My Harley Has Narcissistic Personality Disorder Theory

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I think Harley, from the anime, has Narcissistic PersonalityDisorder, or NPD for short.

The evidence:

He must have at least five of these symptoms to be considered for the illness, although granted a more in-depth psychological question inquiry (I think that's the phrase) is used to actually determine if someone has a mental/personality disorder, but we can't just walk up to Harley and ask him questions about his life, you know.

1.
Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
He always expects to be revered for his achievements, even if he messes up or just flat out loses, as he often does in battles.


2.
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Well, he is a Pokemon Coordinator, and a pretty determined one at that, so you can't say he's not obsessed with power or beauty. As for love, I have no idea. He does however have a preoccupation with success however. As he said during the Kanto Grand Festival, Japanese Version (the English dub changed the script) "The Grand Festival Cup (or whatever the cup's name is) will be mine!" And let us not forget how he taunts Drew about beating him in battle afterwards.

3. Believes that he or she is “special”and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
He believes he is special; all around beautiful, talented, amazing, superb, etc.He likes to be with talented coordinators, like Drew and Jesse(bella) before Harley decided she
wasn't a good coordinator. He also likes other talented people such as Norman and Nurse Joy.

4. Requires excessive admiration
Well, there was that incident with the cookies (although in my opinion I think Harley thought May really WAS TRYING to insult him, but others might disagree). And let us not forget that we should shower Harley with complements, because he is great and supremely talented, and such.


5. Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Again, if you insult Harley, someone’s gonna get hurt real bad, and it’s gonna be you.

6. Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantageof others to achieve his or her own ends
Those times he lied to May so she would either lose the contest or get disqualified from it entirely. Or when he used Team Rocket to defeat May in a contest and in return he promised he’d help them steal May’s Pokémon [although whether he actually meant that promise or not is up to fan interpretation, one could infer that because he stopped right when the twerps showed up and said that he’d rather have his Pokémon defeat May in battle instead (there’s that over-whelming, undeserved confidence again) that he was just bluffing].

7. Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Depends on the situation. Of course he’d be empathetic to the feelings of both his Pokémon and others’ as well. He’s even shown slight empathy to May, giving her small pep-talks before a battle (“just stay calm and keep the powder dry”), if only to give her a false sense of security or mess with her mind. For the most part however, he’s absolutely apathetic, possibly sadistic, to May. To Drew, he has insulted him at least twice, the third episode he showed up in, and the Grand Festival, and he absolutely loved (he was smiling with a big grin and LAUGHING) when Drew told May that he wasn’t weak
like her and broke May’s feelings. It’s not shown if he reacts this way to all people or just those he picks on.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
He envies that May wins all the time. Does he just blow off a loss and wait for the next contest? NOOOOO!!!! He gets REVENGE!!! I’m not quite sure if he thinks others are envious of him, though it wouldn’t be much of a stretch. ...Wait, I remember he said something like: “Oh, you’re just jealous because I...” I forgot the rest. (It was from the first episode he was in, I think.)

9. Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

It’s time to break out the quotes.

“If you’re gonna be throwing the word adorable around, you better be talking about YOURS TRULY!!”

“So what? It’s a competition, right?”


*bumps into May* “Move!”

“AUUGGGHHHH!!!! Stupid contest must have been RIGGED SOMEHOW!!!”

In addition to this, I read that some people with NPD have some trauma or just a way they were raise that caused their disorder,specifically a parent that either praises them too much, or on the contrary, a parent that constantly puts their child down. It should be noted that not all NPD people have specific trauma, and sometimes it’s passed down from generation to generation (whether it’s genetic or not is unknown). We know absolutely nothing about Harley’s family. However, I would like to propose that it’s not only how your family that treats you, but anyone that’s important in your life.I would like to propose that Harley was bullied when he was younger, with children often calling him bad names. I take this from the line “Lunch time was supposed to be my happy time, a time when the pressures of school, a time when all those obnoxious kiddy-poos would lay off my back, ever so briefly.”, from the part when he flashbacks to the time a girl took his last snack.


I’ve read numerous articles from the internet, and I got the symptoms from this website: Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms | Psych Central
I’ve also read about other disorders, and I ruled out: antisocial (sociopathic) personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, and sadistic personality disorder (because it stopped being in the DSM from DSM III on).

