My first competative team

[Mijzelffan]

which probably means that the team I'm going to show you now sucks, but hre goes (it's OU btw), changes are in bold:

Either MAgmortar or Forretress is going to lead. I'm not sure who yet.
Magmortar @ choice scarf
Modest
4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Flamethrower
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast
-Hp Ice

Magmortar now is my revenge killer.


Forretress @ shed shell
relaxed(?)
252 HP / 144 Def / 112 Sp. Defense
-Spikes
-Rapid spin
-Stealth Rock
-Gyro ball

Mainly for setting up Spikes and to spin. also for Stealth Rock. No explosion, because he needs to stay alive, in case the opponent spins it away (So I can set up again)


Latias @ Leftovers
Timid/Modest (I think Timid is better)
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
-Wish/Calm Mind
-Surf
-Dragon pulse
-Grass knot

For wishing (maybe) and hard-hitting. Especially if a fire type switches into Forrestress.


Rotom-A (not sure which one yet)@ leftovers
Bold (?)
252 HP / 168 Def / 88 Spe (that's what Smogon says, but is it usefull?)
-Thunderbolt
-Will-o-wisp
-Shadow ball
-? (I was thinking about leaf storm or hydro pump against donphan)

My anti spinner. I don't like Dusknoir and spiritomb and rotom-A is pretty bulky (except for hp).


Breloom @ toxic orb
Poison heal
Jolly
44 HP / 212atk / 252spe (again, this is what Smogon says, only I switched attack and speed around)
-Substitute
-Leech seed
-Focus punch
-Spore

He'll be awesome. Every substitute will be healed back at the end of the turn. Awesome.


Porygon2 @ leftovers
Trace
Bold
252 HP / 212 Def / 44 SpA (I'm Smogon's EV Slave T.T)
-Thunderbolt
-Ice beam
-Recover
-Hp ground /toxic (but no toxic I think, since rotom can already burn everyone)

trace intimidates, flash fires(heatran), magnet pull (Magnezone) etc. is nice. HP ground as the ultimate magnezone killer.


that rounds it of. No, I did not use Smogon for all of this, only for Absol, Rotom-A, forretress (sort of). For Ev's and nature's I did use Smogon for almost everything but Breloom though.

If you would like to help me, please say what I should do for all the "?"'s, and "/"'s and if my other choices/Ev's/pokémon are ok.

Thanks in advance

 

[DCM]

I recommend SR or poison spikes over spikes, personally. Two layers of poison spikes can cripple a team, as well as SR can.
Just at a glance, I can see a mild CBScizor weakness

 

[Jimiinthesky]

for a start your not allowed a souldew on latias, it becomes an uber if you do use it, give it life orb instead or maybe leftovers if you want to use it as a wisher.

if i was you i'd use somthing like an pysical infernape instead of absol, you dont have a single fire move and only one fighting move, two of the best attacking types there are, so an infernape with choice band/scarf and close combat/flare blitz/thunderpunch/earthquake would work very nicely.

on rotom use hydro pump, the stat loss on leaf storm is awful :/

breloom neeeeeeeeds spore, give it spore and focus punch for the last two slots

 

[Mijzelffan]

I recommend SR or poison spikes over spikes, personally. Two layers of poison spikes can cripple a team, as well as SR can.
Just at a glance, I can see a mild CBScizor weakness

But then Rotom has nothing to burn anymore, and I like the Idea of every switch that's grounded will get 25% damage, and so will everyone who flies because of SR. And I thought that Latias would do nicely countering something like scizor with surf, but maybe I do need a fire type.

if i was you i'd use somthing like an pysical infernape instead of absol, you dont have a single fire move and only one fighting move, two of the best attacking types there are, so an infernape with choice band/scarf and close combat/flare blitz/thunderpunch/earthquake would work very nicely.

But I really don't like Infernape (And it's really unoriginal), isn't there someone else to do his Job? (I thought Magmortar perhaps?)

breloom neeeeeeeeds spore, give it spore and focus punch for the last two slots

But I guessed Spore wouldn't work if I already burnt everyone with Rotom.

