New GTS restrictions fall short of ideal: Hacked Pokémon can still be offered

[BulbaBot]

In the wake of a surge of hacked Pokémon on the Global Trade Station (GTS), Nintendo has apparently tweaked the system to restrict the trade of illegal monsters. However, these restrictions fall short of ideal and may indeed give an advantage to hackers using the network.

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[tjrad815]

I noticed this as well and it made me pretty mad. I traded for a hacked celebi figuring I could then search GTS for a legit one. I traded a Dialga for one on GTS and it was hacked. I then tried to trade a Palkia for a shiny mew and it said that my Palkia couldn't be traded.

 

[Melkor]

Hackers now have a guarantee they will receive legitimate Pokémon in exchange for their bootlegs.

Why would a hacker want a "legitimate" Pokémon if they can hack it anyway?

This all has to do a lot with what a "legitimate" Pokémon is. If it means complying with battle rules and metagame, I see no difference between a hacked one and a wild-captured one. If it means complying with the code itself, then yes, there is still no difference for battle, but it is not "legitimate". Maybe they're checking them is a similar way as pika?

Off course getting rid off all the bad-hacked pseudo-Pokemon means GTS will recover *some* of its usability. And, as you say, this measure should reach offers as well. But I still have to say: if a hacked Pokémon is a well-done one, and it complies with the metagame rules, it has the same value as a 110% legit one. You couldn't still say if it was a legit one or not without the help of certain programs, so, why bother? Why would 98% of the players who doesn't even know what IVs are bother?

Edit: Oh, being able to see capture locations and such would help, but some hackers could *still* make that data appear to be normal.

 

[The Outrage]

Why would a hacker want a "legitimate" Pokémon if they can hack it anyway?


Simple. They find enjoyment in giving away fakes and recieving legitamate Pokemon. I'm sure that if you bought something expensive, and you used counterfeit money, you would feel somewhat proud of your self that your little skeem worked.

Personally, I think that Nintendo should create a bann disallowing hacked Pokemon from being given on the GTS, but they should also keep them from being offered, or else the entire system is flawed.

 

[Æsahættr]

Most people want that, but it is easier said than done. Hackers are able, as Melkor said, to edit a Pokemons data. This means that they can edit the Pokemons internal code making it, for all intents and purposes, a legitimate pokemon. However, the hacker spent about 2 minutes getting this Pokemon while the reciever may have taken quite some time to get the pokemon requested, thereby making the trade unfair.

 

[Argy]

Think of it in terms of economic inflation. If the American market flooded with fake $100 bills that were completely indistinguishable from official $100 bills, more people would begin using $100 bills, and thus, the value of $100, real or not, would go down.

 

[Cferra]

Is this part of the deal? I'm looking at this shiny trapinch female at level 13 on the GTS. Person is asking for a raikou. Which I have. I go to trade and it isn't allowed. This mean the trapinch was hacked? I got a message saying the trade was not allowed. So, wtf. Why can't I get the shiny trapinch? I have a legit raikou. Is trapinch not legit?

Keep in minf, I have a shiny flygon @ lvl 100. I want to ya know RAISE the thing.

LX

 

[GuitarHero]

Well I just read on the Smogon forums a couple minutes ago, that Nintendo is banning legendary pokemon trades over the GTS on DP, as well as the random battle feature on Pokemon: Battle Revolution. Keep in mind I don't know that its official, I just remember reading it on there.

 

[Melkor]

Think of it in terms of economic inflation. If the American market flooded with fake $100 bills that were completely indistinguishable from official $100 bills, more people would begin using $100 bills, and thus, the value of $100, real or not, would go down.

Pokémon are not money. Money is a "perfect fungible" with a value determined by society believing on its value. Inflation happens because too many bills means more people able to demand goods, making producers get their prices up to reach a point of maximum profit.

Pokémon's value is, however, an inner-value, their value is not determined by what society think about them, but for what they are. As Pokemon are not perfect fungible, more legit or quasi-legit offers means more people being able to find the trade they're searching for, as well as being able to find them "cheaper". Once you get rid off all the badly-hacked Pokemon, GTS should work fine.

 

[The Outrage]

According to the article, Nintendo claims that this is a glitch, and judging from what Ledian X has told us about his Raikou, I actually believe them. Then again, they could be trying this out to see how the fandom feels, and is currently blaming it on a glitch incase the response is bad, but I highly doubt it.

