"Not a remake of emerald" What will and will not be in ORAS

[Fairy Type Arceus]

This is literally everywhere and people have been using it as an excuse as to why things from emerald won't be in it apparently, even going as far to say that even the trainer upgrades from emerald won't be making it in. AT THE VERY LEAST trainers will have their emerald teams in my opinion it makes no sense for drake to have two flygons or for tate and liza to have just two pokemon.

First of all emerald will never have a remake (unless we find third versions getting remakes at some given point) anything they want to include from emerald will be carried over if they want to. Previous remakes have included elements from the third versions.

For fr/lg the third version was blue in japan all blue did was correct some sprites and fix minor glitches ( still had alot though) so it's hard to tell if fr/lg really included things from blue.

for hg/ss I'd basically call these crystal remakes they included euinsine in the main and post game story, and extended the suicune plot all the way into kanto. The battle tower was replaced with the battle frontier but remained in the same spot. This game did make an effort to make ho-oh and lugia more of a plot centric pokemon but compared to suicune are out shone in their own games. Sure they get a cool cut scene but other then that are completely absent for 95% of the game. Suicune appears on several occasions throughout the main and post game.

Now just because they are ruby and sapphire remakes does not mean emerald can't be used scott like euinsene can be kept and the battle frontier can and hopfully will be included. The teams should also come over or be even more edited as even in emerald some trainers still had two of the same pokemon. Emeralds story line is the only questionable part they may keep the teams version exclusive and leave rayquaza out of it ( ) for favor of keeping kyogre/groudon in the spot light but that doesn't mean rayquaza won't get a post game story involving the remaining team maybe rayquaza is the only one will will be able to stop mega/new form groudon and kyogre. suicune got this same compromise where the finale of his plot was saved for the post game. I do firmly believe steven will be the champion because of his role in heart gold and soul sliver.

and finally you all must be insane if you want emerald to be totally forgotten just because it's not ruby/sapphire because emerald was 10 times better then ruby and sapphire ( in my opinion might just be the rayquaza fan boy in me talking) in conclusion these games can include things from emerald and anything from emerald being used shouldn't be dismissed because "These aren't emerald remakes"

Not to say these games will suck if they follow ruby/sapphire's story to the T I'm sure kyogre/groudon will be just as awesome on their own but why wouldn't you want this in 3d

not to mention the emerald battle frontier is just the best thing ever made

 

[Ivysaur]

I think certain Emerald elements like Scott, the Battle Frontier and the Double Battles against two trainers who both see the PC will return. And I wouldn't be surprised if Rayquaza has a role. NPCs and their rosters will probably be pulled from both. (Can we really see Wattson without Manectric?)

On the other hand, Poochyena will chase Birch, Machoke will be in the living room, and depending on the version, Team Magma or Team Aqua will clearly be at the forefront, as well Groudon and Kyogre respectively. I do expect the lesser team to have an expanded role; and I don't think a Groudon vs. Kyogre battle is out of the question, but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[TerraTF]

Swarms, Raquaza in the climax, and Battle Frontier.

Hopefully we get Wallace as Champion

 

[Fairy Ice Ricky]

For fr/lg the third version was blue in japan all blue did was correct some sprites and fix minor glitches ( still had alot though) so it's hard to tell if fr/lg really included things from blue.

Just a note: Pokémon Japanese Blue included a Cerulean Cave that was way different from the Cerulean Cave design in Pokémon Red/Green, but Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen used the original RG Cerulean Cave design (albeit with Gen III improved graphics). This is the only significant change between RG & B that would have affected FRLG, but it's still a significant change.

I do firmly believe steven will be the champion because of his role in heart gold and soul sliver.

One more note: in B2W2, Juan is the Sootopolis Gym Leader who participates in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament in PWT; Wallace does not participate in this tournament at all. Instead, both Steven and Wallace participate in the Champions Tournament. And considering that Cilan, Chili, Cress, and Lenora all participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament even though they were no longer Gym Leaders by the beginning of the B2W2 story, I think it's telling that Game Freak decided not to put Wallace in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament. (Also note that those four Unova trainers participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament along with Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon.)



Personally I would like to see some Emerald changes in ORAS, but I'm not exactly sure which ones 'cause I don't want ORAS to lose that "feel" of being enhanced remakes of Ruby & Sapphire. Like, should Game Freak bring back the double battle mechanic from Emerald (where two separate trainers could a initiate a double battle with you if they saw you at the same time), and how much would that make ORAS feel less like updated Ruby & Sapphire and more like updated Emerald? Don't know.

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

Just a note: Pokémon Japanese Blue included a Cerulean Cave that was way different from the Cerulean Cave design in Pokémon Red/Green, but Pokémon FireRed/LeafGreen used the original RG Cerulean Cave design (albeit with Gen III improved graphics). This is the only significant change between RG & B that would have affected FRLG, but it's still a significant change.

