Nebraska Shopping Mall Massacre

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I think it's time you guys changed your laws on wielding guns.

A GUNMAN has opened fire inside a mall filled with Christmas shoppers in the US state of Nebraska, leaving nine people dead.

The gunman left a suicide note that was found at his home by his mother, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to speak.

Local TV station KETV reported that the note said he wanted to "go out in style".

The official identified the gunman as Robert Hawkins, age 19 or 20.

At least eight people were killed and five others wounded when the gunman started shooting before turning the gun on himself, police said.

"We have confirmed nine people that ... died from their injuries,'' Sergeant Teresa Negron said.

The gunman's body was found on the third floor.
Authorities did not believe there was another gunman at large, she said.

Five other people were wounded in the rampage, including two critically, according to hospital spokesmen. One man with a chest wound was in surgery.

Police had few details of the shooting, but witnesses said the gunman shot one man in the head from a third-floor balcony of the Westroads Mall and others were shot at point-blank range.

Police arrived at the mall, which was crowded with shoppers, and encountered victim after victim, though it was not clear when the gunman killed himself, Sgt Negron said.

Sgt Negron said most of the victims were shot inside one department store and that the motive for the rampage was still being investigated.

"There was breaking glass ... it was horrible, just horrible," one woman told KETV, saying she hid under a clothes rack when the shooting started.

Another witness said she heard someone shout, "It's a gunman, run!" and saw bullet casings cascading off the mall balcony.

Witnesses reported hearing as many as two dozen gunshots, and some told local TV they saw people shot in the head.

Jeffrey Peck, manager of a leather goods store, said mall workers ran up to tell him to close up his store.

"I told the customer to go into the back room and, as I was shutting the gate, I heard two gunshots ring out."

Shoppers and store workers were trapped inside the mall, which has about 135 stores, and huddled behind locked doors or inside dressing rooms. Others streamed out of mall exits with their hands raised.

Keith Fidler, a Von Maur employee, said he heard five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more.

Mr Fidler said he huddled in the corner of the men's clothing department with about a dozen other employees until police yelled at them to get out of the store.

Mr Fidler said he did not see the shooting but saw a person lying still by a lift as he was leaving the store.

A woman who answered the phone at an Old Navy store said 20 to 30 customers were huddled with employees in a back storeroom.

"All we know was people were running and screaming down the hallway by Von Maur saying there was a shooting, and then they locked us down,'' said the woman, who said her name was Heidi.

A witness, Shawn Vidlak, said he heard four or five rapid shots "like a nail gun".

At first he thought it was noise from construction work at the mall.

"People started screaming about gunshots,'' Mr Vidlak said.

"I grabbed my wife and kids we got out of there as fast as we could.''

President George W. Bush was in Omaha today for a fundraiser but left about an hour before the shooting.
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http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22879128-2,00.html
 
There's only one way a change will happen. And that's for EVERYONE to carry a gun. It's been tried (and, I believe, succeeded) in certain places. No one wants to get rid of guns. Second Amendment guarantees me the right to kill whoever I want.
 
If not for the guns, the communist muslim terrorists will sweep in here one day and just take us all over! : ( Haven't you seen Red Dawn?!
 
Oh fuck.

I'm too tired to get as angry as I'd usually get.

Get rid of guns, that's all I can say.

I'll go hide now. *groan*
 
I suppose it's kind of ironic that I'm watching a documentary on Gun Violence on the Canadian program, The Fifth Estate

Everybody carrying guns does nothing but increase the violence. Gun violence rates are seven times as high in the United States as they are in Canada (population taken into account). Source? The Fifth Estate (mentioned about 5 minutes ago).
 
Guns aren't the problem, people are.

They feel that they have nothing to live for, so they want to kill themselves. That's fine, but then they feel the need to go out with a bang, so they kill as much as they can before they go. There is something wrong in people's mentality.
 
You could probably kill a lot less people with a sword than with a gun, though.
 
Well if no one had a gun, then it would be much harder to stop you, especially if you are trained in the deadly arts.
 
It's still easier to run away from a melee fighter than someone packing a pistol.
 
Ban handguns. If someone wants to carry a weapon, make them carry a rifle or a shotgun. (They're more effective weapons than handguns anyway.)
 
"L" said:
Well if no one had a gun, then it would be much harder to stop you, especially if you are trained in the deadly arts.
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How many martial artists go apeshit crazy? I'm guessing the number's less than 2 per century. And I doubt many are in high school.
 
On the same token, how easy is it to learn to be an expert in martial arts, compared to shooting a gun?
 
It doesn't take a martial arts expert to kill someone without using a gun. There are plenty of places in the body where a person can be killed through the use of just one finger.


Who are the five permanent members of the UN Security Council?
-USA, UK, France, China, Russia

Who are the five biggest arms traders in the world?
-USA, UK, France, China, Russia

Methinks there is a problem there...


Heres an interesting little link: Charleton Heston's mandate vs. a touch of reality
 
VeronicaIsabel said:
You do realise criminals steal guns.
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But if you get rid of them...then how can they steal them?

EDIT: And that's such an ass argument anyway. There are idiots with bombs. Should we all have bombs "just in case"? "Because the criminals have them"?
 
Carrying guns to deter gun violence? That's like trying to put out a fire with another fire. All it's going to do is accelerate the fire.

The interpretation of the second amendment is ridiculous. Yes people are entitled to protect their home. No, that doesn't give a person the right to carry a gun around and blow the heads off of everyone that annoys them. You want home security? Try a security alarm. I hear they work wonders.
 
Matkin22 said:
Carrying guns to deter gun violence? That's like trying to put out a fire with another fire. All it's going to do is accelerate the fire.
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Technically, there are methods where forest fires are stopped by creating smaller controlled fires and directing them so they hit the large fire. They burn up all the flammable material, and both burn out.

But in this case, I agree that giving everyone a gun isn't the answer. There has to be a way to reach out to potential shooters before things like this happen...
 
Pitch said:
Technically, there are methods where forest fires are stopped by creating smaller controlled fires and directing them so they hit the large fire. They burn up all the flammable material, and both burn out.
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Very true, but I was referring to a situation where people just threw fire onto the main fire, as opposed to the more sensical water or sand. I should have made that clearer...
 
Ahem, guns don't kill people. People kill people.

So, lets get rid of handguns, the tool people use. Most gun deaths occur from handguns. Keep rifles legal to meet the requirements of the 2nd Amendment.

For those who say banning handguns just means people will use knives, killing someone with a knife will be much harder, both in terms of physicality and by being more personal than merely firing a gun.
 
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