I’ll let others decide for themselves if he has the disorder or not. Feel free to discuss.
 
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I read all of the quotes in Harley's voice. They just need to bring him back because he is the bae rival
 
Yeah I wish they would too. He was bae... whatever bae is...
 
a. Bring Harley back!! How I would love to see him break down those gender stereotyping doors and strut into a Tripokalon. He's one of the best ever characters this show has produced IMO.

b. I'm sure we could diagnose every character in the Pokemon anime with a personality and/or other psychiatric disorder using the latest diagnostic guidelines but I think this would be a bad idea because:
i. We'd be walking into potential taking-the-mickey-out-of-mental-health-issues territory.
ii. People might get the impression that you can diagnose oneself or others without being a qualified psychiatrist, which you can't.
 
Yeah, I know. He was my fav too. I was just expecting there to be some episode where a cross-dressing boy/man enters into the contest and wins it, just to show them the hypocrisy (or whatever the right word is) of what they are doing! (Or at least anyone that's not a girl can get in there.)

b. Some of these guys on the Pokemon show actually were made to have a mental disorder; like N being autistic/having aspergers and I heard someone say Trip (Ash's BW Rival) has Bipolar disoder, which makes total sense. That being said, that doesn't mean everyone has a real disorder. Burgundy was obviously campy and an over-dramatized version of Harley (don't know how they pulled that off), but I'd believe that James was Gay (and I did once when reading too much Pokemopolis), before I'll be convinced otherwise.

2. You technically can, not that that's a REAL replacement for a therapist of cpurse, but say if you're perfectly intelligent adult who's diagnosing his own self and would rather not visit a psychiatrist for some reason, after enough research and contemplation could probably do fine. And I thought I did a pretty good job here. (I wish we could get a real psychiatrist here to get their opinion on this.

I don't know what Mickey Mouse has to do with mental issues...
 
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Yeah, I know. He was my fav too. I was just expecting there to be some episode where a cross-dressing boy/man enters into the contest and wins it, just to show them the hypocrisy (or whatever the right word is) of what they are doing! (Or at least anyone that's not a girl can get in there.)
I would truly love for this to happen, but unfortunately I don't think the pokemon anime is going to develop the amount of introspection required to highlight the hypocrisy of their own invented competition within my lifetime...

Some of these guys on the Pokemon show actually were made to have a mental disorder; like N being autistic/having aspergers and I heard someone say Trip (Ash's BW Rival) has Bipolar disoder, which makes total sense.
What evidence is there for this?

Burgundy was obviously campy and an over-dramatized version of Harley (don't know how they pulled that off), but I'd believe that James was Gay (and I did once when reading too much Pokemopolis), before I'll be convinced otherwise.
What does this have to do with mental illness? Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD) classifications in 1987 and 1990 respectively, so please let's not go back down that road.

You technically can, not that that's a REAL replacement for a therapist of cpurse, but say if you're perfectly intelligent adult who's diagnosing his own self Anne would rather not visit a psychiatrist for some reason, after enough research and contemplation could probably do fine. And I thought I did a pretty good job here. (I wish we could get a real psychiatrist here to get their opinion on this.
Sorry but I totally disagree with you. The difference between Anne and Dr Anne is that Anne only knows her own sphere of experience to base her judgement on and once she has self-diagnosed she might find she needs the advice of a psychiatrist anyway. Dr Anne has years of training and experience, not to mention the insight that comes with not intimately knowing the person she is diagnosing.

I understand where you are coming from with your diagnosis of Harley, but I'd just like to point out that most people who read about the personality disorders would be able to match themselves up with one. Here is a good leaflet about personality disorders. I like this quote:
"As you read through the descriptions of each type, you may well recognise some aspects of your own personality. This doesn't necessarily mean that you have a personality disorder. Some of these characteristics may even be helpful in some areas of your life. If you do have a personality disorder, some of these traits will be spoiling your life - and often the lives of those around you."

And from Patient.co.uk: "To meet the DSM-IV criteria for clinical diagnosis, the pattern must produce clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning. The disorder occurs in all settings, social as well as work, and it is not limited to one sphere of activity."