 

[Wiilio]

In my opinion, Scarf Magmortar (in theory) makes a good choice for OU, especially as a lead. The set would be Fire Blast OR Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Ice/Focus Blast. That gives you Fire and Fighting moves.

As far as your status concerns, you should always be prepared for two things in that regard: Rapid Spinners and Clerics. Rapid Spinners will get rid of your Toxic Spikes, and Clerics (Things that use Aromatherapy or Heal Bell) will eliminate status. You have your bases covered with status now Keep it that way.

 

[Mijzelffan]

In my opinion, Scarf Magmortar (in theory) makes a good choice for OU, especially as a lead. The set would be Fire Blast OR Flamethrower/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Ice/Focus Blast. That gives you Fire and Fighting moves.

Ok I know got scarfed Magmortar as a lead. I only do have 1 physical attacker now, so I don't know if Blissey or Regice (although it's uncommon) will pose a threat. Anymore advice about which final move to use on Rotom or about which attacking moves to use on breloom etc.?

 

[DerMißingno]

But I guessed Spore wouldn't work if I already burnt everyone with Rotom.

I don't know much about competitive battling, but can you really expect to burn an entire team with one slightly inaccurate move on one pokemon? If the answer is actually yes, then disregard this.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

hmmmm if you dont like infernape how about a blazekin? actually has better attacking stats than infernape, his speed lets him down, but he's an excelent wall breaker if thats what your looking for

i'm actually going to dissagree with wiil here :O i dont really like scarfed starters, it leaves you vunerable to whatever they switch into, who can then use a stat-boosting move while you switch :/ i think you should perhaps use foretress as a lead instead, and give him explosion, your team isnt very weak to stealth rock, and two of your pokemon levitate, so rapid spinning isnt of the highest priority

sorry about that essay btw ah ha


p.s., missingo's got a good point, plus sleep gives breelom a chance to sub, then focus punch their pokemon to hell (Y)

 

[Mijzelffan]

I don't know much about competitive battling, but can you really expect to burn an entire team with one slightly inaccurate move on one pokemon? If the answer is actually yes, then disregard this.

hmm, maybe you're right. I forgot about the accuracy of wil-o-wisp. I'll put spore and focus punch on breloom then.

hmmmm if you dont like infernape how about a blazekin? actually has better attacking stats than infernape, his speed lets him down, but he's an excelent wall breaker if thats what your looking for

i'm actually going to dissagree with wiil here :O i dont really like scarfed starters, it leaves you vunerable to whatever they switch into, who can then use a stat-boosting move while you switch :/ i think you should perhaps use foretress as a lead instead, and give him explosion, your team isnt very weak to stealth rock, and two of your pokemon levitate, so rapid spinning isnt of the highest priority

I now have magmortar, and he seems better then Blaziken to me. Hmm, maybe you're right about leading magmortar. Forretress back to the front (although some leads carry fire blast, which is going to suck)? I won't let him explode though, since Spikes are really fun, and if they're spinned away, I know my enemy spinner, kill it, and I'll try to se them up again.

Lot's of different opinions though, it stresses me on what to do

 

[Jimiinthesky]

well of course it's mainly personal choice

if it was all just stats and moves everyone would have like salamence, infernape, blissey, all the usuals and it would just get boring, so it's somtimes fun to bring in pokemon that you like not just who are good

well magmortar and blazekin arnt reaaaly comparable because ones special and one's pysical, i only suggested him because you only have one pysical move in your entire team :/

i'd personally use a scarfed pysical sweeper, as at the moment you have magmortar, latias, porygon and rotom all special, a spiker and one sporer/pysical attacker, not really all that ballanced :/

 

