my new improved team

[Jimiinthesky]

i had some of this team on an old thread which was closed, but after many hours on shoddy i'm affraid i'm slightly stuck as to what to do with my team

if you could offer some help it would be great



aerodactyl
hasty
4 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
focus sash
stealth rock
taunt
earthquake
stone edge

smogon classic lead set. always does me proud, and will ALWAYS get up stealth rock. only real counters are bullet punch metagross/scizor, who i can simply set up steath rock on, then switch in electivire and quake/f punch them. if i come up against a jolteon or zapdos, i switch to electivire after a stealth rock and let him do his thing. this guy isnt really in question.


Gallade
hasty
choice scarf
200 attack, 52 spD, 252 speed
leaf blade
close combat
psycho cut
ice punch


choice scarf sweeper. serves many purposes, get's rid of salamence/dragonite, and is a great wall killer, can KO vaporeon or blissey after stealth rock. not sure about the moveset, but i needed another powerful ice attack, and psycho cut is for machamp. and i'm not sure about the ev spread, just put those few ev's on spD to survive an air slash from togekiss or generally any shadow ball.


gengar
life orb
timid
4 hp, 252 spA, 252 speed
thunderbolt
energy ball
shadow ball
sludge bomb


my special sweeper, can blow huge holes in teams because of it's diversity. energy ball because i need another grass move, and against water types it's great because they switch onto a ground type thinking i'll use thunderbolt, who i then do huge damage to. sludge bomb because it's gengar's most powerful attack and it can KO infernape after stealth rock.



dusknoir
impish
leftovers
252 defence, 200 spD, 56 attack
ice punch
fire punch
will-o-wisp
shadow sneak


a dusknoir without pain split :O it works somtimes though, mainly used to burn pshyical sweepers, and then to do super effective damage. also shadow sneak for gengar/other dusknoirs, and to just finished off weakened pokemon.



togekiss
modest
leftovers
80 hp, 200 defence, 108 spA, 120 spD
aura sphere
thunderwave
air slash
nasty plot


special wall, also used as a sweeper. i know it should have a healing move, but i dont know which move to lose, aura sphere+airslash give it great coverage, nasty plot for sweeps, and it can stay alive long enough to get in 1 or 2 of them, thunderwave for flinches. maybe thinking of replacing it, but i'm not sure what with yet. i'm using his team for the ipgl so i can use legendaries, otherwise i'd use cresselia. any advice here would be very welcome



electivire
expert belt
adamant
4 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
cross chop
fire punch
earthquake
thunderpunch


late match sweeper, also used for when i see a thunderbolt coming. great coverage and with expert belt can do serious damage. not sure about his place in the team though, it used to be a sash/counter weavile but he was very rarely really useful. thinking about switching it with a fast mixed sweeper like salamence?





like i say, i've been trying this team out on shoddy battle for ages, and it's done very well. however i am often completely crushed by a stat boosted sweep, so i think i could maybe use a much stronger wall such as blissey. aerodactyle and dusknoir are the only two that i'm just about certain of, the rest of them are great but could use improving
i'd really apprechiate it if you could help me out a bit thanks

 

[Tina]

Since I just woke up, the only things I can notice at the moment are the natures...

Jolly Gengar? That's +Spd -SpAtk. I don't think you want/meant that. Also, why Hasty on Gallade? While its defense is already kinda crap there's not much point to not choosing a -SpAtk nature...

 

[Jimiinthesky]

sorry, i meant timid on gengar

and the main reason for hasty is that after 20 ralts, that was the first one i caught with a decent nature, perhaps i should take the time to find the right one :/

just one more thing, i've just noticed i have a huge weakness to gyrados after a dragon dance or two, so how about a choice scarf jolteon to counter it

 

[Mijzelffan]

togekiss has a modest nature (=+sp attack -attack)

 

[Jimiinthesky]

thanks changed it

 

[Wolflare]

aerodactyl
Jolly
4 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
focus sash
stealth rock
taunt
earthquake
stone edge

Fine... Just use Jolly>>Hasty since you don't want to hinder Def when you aren't even using any special attacks.