The only thing I am worried sbout on the GTS are poorly hacked Pokemon, Pokemon who are properly hacked and completely indestinguishable fine by me.

 

[TheKillingLight]

I'm sure that if you bought something expensive, and you used counterfeit money, you would feel somewhat proud of your self that your little skeem worked.

*scheme

:]

But in all seriousness, I think with the advancing technology and all, in future generations of Pokémon games all the Pokémon which have been hacked or raised to lvl. 100 through use of hacked rare candies should have like...a frowny face next to their name...or a dunce hat or something. That way, the GTS (or whatever it may be in future gens) can tell right away and deny them.

The only thing I am worried sbout on the GTS are poorly hacked Pokemon, Pokemon who are properly hacked and completely indestinguishable fine by me

...what?

 

[Zhen Lin]

Pokémon are not money. Money is a "perfect fungible" with a value determined by society believing on its value. Inflation happens because too many bills means more people able to demand goods, making producers get their prices up to reach a point of maximum profit.

Pokémon's value is, however, an inner-value, their value is not determined by what society think about them, but for what they are. As Pokemon are not perfect fungible, more legit or quasi-legit offers means more people being able to find the trade they're searching for, as well as being able to find them "cheaper". Once you get rid off all the badly-hacked Pokemon, GTS should work fine.

Whaa? The intrinsic value of a good is irrelevant in a free market - only what people are willing (and able) to pay (whether in money or in other goods) matters.

 

[Electrocast]

No. Nononononono. I think if someone wants a certain Pokémon bad enough, they should get it.

I once traded a level 80 Mewtwo to someone for a level 5 Eevee to make that person happy. Who knows, that person may love it. They may hate it. But it'll eventually end up in the hands of someone that will take good care of it.

That karma came back to me in the form of my Shiny Jolteon. I was incredibly lucky to have the Torterra the person on the GTS wanted for it.

 

[Geoffrey]

No. Nononononono. I think if someone wants a certain Pokémon bad enough, they should get it.

If a person wants a Pokémon bad enough, then they should catch their own. Cloning your Mewtwo destroys its value as a legendary.

Anyways, I hope that this "ban" isn't a glitch. It helps protect the value of the legendaries, especially event legendaries.

 

[shining-Celebi]

If a person wants a Pokémon bad enough, then they should catch their own. Cloning your Mewtwo destroys its value as a legendary.

Anyways, I hope that this "ban" isn't a glitch. It helps protect the value of the legendaries, especially event legendaries.

What "Value"? What''s wrong with everyone having events/legendaries?
Is it because you won't have bragging rights anymore?
People who say "oh no it degrades its value!11" come off as selfish and greedy to me.Some people are not fortunate enough to live in big cities where events happen.
As stated in te Nintendo Power issue "Event pokemon are meant to be passed on from owner to owner.Not horded by the original owner."

Has anyone wondered that if everyone cloned,then everyone could get what they wanted,there would be no "scam"(as interpreted by some) deals, everyone would be happy?
I know not everyone has Emerald,but whose fault is that?Theirs.So they shouldn't start bitching at us for something that only they can control.If they don't like it then they should shut up and shove it/deal with it,thats life for ya.

 

[Shuko]

What "Value"? What''s wrong with everyone having events/legendaries?
Is it because you won't have bragging rights anymore?
People who say "oh no it degrades its value!11" come off as selfish and greedy to me.Some people are not fortunate enough to live in big cities where events happen.
As stated in te Nintendo Power issue "Event pokemon are meant to be passed on from owner to owner.Not horded by the original owner."

Has anyone wondered that if everyone cloned,then everyone could get what they wanted,there would be no "scam"(as interpreted by some) deals, everyone would be happy?
I know not everyone has Emerald,but whose fault is that?Theirs.So they shouldn't start bitching at us for something that only they can control.If they don't like it then they should shut up and shove it/deal with it,thats life for ya.

Let me fill you in on something. I don't have access to events. So it should surprise you to know that I too think that cloning and hacking event legendaries (and any pokemon, really) is morally and logically wrong. When an object is desired by people, it has value. You can deny it all you want, but that won't make it any less true.

