New Double Battle Team I'm Making

[Thundagere]

cOK, so I'm currently making a double battle team, just for the heck of it. Normally I prefer to use my sandstorm team (Ttar=awesome) but I decided to try this one. Unfortunately, since Shoddy hasn't yet gotten double battles to my knowledge (next version), I can't test it. So anyhow, here it is.

Kygore--Choice Specs Modest--4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
~ Water Spout
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
My Special Sweeper. I decided against Togekiss, since this guy will automaticcaly bring in Drizzle for Dialga to hit with Thunder, so I can go straight to a Water Spout.


Dialga@Adamant Orb--Quiet

~ Draco Meteor
~ Fire Blast
~ Brick Break
~ Thunder
120 HP / 136 Atk / 252 SpA

Mixed Attacker. Ths guy can use Kyogre's Drizzle to destroy opposing Kyogre's, allowing my Kyogre to go straight to a Water Spout.
Slaking @Choice Band--Adamant

~ Return
~ Earthquake
~ Fire Punch
~ Shadow Claw
118 Atk/272 Spe/120 Defense

My physical sweeper. Slaking pairs with Cresselia, who will Skill Swap off Truant so that Slaking can wreak havoc and listen to the opponent scream.
Cressilia@leftovers--252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe-Leftovers--Bold

~ Reflect
~ Light Screen
~ Lunar Dance
~ Skill Swap
Dual Screener, Cresseia is one of the most valuable pokemon I have. She Skill Swaps with Slaking to remove Truant, then sets up Dual Screens to reduce damage. bring her in late-game and I can use Lunar Dance to bring back Kyogre at full health.
Hopefully, this team is a bit better.

Anyhow, it seems to have worked out pretty well in the few double battles I've managed. I use 4 pokemon only in my matches. This isn't a complete my team thread
Changes in BOLD

 

[sqwat500]

ik ur trying to get smeargal to baton pass substitute and belly drum, but i think u should change one of them to rain dance to increase thunders acuracy

 

[Thundagere]

ik ur trying to get smeargal to baton pass substitute and belly drum, but i think u should change one of them to rain dance to increase thunders acuracy

Not exactly. My initial idea was to use Smeargle to Dark Void, then Sub and Belly Drum. Then I would Dark Void again, since the opponent would probably wake up by then, then baton pass. This way, I'd be covered from a KO with Sub. But I suppose I could change that if I Focus Sashed Smeargle again. Thanks!!!

 

[SharKing]

If you're going to use this outside of PBR, ditch Dark Void. You're forgetting about the Sleep Clause.

Also, I don't see how Shuckle has any hope of actually surviving in the hard-hitting Uber metagame.

 

[Cheesus Is Lord]

The Smeargle strategy is a poor one in doubles. Because they can team up on you, you can be taken out in one turn even if you have a sub up. Smeargle will never pull off that Baton Pass without some ridiculous Dark Void luck. Which won't happen with Sleep Clause.

 

[Thundagere]

If you're going to use this outside of PBR, ditch Dark Void. You're forgetting about the Sleep Clause.

Also, I don't see how Shuckle has any hope of actually surviving in the hard-hitting Uber metagame.

The Smeargle strategy is a poor one in doubles. Because they can team up on you, you can be taken out in one turn even if you have a sub up. Smeargle will never pull off that Baton Pass without some ridiculous Dark Void luck. Which won't happen with Sleep Clause.

Shuckle has insane Defenses, so I think it might be able to take a few hits without fainting.
Alright, so I'm removing Smeargle. Instead, would Jolly Togekiss with Follow Me, Rain Dance, Air Slash, and Thunder Wave work? That way, you use Follow Me to buy Dialga some extra time, then use Rain Dance to give Thunder 100% accuracy. Finish up with Air Slash and Thunder Wave for flinching power in case of a threat.
And also, since Dialga's Thunder is to take out Kyogre, do I really need RainD ance on Togekiss? That's what 'm wondering....

 

[SharKing]

One point to be made: insane defenses mean virtually nothing with that insanely low HP. Especially in Ubers.

 

[Thundagere]

One point to be made: insane defenses mean virtually nothing with that insanely low HP. Especially in Ubers.

Fair enough. I actually initially had in Blissey, should I revert back to that?

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

Stealth Rocks tend to be useless in 2on2, ESPECIALLY when its onlt 4 per player.

Scizor can pick off a few good Ubers, but I don't really know if a Swords Dance Sweep will work properly in 2on2 either, especially with how hard Ubers hit.

If your playing 4 per player, a Cleric may not prove as useful as it could in 6 per player. Have you considered Lunar Dance Cresselia instead? It could bring back Kyogre at full HP, and let it dominate with Water Spout.

 

[Thundagere]

Stealth Rocks tend to be useless in 2on2, ESPECIALLY when its onlt 4 per player.

In that case, I think I'll make it a Mixed Attacker. WIll that work?

Scizor can pick off a few good Ubers, but I don't really know if a Swords Dance Sweep will work properly in 2on2 either, especially with how hard Ubers hit.

Fair point. I'm thinking of taking out Scizor for SLaking then. WIth that, i can Use Skill Swap with Cresselia, then Lunar Dance back to Kyogre late game.

If your playing 4 per player, a Cleric may not prove as useful as it could in 6 per player. Have you considered Lunar Dance Cresselia instead? It could bring back Kyogre at full HP, and let it dominate with Water Spout.

Ok, so move out Blissey for Lunar Dance Cresselia, Dual Screen set. Take out Thunder Wave for Skill Swap though.

Hope this is better. Apologies for all the errors, this is my first double-battle team.

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

In that case, I think I'll make it a Mixed Attacker. Will that work?