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Gallade
Jolly
choice scarf
200 attack, 52 spD, 252 speed
leaf blade
close combat
psycho cut
ice punch

How does this revenge kill Mence when Mence outspeeds after a DD? Mence still outspeeds even with Adamant (non-boosting nature for Speed). I suggest getting something like Scarf Lucario instead, Gallade is just a tad too slow (base 80). If you keep this, then at least give it Jolly>>Hasty.


gengar
life orb
timid
4 hp, 252 spA, 252 speed
thunderbolt
energy ball
shadow ball
sludge bomb

Your not going to sweep with this, guaranteed. The #1 Pokemon in usage, Scizor, instantly stops this from sweeping. To remedy this, use Hidden Power Fire>>Energy Ball (which gives awful coverage), and Protect>>Sludge Bomb. Then, do Focus Blast>>Thunderbolt as the Ghost + Fighting combo is inresisted. Now, to explain how HP Fire and Protect works, you Protect to see what the Scizor will do, Bullet Punch or Pursuit, if it is using Bullet Punch, you can switch safely, if it is using Pursuit, you can outrun it can use HP Fire to kill it. ;D Although, I just suggest replacing this if you don't like to have HP Fire + Protect, if you don't take these suggestions, then this will die really quick.


dusknoir
impish
leftovers
252 defence, 200 spD, 56 attack
ice punch
fire punch
will-o-wisp
shadow sneak

This just says, "I get 2HKOed by a +1 Waterfall from my friend Gyara." =\ Or, "I can get OHKOed by a +2 Lucario's Crunch." At least do 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def. But, this will not wall anything, stuff like Lucario, Mence, Gyara, and all those sorts just destroy this, and seems now as a wasted slot.


togekiss
modest
leftovers
252 HP / 152 SpA / 104 Spe
aura sphere
Roost
air slash
nasty plot

Use 252 HP / 152 SpA / 104 Spe, it needs some Speed to actually "sweep." I don't like the idea of Nasty Plot Paraflinch strategy. =\ Use Roost>>Thunderwave so it can heal away SR damage and residual damage so it can be a Special Wall.


electivire
expert belt
adamant
4 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
cross chop
fire punch
earthquake
thunderpunch

=[ Don't use this, gets walled by Celebi, Hippowdon, Tangrowth, even Donphan... Even with Ice Punch it fails to 2HKO these. Use it mixed if you are using Vire, or don't use it at all:

Electivire @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Ability: Motor Drive
Nature: Mild
EVs: 36 Atk / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Grass
- Cross Chop

Thunderbolt deals a lot more damage even on his weaker attacking side, thanks to having higher base power. Flamethrower puts a huge dent in Metagross, Celebi, Tangrowth, Scizor, Forretress, etc. Hidden Power Ice is for Mence, Dragonite, Gliscor, but Grass can be for Swampert and Rhyperior. Cross Chop with 36 Atk makes sure you 2HKO max HP / max Def Bold Blissey, and has a chance of 2HKOing standard CurseLax.

Nice overall team, just some things you could consider above.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

really apprechiate that wolfare, very useful indeed
but just one comment, my gengar has been amazing on shoddy, because dusknoir is my scizor remedy, after stealth rock it OHKO's it with fire punch, and noone so far has switched scizor when faced with dusknoir because they thing it has painsplit not firepunch. oh and energy ball is for swampert and the water-ground switch

i see what you mean about vire
i'm now using a jolteon
4hp, 252 spA, 252 speed
choice scarf
timid
not sure about the moves though
thunderbolt is the only one i'm sure about


and i'm just trying out empoleon instead of togekiss, just the basic smogon set
it's going really well actually

 

[Wolflare]

really apprechiate that wolfare, very useful indeed
but just one comment, my gengar has been amazing on shoddy, because dusknoir is my scizor remedy, after stealth rock it OHKO's it with fire punch, and noone so far has switched scizor when faced with dusknoir because they thing it has painsplit not firepunch.