Event legendaries are meant to be rare. If they weren't, they'd be available in-game. Cloning them is just a way of cheating the system. And that's still cheating. There's nothing wrong with peoples' having standards. The fact that I don't want a cloned Pokemon any more than I want a hacked one doesn't mean I'm insulting the hackers. It's my personal preference. Look at it this way. Say you got a clone of someone's event pokemon. And say that all the rest of your friends got a clone of the same Pokemon. Now you all have the exact same pokemon - same stats, same OT, same everything. It ceases to be rare, and ceases to be special.

It all boils down to what the Pokemon games mean to people. To some people, filling up the Pokedex is all that matters, and the game can't be "beaten" until this happens. So a lot of these people rationalize cheating to themselves by saying that it's Nintendo's (or Game Freak's rather) fault for not catering to them individually. The fact remains that in EVERY Pokemon game since the beginning, Nintendo has held special events for special pokemon. Anyone who hasn't lived under a rock knows when they're buying one of these games that they're not going to get ALL of the pokemon without incredible effort, or cheating. If you buy it knowing that, you have no business complaining about it later. xD To me, YOU'RE the one who sounds selfish. You act like Nintendo should make an exception for you when they've been making their Pokemon games in this way for over ten years now. Gimme a break.

And remember this; if it didn't work for them this way, they wouldn't continue to do it. Complain all you want, but it's not likely to change. So go ahead; cheat if you can make yourself believe that it's okay. But don't you dare offer me one of your cheated pokemon for one of my hard-won, carefully trained ones. That's just disgusting.

 

[Geoffrey]

What "Value"? What''s wrong with everyone having events/legendaries?

Why are legendary Pokemon legendary? Because they are one-of-a-kind. If you make rare legendaries common, they are no longer rare. They have no value.

Is it because you won't have bragging rights anymore?

I personally don't brag about my Mew or Deoxys. Don't assume I do.

People who say "oh no it degrades its value!11" come off as selfish and greedy to me.Some people are not fortunate enough to live in big cities where events happen.

I could say the same for cloners. They are selfish and greedy for not giving up their Pokemon. By the way, I'm one of those unfortunate people that you are talking about, but you don't see me complaining.

As stated in te Nintendo Power issue "Event pokemon are meant to be passed on from owner to owner.Not horded by the original owner."

If you're cloning, you're hoarding the original Pokemon.

Has anyone wondered that if everyone cloned,then everyone could get what they wanted,there would be no "scam"(as interpreted by some) deals, everyone would be happy?

No, they would not be happy. There are a lot of people who despise clones, and I know some of them. Of course it's a scam. You're giving away an illegitimate Pokemon for one that is legitimate, while still having the original.

I know not everyone has Emerald,but whose fault is that?Theirs.So they shouldn't start bitching at us for something that only they can control.If they don't like it then they should shut up and shove it/deal with it,thats life for ya.

See, that's something else too. Where's the fairness? Not everyone can clone, and the people who can are able to dominate the GTS. Does that really seem fair to you?

 

[The Power of Pika]

Why do Australia and New zealand have to be slapped in the face by the countires who got tour Pokemon. Does anyone realise that Australia tour Pokemon don't even exist except for the Jirachi packed in Channel and Ranger with manaphy.

I had to get the Celebi bonus disk for Celebi from japan and spent 200 Australian dolllars on it.

Kind of glad that Australian fans are causing trouble unintentionally. Though the hacking is way too common now. No tour Pokemon lead to kids buying cheat devices in Australia and that lead to cheating for other things. I see them everywhere at the tour events.

A hacker won this year at a tour venue. Australias tour going on now and no tour Pokemon. Just a keyring.

Less cloning more hackers in Australia that's the result I'm seeing right now. It's interesting when kids found out last year that there was no tour Pokemon give away at last years tour, the children decided to have a give away of their own and that was hacked mews and they were spread right across the venue. I have seen hacked Celebi and even hacked Deoxys. My aim is to try and clone the mew and Deoxys I have from a friend who cloned them originally (from the originals that she got from America) and try and reduce the hacking. I mean at least a cloned Mew won't screw up your game. Yeah did I mention that one kid had a badly hacked Mew that couldn't trade last year and even had bad eggs and he was spreading the joy around as you would say with the bad eggs and other hacked Pokemon like Deoxys.>_<
I caught them because they borrowed my link cable and I was keeping an eye on them so they wouldn't run of with it.