[Wiilio]

lol jimiinthesky, you make it sound like disagreeing with me is uncommon

From the battles I've had, most of the leads are going to be taken out by that Magmortar. Aerodactyl by Thunderbolt; Salamence by HP Ice; Forretress, Skarmory, Scizor (Ever seen a Scizor lead? I have D, and Bronzong by Fire Blast), and (Although more uncommon now) Weavile and Lucario by Focus Blast. If they switch in and set up, just switch to something to counter, and if that doesn't work, switch Magmortar in to outspeed them and KO them (Unless they set up with a +Spe or +SpD move :/). However, if you're worrying about something coming in and setting up, why is Forretress any better other than the fact that it explodes? It has no power behind it, so in theory, it's easier to set up on than Magmortar. You are right about Blissey being a problem, so Focus Blast can be switched to Cross Chop and the nature can be switched to Mild. I want to say that it's 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe for that spread, but I'm not sure that's right.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

ah ha well from my experience people disagreeing with you are generally wrong

but just to recap...who won that battle we had?
LOL anyway!

well smogon says that 84 attack with life orb is enough to 2HKO a blissey :/
i think a mixed magmortar would actually work, its base 95 attack is not to be sniffed at, im just not sure about it as a lead :/ if you use any of the first three attacks to ohko somthing, they can switch in a salamence, use dragon dance then fortress is the only one who stands a chance, and will most likely be 2hko'd.

but then like you say, there will be ths same problem with foretress, they could simply set up on you while your using spikes :/

would breloom work as a starter?

oh..just a thought...i think a metagross would make a nice lead here, stealth rock meteor mash bullet punch explosion?

 

[Mijzelffan]

hmm, should I use rash on magmortar instead of mild (with all the eratquakes, stone edges and outrage)? And I thought Porygon would take care of salamence... But else I could give my Forretress Rock slide instead of rapid spin to attack Salamence. (And maybe some attacking Ev's?) And I don't have to put up three layers of spikes, one will already give 12.5% extra damage, wich will give a minimum of 12.5% damage on everyone who switches combined with stealth rock (except bronzong with levitate)

 

[Wiilio]

ah ha well from my experience people disagreeing with you are generally wrong

but just to recap...who won that battle we had?
LOL anyway!

Which one, the first one (where we were both using teams that sucked, and you won that) or the second one (where I was still using a jumbled up team and won)?

No, use Mild for Magmortar. Its Special Defense is higher and it won't survive any of those attacks you mentioned anyway. Now that I think about it, Porygon2 counters some of the biggest threats in the metagame (Salamence, Gyarados, and Heatran) so yeah I wouldn't worry about Salamence THAT much.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

Which one, the first one (where we were both using teams that sucked, and you won that) or the second one (where I was still using a jumbled up team and won)?

tsk..sore loser


anyway, we'll stop using this thread as a conversation ah ha

i still think the lack of pysical attacks in this team is a major flaw, you only have 2 pysical attacks in the entire game, one of which is rapid spin

 

[Mijzelffan]

tsk..sore loser


anyway, we'll stop using this thread as a conversation ah ha

i still think the lack of pysical attacks in this team is a major flaw, you only have 2 pysical attacks in the entire game, one of which is rapid spin

hmmm, ok, but I think most special walls don't want to eat a focus punch breloom gives them (blissey, regice, registeel, bastiodon, umbreon) and I'll just have to try to kill cresselia, milotic, tentacruel and dusknoir with special attacks. And I can always replace rapid spin with something else.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

you may be right not all teams have to be ballenced just right, my only concern is that if you lose your breloom before you take out a special wall, so my only advice would be to leave him till you see a special wall coming, because if you lose him you'll be in a sticky situation :/

 

[Mijzelffan]

ok breloom, porygon2 and rotom seem ok by everyone, so I think I'll start breeding those now. Anymore advice? Like wether I should use leaf storm or hydro pump on rotom?

 

[Jimiinthesky]

hydro pump on rotom it's bulky enough for it not to be a complete disaster if you miss, and leaf storm's special attack drop is alright if your switching the pokemon in and out a lot, such as on a sceptile, but on somthing that you really want to keep in and sweep with, it doesnt really work :/

 

[Mijzelffan]

hmmm, one last question ( I think) should I use Modest or Timid on Latias?