No Pokemon Z?

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Pokemon Sun and Moon is announced with no trace of Pokemon Z. None of the generations have ended without a third version. Some pokemon like eternal flower floette and the zygarde forms haven't been showcased in the games yet.

So does that mean these pokemon are not going to be released for the games.

Or, is Pokemon Z being delayed for a while.

Or, are these going to form a part of the upcoming games?
 
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It seems like they decided to skip over Zygarde and it's forms along with Eternal Floette. I am not happy about it but they may be post game for Sun and Moon. Once again, a generation has ended with only four games. Maybe it is because we can get all non-event pokemon between XY and ORAS which is the reason for a new gen.
 
Gen V ended without a third version. You can argye that they were the third version, but that's only in theory regarding Kyurem and have a totally different story, and greatly expand Unova further than any third version expanded their region.

As for Z, I'm glad GF stepped over it and onto something bigger and better. I have nothing against Zygarde, but its story can easily be implemented into another game as a side/post game story.

It's funny how fans complain that third versions are cheap and feel recycled, but then complain when they don't happen.
 
All I wanted was Z. I didn't get it. The hype is gone: now I'm just confused and angry. Those who know how badly I reacted in the anime forums to Serena's design change should know this may be even worse. I'm actually considering leaving the franchise. With what I know so far, Generation VII is not worth it and it's the first time I don't want a main version. I also couldn't care less about the Generation I rereleases. I don't want to go back and right now, I don't know if I want to go forward. Unless Sun and Moon give me a good reason to stay, it might be over. They came too soon and GameFreak didn't resolve anything with Kalos.

I don't care if anyone agrees with me and I don't want opinions or criticism. I just want to know what I can do to stop being so upset.
 
Between the 20th Anniversary and Yokai Watch 3, I imagine that GF and Ninty wanted/needed something more than a rehash, so this doesn't surprise me.

For all we know, a 3rd version or sequels games may have originally been on the table, then someone in charge went "This won't be enough".

Though take heart, people who wanted it. Maybe they'll release DLC stories or events for unreleased Gen 6 stuff like with Delta Episode :)
 
I apologize if this sounds mean but.... you don't always get what you want. GameFreak does not exist to cater to people just because of "third versions". They are a company and making money is their goal, so if Moon and Sun are Gen 7 then... that's what they are. You'll have to deal with that. Hell maybe there is a Zygarde post-game afterwards, there is still a lot we don't know. Just give it sometime.
 
I wholeheartedly welcome the decision to discard 3rd Editions, but I sympathize with everyone who wanted more out of Kalos. We have a whole mythology for Zygarde now that might never be explored in its native Region (among other things, like a half-baked storyline, unanswered questions, botched compatibility with ORAS, etc.), and that leaves the games and the Generation feeling somewhat incomplete.

It's worse when you consider that DLC episodes and patching were at the very least a possibility on this Generation's hardware.

I would've wanted to see it all done right from the start if there were never plans for a follow-up game or post-launch support/extensions.
 
Joshawott said:
For all we know, Zygarde could have something to do with Sun/Moon. Perhaps the new Generation will be a sort of Gold/Silver to X/Y?
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Ooo, I really like this idea! Kalos was very lackluster to me, especially with the lack of tutors. Adding another region to it could shake it up and from what I've seen of the new game they could meld together well.
 
Maybe we'll find out that Gen VI is one Giant AU and that Kalos is really what Kanto/Johto would have been w/o the war that Lt Surge was in. It is already implied that ORAS is an AU from Ruby/Saphire.

Or perhaps we'll wake up and find out it was just a bad dream. Wait, can I make jokes about Dallas here? Will anyone get them?
 
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I wholeheartedly welcome the decision to discard 3rd Editions, but I sympathize with everyone who wanted more out of Kalos. We have a whole mythology for Zygarde now that might never be explored in its native Region (among other things, like a half-baked storyline, unanswered questions, botched compatibility with ORAS, etc.), and that leaves the games and the Generation feeling somewhat incomplete.
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I understand being disappointed, but there are some who really need to get a grip. It's not the bloody Watergate scandal! It's just them moving beyond an outdated and repetitive convention. Yes, how horrible of Game Freak it is to skip over a rehash of two-year-old games and take an actual step forward, for a franchise that is frequently criticized for its rigid formulaism.

The Z marketing was all painfully obvious and preemptive. I would have been utterly shocked if it had not turned out to have been a big red herring.
 