Depends on the moveset of course. But I'm bias for mix sets, and love them, so I'll blindly defend it and say yes.

Fair point. I'm thinking of taking out Scizor for SLaking then. WIth that, i can Use Skill Swap with Cresselia, then Lunar Dance back to Kyogre late game.

Er... I remember a rumor, which I could be wrong about, but I'm fairly sure you can't Skill Swap Truant (I think a Slaking with Levitate would be a way broken idea ).

Ok, so move out Blissey for Lunar Dance Cresselia, Dual Screen set. Take out Thunder Wave for Skill Swap though.

Hope this is better. Apologies for all the errors, this is my first double-battle team.

Dual Screen in doubles is GREAT in my opinion. And don't worry about having a rough draft team, ESPECIALLY in your first double battle (Personally, I've never even done doubles, or Ubers ;~. Either way, the whole point of an RMT is for us to give constructive critisism, so there's no need for apologies. C:

 

[Thundagere]

Depends on the moveset of course. But I'm bias for mix sets, and love them, so I'll blindly defend it and say yes.


Er... I remember a rumor, which I could be wrong about, but I'm fairly sure you can't Skill Swap Truant (I think a Slaking with Levitate would be a way broken idea ).



Dual Screen in doubles is GREAT in my opinion. And don't worry about having a rough draft team, ESPECIALLY in your first double battle (Personally, I've never even done doubles, or Ubers ;~. Either way, the whole point of an RMT is for us to give constructive critisism, so there's no need for apologies. C:

THANKS for all your help! I can now edit the first post to hopefully what will be an improvement on the first team. Tell me what you think of the finished one!

 

[Cheesus Is Lord]

Er... I remember a rumor, which I could be wrong about, but I'm fairly sure you can't Skill Swap Truant (I think a Slaking with Levitate would be a way broken idea ).

Nope, you can skill swap Truant. The old standard for Slaking was to have Slowbro swap Oblivious onto it and then boost it with Swagger.

The only abilities that can't be skill swapped are Wonder Guard and Multitype.

 

[F-22]

Are you going by VGC rules? Also, Netbattle Supremacy and Pokemon Online have support for double battles. The latter is frequented by good players iirc. Shoddy is not the only battle simulator out there.

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

Nope, you can skill swap Truant. The old standard for Slaking was to have Slowbro swap Oblivious onto it and then boost it with Swagger.

The only abilities that can't be skill swapped are Wonder Guard and Multitype.

Ah, that's what I was thinking of. My bad yo.

THANKS for all your help! I can now edit the first post to hopefully what will be an improvement on the first team. Tell me what you think of the finished one!

Looks pretty good. My only suggestion would be trying to bring Cresselia out before Slaking then, so that it can set up Dual Screen before it gets Truant, so that it's bulky enough to Swap Truant onto something else.

On the same note, be careful using Earthquake with Slaking after the Swap happens. Remember, Cresselia won't have Levitate anymore.

 

[Thundagere]

Ah, that's what I was thinking of. My bad yo.



Looks pretty good. My only suggestion would be trying to bring Cresselia out before Slaking then, so that it can set up Dual Screen before it gets Truant, so that it's bulky enough to Swap Truant onto something else.

On the same note, be careful using Earthquake with Slaking after the Swap happens. Remember, Cresselia won't have Levitate anymore.

Yeah, I'll bring out Cress first. I'll probably switch her out for whichever Pokemon gets low on health first--in all likelihood, probably Kyogre. Of course, because this is a double battle I'm not sure if earthquake would be useful

On your second comment, this is what I see happening:
Cress comes out when Kyogre has low health. Sets up LS and Reflect.
Dialga faints. Send out Slaking. Slaking uses EQ. Cress uses Skill Swap (Cress is surprisingly slower than Slaking).
Now on the next turn, Slaking will hit it with one EQ regardless of what happens, unless the random number generator gets some incredible luck. In other words, I'd be better off trying to catch an Arceus in a Poke Ball. I'm thinking that it might be better to replace CB with Life Orb. Do you think that would work?

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

Yeah, I'll bring out Cress first. I'll probably switch her out for whichever Pokemon gets low on health first--in all likelihood, probably Kyogre. Of course, because this is a double battle I'm not sure if earthquake would be useful

On your second comment, this is what I see happening:
Cress comes out when Kyogre has low health. Sets up LS and Reflect.
Dialga faints. Send out Slaking. Slaking uses EQ. Cress uses Skill Swap (Cress is surprisingly slower than Slaking).
Now on the next turn, Slaking will hit it with one EQ regardless of what happens, unless the random number generator gets some incredible luck. In other words, I'd be better off trying to catch an Arceus in a Poke Ball. I'm thinking that it might be better to replace CB with Life Orb. Do you think that would work?

Always Band if it's 4 per player. The chance of you really needing to change the move you use is slim. That's my opinion anyway.

Remember though, if you're gonna try Lunar Dance, it doesn't just restore HP, it cures any Status (including being KO'd), restores HP and PP (which is big in Ubers considering that the strong attacks have low PP and so many things have Pressure).

For the record, Slaking is actually pretty fast. Base 100 Speed is literally just 2 Base points lower than Garchomp. Granted, compared to the faster things in Ubers, I guess it is kind of in the middle.

 

[Thundagere]

I understand that, but if I don't use LO, Slaking will be locked into EQ and will take down Cress ad Kyogre very fast.
Unless I don't use EQ....but that might cause a loss.

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

True. Try out Life Orb, see what kind of success it brings you. If you feel like you need more power, go with the Band.

 

[Thundagere]

True. Try out Life Orb, see what kind of success it brings you. If you feel like you need more power, go with the Band.

Excellent. The second the next version of Shoddy comes, I'll be there.