If anyone is reading this and thinking they may have a personality disorder or other mental illness, please do not try and diagnose and treat yourself but seek professional help from your family doctor or another trusted healthcare professional.

I don't know what Mickey Mouse has to do with mental issues...
FYI "taking the mickey" is a phrase used commonly to mean "make fun of".
 
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What evidence is there for this?

I read it somewhere in TV Tropes, I don't know where. I was just using it as an example.

What does this have to do with mental illness? Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) and International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD) classifications in 1987 and 1990 respectively, so please let's not go back down that road.
I was just using that as an example too. I wasn't even thinking of it like that.... It was just what I could come up with at the moment. I wasn't thinking, very sorry.

Sorry but I totally disagree with you. The difference between Anne and Dr Anne is that Anne only knows her own sphere of experience to base her judgement on and once she has self-diagnosed she might find she needs the advice of a psychiatrist anyway. Dr Anne has years of training and experience, not to mention the insight that comes with not intimately knowing the person she is diagnosing.

I understand where you are coming from with your diagnosis of Harley, but I'd just like to point out that most people who read about the personality disorders would be able to match themselves up with one. Here is a good leaflet about personality disorders. I like this quote:
"As you read through the descriptions of each type, you may well recognise some aspects of your own personality. This doesn't necessarily mean that you have a personality disorder. Some of these characteristics may even be helpful in some areas of your life. If you do have a personality disorder, some of these traits will be spoiling your life - and often the lives of those around you."

And from Patient.co.uk: "To meet the DSM-IV criteria for clinical diagnosis, the pattern must produce clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning. The disorder occurs in all settings, social as well as work, and it is not limited to one sphere of activity."

If anyone is reading this and thinking they may have a personality disorder or other mental illness, please do not try and diagnose and treat yourself but seek professional help from your family doctor or another trusted healthcare professional.

Yes, Yes. I see where you're coming from and certainly people need psychiatrists. But I stand by my opinion that self-diagnosing yourself won't KILL YOU or whatever, as long as that person understands that they may be wrong or so. Besides, what if that the person doesn't want a diagnosis in the first place, then they wouldn't self-diagnose themselves, but they wouldn't get help either.... that has nothing to do with that earlier situation I'm just thinking of different possibilities.

And yes, I know people have traits. But the thing is, Harley's narcissism ACTUALLY DOES affect his life very much and is evident in the show. This is why he has a rivalry in the first place and why he doesn't take criticism well.
 
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I knew Harley was a narcissist from the day he debuted. Psychobabble definitions aside, he was so blatantly self-important and disdainful of others (especially May), and he's done nothing to change that assessment.

As a non-shrink, I don't automatically think in terms of borderline/histrionic/fillintheblank personality disorders. I prefer to think of it this way: Harley's an asshole. End of story.
 
Ergo Harley is narcissistic but doesn't necessarily have narcissistic personality disorder.
 
Well, I say I like Harley.

Anyways, the way I see it is if this Narcissism is really ruining Harley's mind (and then his life) and he fits the symptoms, he has NPD.
 
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Normally, I lambast fan theories for being utter bullshit. This one isn't, and I could probably adopt this into my headcanon. GG no re, m8.
 
Oh wait, Il kanji, I was reading through here and I noticed I said 'Anne' when I meant 'and', and you thought I was talking about a person. Lol, that's funny...
 
I like Harley for one reason above all others: He is a flamboyant gay character who isn't nice. I.e. A "stereotype" who doesn't quite match / breaks the "stereotype". Not all gay men are "luvvie, sweetie, fabulous babes". Some are queenie bitches. Harley is relatable because of his realism.

- And if anyone says he isn't gay because it's not explicitly stated, the implication is enough. Read between the lines. And if that's not enough proof i'll eat my bright pink sequin-studded cowboy hat!!!
 
Just because he's camp it doesn't mean he's gay!

Calling Harley "camp" is like calling Antarctica "chilly." Though I should probably say that being gay isn't what makes him an asshole; it's that he lies to May and actively tries to sabotage her.
 
