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Salamence@Life Orb
Rash/Mild nature
EVs:252 SpA, 252 atk, 4 hp
Dragon Claw
Hydro Pump
Fire Blast
Stone Edge

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WHY?

Seriously, justify your choices a little before you start running off at the mouth with single pokemon that don't really do anything the more standard sets don't. What does that cover that Earthquake/Outrage/Draco Meteor/Fire Blast doesn't?
 
Please justify your move choices and EV spread please. What does Crunch offer to Mence that Earthquake was ditched for it (keeping in mind that it doesn't 2HKO Cresselia)? Why is Draco Meteor (and Outrage if you have Platinum) absent from the set despite offering a powerful STAB'd 140 BP (120 BP in Outrage's case) move? Honestly if you're going to throw four moves together and call it a new set, you should at least elaborate on it because we cannot read minds.
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Kittymew said:
WHY?

Seriously, justify your choices a little before you start running off at the mouth with single pokemon that don't really do anything the more standard sets don't. What does that cover that Earthquake/Outrage/Draco Meteor/Fire Blast doesn't?
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better coverage:
dragon claw loses to outrage in power, but it has the benefit of being able to switch moves
draco meteor is redundant with dragon claw
fire/water removes all resistances to dragon
oh, and the "running off at the mouth" comment, this mixmence is actually BETTER. i've beaten virtually everyone with this set
 
Mukubird said:
Please justify your move choices and EV spread please. What does Crunch offer to Mence that Earthquake was ditched for it (keeping in mind that it doesn't 2HKO Cresselia)? Why is Draco Meteor (and Outrage if you have Platinum) absent from the set despite offering a powerful STAB'd 140 BP (120 BP in Outrage's case) move? Honestly if you're going to throw four moves together and call it a new set, you should at least elaborate on it because we cannot read minds.
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It seems like everyone has forgotten the drawback to draco meteor, namely, other special attacks being as weak as a shuckle's constrict (yes i'm exaggerating)
and the drawback to outrage: being trapped in the move, as well as not doable in D/P
As for crunch, believe it or not, both viable alternatives are redundant (brick break, e-quake)
quake's main coverage: steel, rock: beaten by fire blast and hydro-pump, as most of those usually have too much defense and low special defense (t-tar the exception)
Fire: beaten by h-pump
poison: usually levitates or flys
electric is really the only reason for quake
Brick break beats only normal and dark better

Stone edge is really the best option, something i just realized:
beats gyarados and other flyers
 
Yes, your set has a certain unpredictability, but you should really consider using moves with at least 100 accuracy.
 
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There's nothing wrong with creating alternatives
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There is when you don't explain to the rest of the world why it is a vialbe alternative. An example would be this Dusknoir moveset that I half-way tore apart since it wasn't really all that much better.

So really what makes that Salamence so much better than the current one? A combination Draco Meteor and Fire Blast has most physical walls torn down, and with the lack of Brick Break, you sure are going to have trouble with Blissey. It even has the advantage of breaking down Light Screens and Reflects, which is a nuissance to sets that don't power up. Like KittyMew mentioned, Outrage is viable because it does more damage than Brick Break, however it suffers from its inablity to switch out.

Adding Earthquake into the mix lets it get rid of that pesky Heatran problem and hits Empoleon harder (though that's where BB comes in but EQ is better for them), and Crunch lets it get a better chance at Cresselias so something like:

-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Brick Break/Outrage
-Crunch/Roost/Earthquake

has way more coverage than what you have suggested. If you actually put up an arguement, maybe we can get through this faster.

Crankyman had mentioned that your set has a certain unpredictability. I disagree, it sings the oh-so familiar song of Smogon's CB Mence except with Stone Edge over the far superior Earthqake. Yeah, you have versatility, but what are you surprising with that Hydropump? Gliscor and Rhypherior?

It seems like everyone has forgotten the drawback to draco meteor, namely, other special attacks being as weak as a shuckle's constrict (yes i'm exaggerating)
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Yeah because the beauty of this set isn't because it can do a hit-and-run.

So assuming Stone Edge hits, you do 58.38% - 68.65% (Gyarados switching in for Intimidate)barely a 2HKO though I'll give it to you that it does take care of Gyarados. But for what? At the risk of not being able to kill Blissey, Cresselia or Heatran? Those three are so whored out in competitive play that its not even funny (though Gyarados itself is pretty whored out)

Now because your the one pitching the set, why don't you provide us with a list of Overused Pokemon that it can kill with damage calculations and how much your Salamence would take fromt hem switching in, since in competitive play, those are the ones you are trying to have coverage for. With over 400 Pokemon, why prepare for something obscure?
 
Sven:
the reason i post it is to get suggestions as to what would work better, and what changes to make
and yes, i have conisdered quake, but with fire and water, it's a bit redundant, beating really only heatran and empoleon better
as for brick break, it's only real uses are:
weavile, usually OHKO, but they use ice shard, and are beaten by fire blast
Tyranitar: no idea of damage calculation, but would probably hit similarly to hydro pump or quake
blissey: has so little defense that dragon claw will beat it almost all the time, a 30 point difference won't matter
I have noted it's damage against gyarados, but i have been beaten by them so often it's not even funny
only other options for gyara is thunder fang or HP electric
as for cresselia, what do i use? crunch is a bit... pointless
 
I'm no battle genius but as far as Brick Break v.s. EQ on Tyrannitar...I think BB with the 4x damage would probably hit decently harder....
 
Being able to hit Heatran harder > being able to hit Tyranitar harder

Also, still waiting for the explaination of the EV spread as well as damage calcs.
 
The set's horrible as it is... there's not much need to add them.
 
Hydro Pump is weakened by Sand Stream, if you forgot that. T-Tar gets a 1.5 Special Defense boost in Sandstorms.
 
Mukubird said:
Also, still waiting for the explaination of the EV spread as well as damage calcs.
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Smogon EVs with less speed but more attack. Also wondering what that extra 4 points in attack is actually going to do for it.

Being able to hit Heatran harder > being able to hit Tyranitar harder
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Not to mention that the old set with brick Break actually hits Tyranitar harder along with Heatran and Blissey, and you can still afford Roost to heal yourself or Crunch if you want that extra power in killing Cresselia after it switches in on Draco Meteor or something.

Also even without Ice Shard, Weavile is always faster, hence why people go for Draco Meteor as their only dragon move and opt for Brick Break instead of Outrage eventhough it actually does more to Blissey (that and it hits Tyranitar harder). Sure Weavile can't really switch in especially if there is spikes/stealth rock/sand on the field, but one can always just let you have a kill and get go for the revenge tactics that Weavile is famous for.
 
Okay, so i'll replace stone edge with brick break then
it does the most against tyranitar and weavile, who do give me trouble
but gyarados gives me much more trouble, so what should i do about that now? keep in mind, i really want hydro pump and fire blast
should i (i cant believe thiis idea) replace dragon claw with another, non-STAB move?
i know it's ridiculous
and by the way, those evs could be switched to 252 atk and 4 speed, slower, but guarantees ohko on t-tar with brick break
plus 65% OHKO on gyara
 
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It's already been explained. I don't need to explain it anymore. Just read previous posts.
 
Oh god that set is so fail.
It covers nothing new, it's slow as balls, and is just downright terrible.
 
Please, if you think its so fail, give an explanation so we can atleast be a step above Sppf's RMT in terms of useful:crap post ratio.

And if the fail has been explained, then guess what, someone has probably already said that it sucks aswell so WHY POST IT AGAIN

Too lazy to repeat the explanations but not to lazy to say it sucks? Good job.
 
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