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I was hoping that we actually would still get Z, but now my hopes are gone. I'm still happy with the new games though. I'd like to see a trailer for it.
 
I can understand the disappointing some people are feeling, especially if they were looking forward to an updated Kalos. I had plans of other sixth generation Pokemon that I wanted to try out, which will probably go out the window once we get more new Pokemon, and there were plenty of details I wanted them to cover in an updated Kalos game too.

Even so, what we're getting is most likely better than what a third version could provide. We have brand new Pokemon, we have a new region to explore and new characters to meet. Plus, I don't think that the necessarily means that we won't get anything from Kalos. I could easily see them incorporating at least Zygarde into some side quest at the end of the game. Returning to Kalos if they wanted to make it similar to the second generation is also a possibility. Maybe Malva can be the leader of a new evil team since not exploring more of her character and motivation was one of the biggest wasted opportunities in X/Y. I can understand the disappointment, but I think that brushing off the seventh generation just because it came earlier than most expected is a bit much.

I'm also kind of glad that we didn't get a Z game in a way. I've been so annoyed with people assuming that we'd get a Z game ever since X/Y were announced, or whenever people saw Zygarde. Remember when people assumed that we'd get Pokemon Gray because of Black and White? It just really bothered me that people were assuming what was coming up next even though that didn't work out in the last generation. Admittedly, it is a more reasonable assumption once the Zygarde forms were revealed and the anime changed its title to XY&Z for the current arc, but it was still an assumption.
 
I guess I was just upset about Zygarde not getting its due. I don't know what's going to happen, but I don't think leaving the franchise is really the best option. I can definitely stay for Sun and Moon, but I wish I knew more about them. I'm not very patient and I hope news comes very soon.
 
While I have enjoyed some of the traditional third version games, like Crystal and Platinum, I would be totally fine if this development, as well as getting B2/W2 in the fifth generation, means that we don't have traditional third version games in the future. I think that would actually be a good thing for the video games and their overall quality. This would mean that they should handle things with the first pair of games as best as they can without just waiting on a third version to expand the region and characters. Or we get sequels or have a new generation to tie up some loose ends.

B2/W2 basically took the place of a traditional third version game for that generation and they were able to do more than a Gray version could have done. They weren't perfect, but they were a good step forward, tried something different with being a more direct sequel and it generally worked for the most part. B2/W2 offered more than one Grey version could have, much like how S/M offer more than what Z could have provided. If we get different kind of continuations for each generation instead of just using a traditional third version to fix some of the flaws from the first two games, then I think that helps to keep the games fresh and interesting, especially when what game comes out next isn't as predictable as it was when we only had third versions.
 
Silktree said:
People should be complaining about the lack of DLC rather than a third version. The latter would have just delayed the actual next step in the franchise, which we're thankfully getting this year.
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What does that have to do with the DLCs? They said from the beginning that they won't do that.

And yeah, some people want am definite version more than something, which could end into the same thing like X/Y did as an ucomplete and not as good as other game like every first gens pair. Afterwards, the most will complain why Sun&Moon are lackluster and bad and then we another generation lost with 3 years to wait without an definite version.
 
NinjutsuSen said:
What does that have to do with the DLCs? They said from the beginning that they won't do that.
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Masuda also considerably downplayed Z as a possibility, but most fans were still grasping at straws for over a year. I'm saying that if anything, they should have used DLC to expand Kalos. Anything else would have been a waste of time.

Afterwards, the most complain why Sun&Moon are lackluster and bad and then we another generation lost with 3 years to wait without an definite version.
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BW were fairly complete without B2W2, honestly. The sequels were nice, but they certainly weren't a "definitive version". Let's not assume that Sun and Moon will end up like XY just yet.
 
Silktree said:
BW were fairly complete without B2W2, honestly. The sequels were nice, but they certainly weren't a "definitive version" or even particularly needed. Let's not assume that Sun and Moon will end up like XY just yet.
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And if yes? Then we have 2-3 years to wait for another generation. Another Sun&Moon related game? Not that much more likely after what happened now.

Silktree said:
Masuda also considerably downplayed Z as a possibility, but most fans were still grasping at straws for over a year. I'm saying that if anything, they should have used DLC to expand Kalos. Anything else would have been a waste of time.
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That same happened with Grey, where he downplayed that possibility and the third versions. And we still got something Unova related. Also he more said that Z after XY was predictibel and released OR/AS first. Z as the title is to predictabel, why the most were thinking that Gen 6.5 could be the suprise of this gen.
 
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