"Oh, you're Haruka's friend, right?" *smile* Japanese
"Out of my way, ladies. That big boy is a good friend of mine!" *smile* English
In my opinion, he's gay in both versions (or bisexual or pansexual or whatever your preferred term is). It's just that in the English version he's GGGAAAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

it's that he lies to May and actively tries to sabotage her.
Forget it. Even then, I never think about Harley in terms of Christianity or any religion, and instead just think in terms of bad and good. Therefore, Harley is bad because he keeps trying to mentally torture May.

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I actually made a video explaining how Harley has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I held the camera too close to my face and unfortunately I was interrupted during the video, but I did work hard on it.
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It might very well be that Harley has a narcissistic personality disorder, although I would never diagnose anyone based on what is shown about them in a TV show. I think that it is safe to say that he has narcissistic traits. It is important to keep in mind that psychiatric disorders are, in a way, constructed. It is perfectly possible to fulfill the criteria of a personality disorder to some degree, as most personality traits that make up a personality disorder can exist in many people. That is, it is not the case that some people are fully engaged and controlled by grandiose fantasies and others don't have them at all. There is a continuum, and a person falls somewhere on that continuum. Cut-offs that are used in diagnosing personality disorders are therefore always a bit blurry. Basically, you can think of a personality disorder as an extreme variant with regard to certain personality characteristics, where a person has a certain set of personality traits to a such high degree that it leads to some sort of suffering. In other words, it is perfectly possible to have antisocial, narcissistic, histrionic or other traits without fully qualifying for a diagnosis, and they may be more or less pronounced along a continuum. As a consequence, it is quite possible to read DSM and think that you may have a number of diagnoses, or that a friend or family member has a number of different diagnoses, but one of the difficulties in diagnosing a personality disorder is to tell when a person has a certain trait or personality characteristic to a such degree that it fulfils a criterion. Also, in order for something to qualify as part of someone's personality, it should be stable over time and across different situations. It is also important to notice that there are cultural differences in what kinds of behaviour are considered socially acceptable, and therefore when a personality trait may cause impaired social functioning.
He certainly has narcissistic traits. Are these traits extreme enough to fullfill the diagnostic criteria? Maybe. But after all, he is a fantasy character, not a real person. Diagnostic criteria were not created for fantasy characters.
 
1. If you say you can't diagnose a character on a TV show, then you're denying that any writer on TV intended any character on TV to have a disorder, which is simply untrue. I will admit that characters on shows are often exaggerated and because the character is created by the author's perception of that disorder that there may be bias.
2. His "personality" does affect him. Almost every episode, anyways. So I'd say it's stable.
3. I'm pretty sure being a narcissist is not common in Japan (at least not to the extent of thinking you're better than other people by default). So culture probably has nothing to do with it.
 
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1. Humm, you're saying that I am "denying that no writer" on TV intended any character to have a disorder. Is the double negation made on purpose? I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to say here, actually. I'm sorry. If you mean that I state that no writer intends any character to suffer from a disorder, that's not true. That does not follow from what I said. A writer may very well intend to portray a person with a specific diagnosis, but it doesn't follow that it is possible to make a formal diagnosis based on the information given in the TV show. If you mean something else with your first point, please clarify.
2. Everyone is, by definition, affected by one's own personality. That lies in the concept of personality. When it comes to stability, there is stabvility over time and stability in various situations. A personality trait is (at least fairly) stable by definition, or it's not a personality trait. As I said, I think it is fair to say that he has narcissistic traits. But having narcissistic traits is not automatically the same as suffering from narcissistic personality disorder. Besides, I never denied that he might suffer from narcissistic personality disorder, I'm just saying that it is difficult to tell from a couple of anime episodes, where much of the material focuses on his relationship with one person. He might very well have a narcissistic personality disorder, but I wouldn't conclude it based on (actually a few) anime episodes.
3. Culture has a lot to do with manifestations of psychiatric disorders and what levels of a specific traits are considered normal or not. Narcissism is, as you suspect, less common in Japan than in the USA (e.g., see Foster et al. (2003), J Res Pers 37:469-486), but the anime doesn't take place in Japan, nor in the USA. My comment on culture is not specifically about US or Japanese culture, but rather about the general need to take cultural differences into account when discussing what level of certain personality traits that may lead to suffering.
 
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