Muammar Gaddafi finally captured, later dies

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This is coming in from multiple sources including AP, Reuters, The Guardian, and Al-Jazeera, as well as Libyan Government officials. Muammar Gaddafi was captured much like Saddam, in a hole and calling out "Don't Shoot, Don't Shoot". Apparently he was wounded in both legs and Al-Jazeera says he is in critical condition but that is unconfirmed.

The Guardian is providing a real time update feed on events as they unfold here.

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Exit Question: Why are dictators such wimps? They expect their people to go out guns blazing, but the minute they are confronted they run for the nearest hole.
 
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Oh gosh darnnit Lutz what are u doing up so early in the Morning. I was going to post that up. :p I'd have to settle for PC then~

Anyways I hope we don't have another gruesome and old fashioned Hussein-like hanging. :/

As for your question I have another rhetorical one: Why can't they just cut a deal and skitter away to some tropical paradise and stop making it worse for everyone?
 
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I've heard reports that he was captured initially; now there are reports that he is dead. (I've barely been up this morning and I've heard a whole deal of conflicting accounts! morning news.) The account I had initially heard on the news was that of Qaddafi being in a hole when captured.

Netto Azure said:
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Anyways I hope we don't have another gruesome and old fashioned Hussein-like hanging. :/

As for your question I have another rhetorical one: Why can't they just cut a deal and skitter away to some tropical paradise and stop making it worse for everyone?
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What's wrong with a good hanging?

Otherwise, dictators can't really step down, especially if they have records such as Qaddafi (he could have easily been charged for crimes against humanity), as it's their holds on power that keep spineless institutions from pursuing them: they also can't expect everyone to honor a deal they make for refuge, Charles Taylor of Liberia being an example. (They have to remain as residents in one country as such I guess, unable to travel abroad; Ben Ali, deposed President of Tunisia, now resides in Saudi Arabia I think, for example.) As well, Qaddafi has already had warrants issued for his arrest, giving him even less reason to want to step down when such could have been a possibility. (These warrants were probably issued most senselessly, as no one would actually go in and arrest Qaddafi; and these, without the possibility of pardon/immunity, really make holding onto power the most sensible outcome.)

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Oh, and the news channel I'm watching is now saying that Qaddafi has been killed. (On a side note, this confirmation delay is extremely odd... this country should know immediately when a major player in a conflict we're involved in goes down...)
 
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Yep, just saw the article on AlJazeera. Well they went the Osama route it seems. :p

Otherwise, dictators can't really step down, because they can't expect everyone to honor a deal they make for refuge.
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Yeah, we're studying that aspect in World Politics right now lulz.
 
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Netto Azure said:
Yep, just saw the article on AlJazeera. Well they went the Osama route it seems. :p

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Ugh, we targeted Osama with knowledge. (Whether we should have attempted to capture him is another matter...) Qaddafi was captured in a less specialized mission, and his captors/killers didn't, seemingly, have knowledge of his whereabouts before the event.

I also edited my post above--I have so many links and sources [of information not provided in this thread] that such was a difficult set of thoughts to set in order.

EDIT: Oh, and for hippopotamus' sake, we should all streamline how we spell "Qaddafi." I propose we go with "Qaddafi."
 
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Big Lutz said:
Exit Question: Why are dictators such wimps? They expect their people to go out guns blazing, but the minute they are confronted they run for the nearest hole.
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Dictators like Gaddafi are like school-yard bullies. Tough and adversarial when surrounded by a group of friends, but cowards when confronted alone.
 
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Jay0173 said:
Dictators like Gaddafi are like school-yard bullies. Tough and adversarial when surrounded by a group of friends, but cowards when confronted alone.
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Ugh, the narrative is far from settled (Qaddafi seems to have been struck while in a convoy, so the whole "hiding in a hole" thing might not be realistic at all)--regardless, offering pseudo-psychology about the mental makeup of "[D]ictators like [Q]addafi" is rather useless.

It's interesting, anyway, that you'd call Qaddafi a coward, because he certainly has a history regarding various... calculations. I could go into it if you want.
 
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League said:
It's interesting, anyway, that you'd call Qaddafi a coward, because he certainly has a history regarding various... calculations. I could go into it if you want.
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This is my belief: Only a coward strikes first.

It's telling that when this revolution began, Gaddafi was not out front leading his troops. He hid. When the rebels took the capital, he didn't stay to fight. He ran.
 
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Well, the remnant forces will either go berserk or fall apart and surrender with their leader dead.

While he won't stand trial for his crimes, it could be said his death is just for a man as cruel as him, and hopefully this event will be the start of impending peace in Libya.

Also, an obligatory 'About damn time.'
 
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Al Jazeera has acquired exclusive footage of the body of Muammar Gaddafi: Link to stream

I wonder how many pictures of Condi did Gaddafi have in his hideout? :naughty:
 
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Also, David Cameron (UK Prime Minister) has confirmed that Libyan Officials have told him that Gaddafi is dead.

Reports are saying he was captured alive, but died of his injuries.

EDIT: From BBC:

"BREAKING NEWS Libyan Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril has told a news conference Col Gaddafi is dead, it is confirmed."
 
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I'm always skeptical of "breaking news" like Qaddafi being dead, but I think I can believe it if all of these sources are saying the same thing. Qaddafi's dead. The civil war may be far from over, but this is certainly a devastating blow to the loyalists. I'm just hoping that starting this uprising and plunging all of Libya into a civil war for the sake of a new government was worth it in the end.
 
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Evil Figment said:
French air force stopped Gaddafi convoy - minister - Yahoo!

Gaddafi apparently tried to run away again but his convoy was stopped by French airstrikes.

Score one for the cheese-eating surrender monkeys :p
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Gotta hand it to the French, they have been pushing this since day one, and as such they do deserve all of the accolades that go with this victory.

Although to be fair I would have liked to have seen Gaddafi on trial. Unlike say Osama Bin Laden who's crimes are well known to the world. Gaddafi is pretty much seen by the western world as insane but not a real threat. The crimes he committed against the Libyan people deserve to come to light, and with out a trial they more than likely will be swept away into the dust bin of history for the rest of the world.

Netto said:
Oh gosh darnnit Lutz what are u doing up so early in the Morning. I was going to post that up.
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Because I don't sleep, I wait, hunched over, for breaking news, and then like a bat I swoop in!
 
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hmm i think the thread name should be changed because he is dead
now we wont have to worry about finding him anymore
 
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Big Lutz said:
Gotta hand it to the French, they have been pushing this since day one, and as such they do deserve all of the accolades that go with this victory.

Although to be fair I would have liked to have seen Gaddafi on trial. Unlike say Osama Bin Laden who's crimes are well known to the world. Gaddafi is pretty much seen by the western world as insane but not a real threat. The crimes he committed against the Libyan people deserve to come to light, and with out a trial they more than likely will be swept away into the dust bin of history for the rest of the world.
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Well, the International Courts still want Gaddafi's son, so there's always the hope that he'll be captured and put on trial.
 
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From reading around a few sources, it seems that the official Libyan story is that Gaddifi was killed while being taken away from the scene where he was captured, when the ambulance was caught in crossfire between NTC troops and loyalists.

From which we can probably infer that he was executed by his escorts when some loyalists got too close to them, so there could be no risk of them possibly rescuing him like his sons were in Tripoli.
 
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