Wigglytuff, it'd be nice if Clefable had a good special STAB like this. It's sort of known for its voice/singing (not as much as Jigglypuff but still), so it would fit.
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meh... I'd like more Normal Pokemon to get special STAB as well, but I don't think Hyper Voice is the best way to go (besides, it's blocked by Soundproof). I think they should just bring Tri-Attack back as a tutor move or something

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Typhlosion. Better special moves. Plz. I mean c'mon, if Feraligatr the monotype Water final form from Johto can have a bajillion physical moves at its disposal, why not the other two?
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yeah, that is bullshit. Eruption is a nice new toy, but I don't think that quite makes up for the fact that the poor guy lost Thunderpunch this generation (well... its physical attack is still somewhat decent, albeit lacking to its special, but a lack of Swords Dance, or at least Howl, the latter of which would really fit, kinda hurts it). For what it's worth, Swift is special now... 60 power attacks with a special affect seem to have at least SOME usage, right?

Oh yeah, Utsubot needs Poison Jab. Don't tell me it couldn't stab at the opponent with that pointy appendage it has. Speaking of Poison STAB, Matadogas with Gunk Shot (even after it became a tutor move, it was still screwed).

freddie515 said:
Lickiliky should learn lick..........
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Geodude already mentioned it, but I just wanted to bring up how fucked up it was that its pre-evolved form couldn't learn it back in the first generation (even after the Yellow update). This goes for a lot of Pokemon as well, like Lizardon and Kairyuu not learning Fly.
 
Wynaut, Wobbuffet: Bide and Metal Burst. The two are so similar to Counter/Mirror Coat that I am surprised that they never got to learn these moves.
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Those moves are not counter moves e.g they don't deal more damage to foe after foe hits user with an attack, the are moves that can deal damage if pokemon gets hit or not, that's not what wobuffett is used for.

Kingler: Waterfall. Crabhammer is powerful, but less accurate than Aqua Tail. Seriously, I don't know why Crawdaunt gets Waterfall but Kingler doesn't.
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I am guessing that the shape of kingler is why it cant learn waterfall. In anime waterfall is a large spiral of water going upwards. Can you really imagine a kingler going up a big spiral of water? A crawdaunt can do it easily as it walks forward, walking sideways up it would look funny and not be so great.

Hitmonchan: Shadow Punch, Dizzy Punch. Seriously, c'mon, it is the punching Pokemon, and if Hitmonlee can get Blaziken's signature move, why wouldn't Hitmonchan get these?!
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Yeah I would like that too, makes sense.

Fix'd ;)
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whoops, 15mph is much different than 150mph!
 
Raticate should learn Surf judging from two pokedex entries:

(Yellow) Its hind feet are webbed. They act as flippers, so it can swim in rivers and hunt for prey.

(Fire Red) Its rear feet have three toes each. They are webbed, enabling it to swim across rivers.

Okay, not so much surfing material, but it always made sense to me...heck, TAUROS can learn it...
 
While not a specific Pokémon or a specific move, I'd like to see fire type Pokémon capable of learning electric type moves (Or vice versa).

Both are plasma-based energies and most water types have the amazing advantage of learning ice type moves. Not only rendering most grass Pokémon ineffective but making ice types mostly redundant, since you can have a water type do the job instead.
 
Well, there's Magmortar and Electivire, so that's a start.
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Those moves are not counter moves e.g they don't deal more damage to foe after foe hits user with an attack, the are moves that can deal damage if pokemon gets hit or not, that's not what wobuffett is used for.
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Both Counter and Mirror Coat only do damage if they are hit aswell, you realise that right?

And while Counter and Mirror Coat does double the damage, Metal Burst only does 1.5 times the damage. An equal trade-off for the ability to counter on both ends of the spectrum.

Bide is more like a two-turn counter where the moves power depends on how much damage is dealt to it. The damage dealt by bide is equal to double the damage done in those two turns. Furthermore, Wobbuffet is called the Patient Pokemon. Bide is most certainly a fitting move for a Pokemon described as "patient"

I can understand the lack of Metal Burst because it seems like a Steel-only move, but Bide is something Wobbuffet should certainly have. So yeah, Bide and Metal Burst deal more damage if the foe attacks, and all four moves can only do damage if the user was attacked. You kind of killed your own logic with "the are moves that can deal damage if pokemon gets hit or not"

I am guessing that the shape of kingler is why it cant learn waterfall. In anime waterfall is a large spiral of water going upwards. Can you really imagine a kingler going up a big spiral of water? A crawdaunt can do it easily as it walks forward, walking sideways up it would look funny and not be so great.
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Yes, very easily. Its not that hard to imagine walking up in a spiral while being sideways -_-

But really, its a crab. Not really meant to fight waterfalls.
 
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