What I meant was, you don't have the ability to 2HKO Scizor, if he Bullet Punches and you stay in, you are dead. If you switch out, while he uses Pursuit, then you lose Gengar immediately. That is why no one really uses Gengar anymore because they have to sacrifice coverage so it can sweep efficiently without having to die instantly against Scizor. =\

oh and energy ball is for swampert and the water-ground switch

But, Shadow Ball already hits him, and other than Swampert and Rhyperior (which no one switches them into Gengar) it gives bad coverage, and otherwise a wasted slot. Swampert is already 2HKOed by Shadow Ball, if you hit it on the switch.

i see what you mean about vire
i'm now using a jolteon
4hp, 252 spA, 252 speed
choice scarf
timid
not sure about the moves though
thunderbolt is the only one i'm sure about

You can keep Vire, just don't use the physical set. ;D


and i'm just trying out empoleon instead of togekiss, just the basic smogon set
it's going really well actually

Okay~

I will do the comments in the quote so it won't be confusing. XD ;D

 

[Jimiinthesky]

i do see what you mean about gengar, if i do come up agaisnt a scizor with pursuit i'm dead, but i have to say, after 50 battles that actually hasnt happened to me on shoddy, maybe i've just been lucky i dunno, but i dont usually bring gengar out till i've defeated a few of they're pokemon :/ but i'll try out what you recomended thanks

and i'm quite partial to energy ball if someone switches in a tyranitar on me, i use energy ball, and they use puruit thinking i'll switch, and pursuit leaves me with about 20% health, and so i can 2KO tyranitar, once i even OHKO'd it, and i switch in ON a swapert/rypherior whos about to earthquake jolteon.

jolteon's doing excelently superb at stopping gyrados sweeps, and pshyical walls

Gallade is definatly in question, i'm going to try out lucario like you said and see how that goes

oh and empoleon is just brilliant i'm definatly using him

 

[Wolflare]

i do see what you mean about gengar, if i do come up agaisnt a scizor with pursuit i'm dead, but i have to say, after 50 battles that actually hasnt happened to me on shoddy, maybe i've just been lucky i dunno, but i dont usually bring gengar out till i've defeated a few of they're pokemon :/ but i'll try out what you recomended thanks

Ohh, so you are using it kind of like a late game sweeper coming in when everything is weakened. Then, just use my suggestions, but use Thunderbolt>>HP Fire, since you can already hit him hard with Focus Blast, but only if he is weakened. Just keep Protect to scout for Bullet Punch.

and i'm quite partial to energy ball if someone switches in a tyranitar on me, i use energy ball, and they use puruit thinking i'll switch, and pursuit leaves me with about 20% health, and so i can 2KO tyranitar, once i even OHKO'd it, and i switch in ON a swapert/rypherior whos about to earthquake jolteon.

Tyranitar gets already OHKOed (not by the heavily defensive one, but that is if he is at full health) by Focus Blast. Focus Blast is a must for Gengar, with AWESOME coverage. You can keep Energy Ball if you want though. So, your moveset should look like this:

- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Energy Ball / Thunderbolt
- Protect

jolteon's doing excelently superb at stopping gyrados sweeps, and pshyical walls

Yeah, just use SpecsJolt, or Charge Beam Jolt, you already have a Scarf user, Gallade/Lucario.

Gallade is definatly in question, i'm going to try out lucario like you said and see how that goes

Use this set:

Lucario @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge

Ice Punch for revenge killing Mence. Stone Edge for Gyara. Crunch + Close Combat for coverage. Remember, this only outspeeds neutral nature (Naughty, not Naive) Mence, but Adamant is very popular, so most use Naughty>>Naive.

oh and empoleon is just brilliant i'm definatly using him

Yeah ^.

 

[Jimiinthesky]

thanks so much wolfare i'm off for many games on shoddy i'll be back later to see how all that goes

if anyone has any more comments i'd apprechiate them