2 kids even used a cheat device right in front of the nintendo rep and of course Nintendo Australia's contact with America must be so limited because they were obviously never taught and they couldn't tell the difference. A kid told them it was a thing that made the system more fun last year and they accepted that.
Also unfortuantly told us you Americans are hogging the machines though mind you they told us they'll have tour Pokemon for this year. Wait. the tours on now and wow they broke their promise.>_<

Seriously I'm so pissed with Nintendo Australia that is the why I'm spreading cloned mew's and deoxys and even keeping the clone I had got originally for myself. It's what Nintendo hates and since they have made me angry I will be a rebel and do what they hate. Don't worry I do actually tell people before I give them clones. No one seems to care if they're clones on not where I am as long as they get them. I ask for weak or cloned Pokemon in exchange. I tell them and they're like who cares as long as I get it. I don't argue.

I'm rebelling and I've been bombarding them with letters for 3 years. So yeah that's my reason.

Anti cloning people if you want me to stop cloning then get Nintendo Australia to actually give out Pokemon at their tours instead of a keyring.

EDIT:I found it more upsetting to go to events and find there are no Pokemon to download at any of them. I've been to all of them for the Advance version and the recent DP one in Australia. that key ring is very dissapointing. I was really expecting better.=(

 

[shining-Celebi]

EDIT@in response to Shuko and Geoffrey2004
Theres still one thing I still see stands out.
Why do you assume that cloners trade the "clones" for "non-clones".Really, with people these days there's a higher chance of sending/receiving a clone than send a clone/receive a non-clone.Thats why you ask before starting a trade.
And I wasn't complaining about Nintendo Events distribution at all,sorry for the misconception.All I'm saying is that for the people that are unfortunate of events, why why should we not give events away(like third world countries) even if it means making the events less rare?Without cloning they probably wouldn't be able to get them legitimatelly.

If I had a hack of course I wouldn't offer it for anything;because its wrong.I think its ok if cloners trade with cloners and non with non and so forth.I don't think its right that you assume that all cloners want to do is trade a cloned for a non-cloned without the owner's consent. The reason some people clone in the first place is because they don't want to lose their hard-won pokemon.
In a way cloning is like pokerus.If pokerus didn't spread,how else would you train that special Espeon if Espeon wasn't the one who got infected? Pokerus wouldn't be any fun if only a handful of people had it.

I see now how both sides can be seen as greedy and selfish in some ways,though.

 

[Geoffrey]

EDIT@in response to Shuko and Geoffrey2004
Theres still one thing I still see stands out.
Why do you assume that cloners trade the "clones" for "non-clones".Really, with people these days there's a higher chance of sending/receiving a clone than send a clone/receive a non-clone.Thats why you ask before starting a trade.

There's three problems with this. One, this wouldn't even be a problem if there were NO clones at all! Two, cloners want to trade their clones with legitimate Pokemon usually so that they don't have to go through all the work of getting one themselves. Three, people lie.

And I wasn't complaining about Nintendo Events distribution at all,sorry for the misconception.All I'm saying is that for the people that are unfortunate of events, why why should we not give events away(like third world countries) even if it means making the events less rare?Without cloning they probably wouldn't be able to get them legitimatelly.

I know this sounds very, very cold-hearted, but it's not our problem. By doing this, you are still destroying the value of legendary/event Pokemon. If those people want those event Pokemon, then they should bug Nintendo with a petition or something. That goes for you too The Power of Pika. The end does not justify the means.

If I had a hack of course I wouldn't offer it for anything;because its wrong.I think its ok if cloners trade with cloners and non with non and so forth.I don't think its right that you assume that all cloners want to do is trade a cloned for a non-cloned without the owner's consent.

There's a VERY big problem with this. You have no proof that you are telling the truth. There is no way to tell if the Pokemon really isn't cloned or hacked until after the trade, but by then, it's too late.

The reason some people clone in the first place is because they don't want to lose their hard-won pokemon.

A trade is where you give up something in return of something else, usually something of equal value. But... what are the cloners giving up? Nothing. They have nothing to lose. Therefore, this is not a valid trade.