Nostalgia Critic and the First Movie (aka the most off-topic thread ever)

He makes some good points, but is overly critical. The lesson about fighting also wasn't directed toward the characters, but the audience. And why are you even reviewing a movie if you know nothing about its backstories or the franchise? You'd have to be pretty stupid to watch the new Star Wars films and then criticize them for not explaining things when you haven't seen the original movies. He also completely missed the whole thing about cloning, but I suppose he did that on purpose to make his review bash the movie as much as possible. He didn't even make any new claims... he acts like it is a revelation that the movie is for kids.

If he had watched later movies, he would have discovered most of his qualms, like not explaining what Pokemon is, was fixed.
 
The review was done from the point of view of someone who isn't a fan of Pokémon and hasn't had prior experience with it.

It's from the point of view of parents or other adults that were dragged to the movie because the kids wanted to see it badly. It was mostly done for humour.

But I suppose it doesn't work well with most Pokémon fans because most are almost completely devoid of humour.
 
I saw that as well. I always do add the caveat that there was no rulebook for translating a wildly popular Anime franchise to Western cultures-because it had never been done.
 
Well, it had been, but not on such a wide scale.

Anyway, if the review is targeted towards clueless parents, shouldn't he at least have asked a kid to outline the series first? What with parents not living in a bubble and all.
 
That...was pretty awful. The guy is obviously trying to do the whole Lewis Black "saying things loudly makes them funnier!" thing, yet he doesn't make the same type of humorous observations that Mr. Black does. I'd take the time to pick out all the problems with the "review," but he's honestly not worth the time.
 
I didn't even bother to finish watching. He clearly doesn't give a shit what it's about, making his review worthless.
 
Admittedly pretty much all of his points were blatantly stupid, but suitable for anyone who's a critic at anything they don't bother to do some background research on.

BUT I laughed so hard at the "fighting is... wrong!" part. I'm so easy to amuse, oh god.
"Stop hitting yourself".
XD
And the emphasis on how they kept going on and on and on about the corny "fighting is bad" scenario was indeed overdone, so I'll give him that much credit (even though it was to build up emotion and stuff, but hey).
However, I disagree that he claims it's hypocritical - buuuut again it's because he doesn't understand the concept.

In general, though, he's reading too much into the movie EVEN THOUGH he also said the movie was for kids. Now that's hypocritical ;D

The only part where he made decent sense was in the last 20 seconds.
 
Blackjack Palazzo said:
I'm not sure why, since we read too much into these films/episodes all the time.
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Didn't say it was wrong, only that it was hypocritical of him when he said it was a kids' movie, which I pret as 'not meant to be thought much about/into'.
 
Eh, I think that falls into the trap that kids entertainment ought to be stupid and of low quality that so many seem to think. And it's that line of thinking that makes it so, since people underestimate what kids will want. What about making things of *higher* quality so that they learn to not settle for schlock?

And on the other hand, most movies made for adults tend to be shallow and bad, but no one associates older-targeted movies with that like they do with younger-associated movies.

It's when people *expect* kiddie movies to be shallow that galls me.
 
I pretty much agree with you.

Personally I think the Pokémon movies are of a decent enough quality, or at least in their original version - the fourth movie particularly comes to mind regarding to almost stupidfying movies for the sake of the children not being able to realize something, in this case that Sammy is Prof. Oak, in the dub.

It's when people *expect* kiddie movies to be shallow that galls me.
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It's kinda 'common knowledge' that kiddie movies = not brainy, like Teletubbies for example.
I personally disagree that Pokémon is a kiddie show, though, but rather an allround targeted show, which leaves food for thought for everyone of all ages.

All in all, it comes down to what shows are defined as kiddie shows, rather than what 'kiddie shows' defines, I think.
 
I thought it was hilarious. Keep in mind, he's sort of like the Angry Video Game Nerd in that he'll bash *everything.*
 
He does make a point at the very end that most of the shows he grew up with (Like TMNT and Care Bears) were just as "shallow" as Pokémon apparently is. The big difference is that they were always driving the simple aseop home rather the Pokémon movie where it had a "deeper" (only slightly) aseop in the original version but was dumbed down for Western audiences.
 
Dogasu said:
Except the Angry Video Game Nerd isn't funny, either.
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AVGN style humor is very hate/love, he's even acknowledged it in one of his "serious" videos. The Nostalgia Critic is the same way.

btw I find both of them hilarious, but I can see why people wouldn't.
 
I can't stand this style of parody where 85% of the time you scream loudly, say "fuck" constantly, and call whatever you're make fun of "just plain stupid/retarded/etc." over and over. It can be funny at times, but usually the gems are hidden between loud, unneccesary outbursts that ruins one's comedic timing. I suppose this style may be better if professionally made, but internet-based videos don't seem to be able to pull it off, as far as I've seen... of course, since I avoid these kinds of videos, I ain't an expert.

There were some bits I liked, though: "What is this, a Dr. Seuss book?", his reactions while the characters are drilling morals in our heads, the sped-up slapping Pikachu footage, and "is it the date it came out or is it the 2000th film?" XD

He's right about the stupidity of the "fighting is bad!" moral and remarking on it for so damn long as well as the ending being a cop-out.

"I was a junior in high school when this show came out, so I was well past the stage of watching children's cartoons." Ha, none of us are.
 
I'm surprised Yahtzee hasn't reviewed a Pokemon game yet. Maybe the new Mystery Dungeon games.

Chatsy said:
Personally I think the Pokémon movies are of a decent enough quality, or at least in their original version - the fourth movie particularly comes to mind regarding to almost stupidfying movies for the sake of the children not being able to realize something, in this case that Sammy is Prof. Oak, in the dub.
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I told you all my story about that, right? I showed a fansub of 4 to some kids and they were very confused about how Oak got Yukinari's notebook, so I told them that Yukinari showed up as an adult elsewhere in the film. One of them asked me if he was the bad guy.

...yeah, that's when I understood why they did what they did. I'm going to guess test audiences were involved. And these weren't stupid kids either.


I'd like to see one of these guys, especially one WITH a history with the series, review movie 9. At least with movie 1 you could blame a lot (not all, the ending's still the same) on the dub, but movie 9 was stupid all the way around.
 
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