I do firmly believe steven will be the champion because of his role in heart gold and soul sliver.

One more note: in B2W2, Juan is the Sootopolis Gym Leader who participates in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament in PWT; Wallace does not participate in this tournament at all. Instead, both Steven and Wallace participate in the Champions Tournament. And considering that Cilan, Chili, Cress, and Lenora all participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament even though they were no longer Gym Leaders by the beginning of the B2W2 story, I think it's telling that Game Freak decided not to put Wallace in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament. (Also note that those four Unova trainers participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament along with Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon.)



Personally I would like to see some Emerald changes in ORAS, but I'm not exactly sure which ones 'cause I don't want ORAS to lose that "feel" of being enhanced remakes of Ruby & Sapphire. Like, should Game Freak bring back the double battle mechanic from Emerald (where two separate trainers could a initiate a double battle with you if they saw you at the same time), and how much would that make ORAS feel less like updated Ruby & Sapphire and more like updated Emerald? Don't know.

Iris does not participate in the champions or leaders tournament and alder despite being retired and blue despite now being a gym leader appear in the champions tournament. They could have Wallace and steven be version exclusive champions but it would make more sense to make wallace and jaun version exclusive gym leaders. cerluen cave is a weird one because it doesn't involve the plot at all and didn't it return to the way it was in green for the special pokemon yellow version? And in heart gold i think it's redesigned again but i'm unsure of this

 

[Bolt Strike]

-Scott and the Battle Frontier will probably be in this game.
-Team Magma and Team Aqua will both probably be evil teams in the storyline, although one will probably be more involved in the plot than the other depending on your version.
-I have absolutely no idea how the climax will play out, but it seems to follow RS with Groudon appearing in Seafloor Cavern in Ruby.
-Pokenav will probably have Match Call instead of Trainer's Eyes.
-Not really sure what's going to happen as far as Contest Halls vs. Battle Tents.
-Gym Leaders and Elite 4 rosters will probably either veer closer to RS if the Hoenn Dex is the same or be unique if they expand it. Steven will probably be the Champion and Wallace and Juan will probably be version exclusive gym leaders much in the same way Drayden and Iris were in BW1.
-Any areas added to the game such as Mirage Tower and Desert Underpass will probably stay, but Altering Cave may be retooled into something else.

That just about covers everything I think.

One more note: in B2W2, Juan is the Sootopolis Gym Leader who participates in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament in PWT; Wallace does not participate in this tournament at all. Instead, both Steven and Wallace participate in the Champions Tournament. And considering that Cilan, Chili, Cress, and Lenora all participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament even though they were no longer Gym Leaders by the beginning of the B2W2 story, I think it's telling that Game Freak decided not to put Wallace in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament. (Also note that those four Unova trainers participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament along with Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon.)

They most likely did that to flesh out the Champions Tournament.

 

[Battaman]

Doesn't BW/2 happens after Hoen anyway and thus whom is in what tournament really doesn't matter that much? And as Fairy said, who participate where seems kinda arbitrary when it's non-obvious.

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

-Scott and the Battle Frontier will probably be in this game.
-Team Magma and Team Aqua will both probably be evil teams in the storyline, although one will probably be more involved in the plot than the other depending on your version.
-I have absolutely no idea how the climax will play out, but it seems to follow RS with Groudon appearing in Seafloor Cavern in Ruby.
-Pokenav will probably have Match Call instead of Trainer's Eyes.
-Not really sure what's going to happen as far as Contest Halls vs. Battle Tents.
-Gym Leaders and Elite 4 rosters will probably either veer closer to RS if the Hoenn Dex is the same or be unique if they expand it. Steven will probably be the Champion and Wallace and Juan will probably be version exclusive gym leaders much in the same way Drayden and Iris were in BW1.
-Any areas added to the game such as Mirage Tower and Desert Underpass will probably stay, but Altering Cave may be retooled into something else.

That just about covers everything I think.

One more note: in B2W2, Juan is the Sootopolis Gym Leader who participates in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament in PWT; Wallace does not participate in this tournament at all. Instead, both Steven and Wallace participate in the Champions Tournament. And considering that Cilan, Chili, Cress, and Lenora all participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament even though they were no longer Gym Leaders by the beginning of the B2W2 story, I think it's telling that Game Freak decided not to put Wallace in the Hoenn Leaders Tournament. (Also note that those four Unova trainers participate in the Unova Leaders Tournament along with Cheren, Roxie, and Marlon.)

They most likely did that to flesh out the Champions Tournament.

Groudon may be rising from the seafloor cavern but he rose from the ocean outside of stoopolis in ruby he rises inside the cave of origin. This might just be a small change but i doubt he'd walk his way over to stoopolis somehow fit in the small hole and wait in a cave for you if he gets in stoopolis at all he'll be in the center of town waiting while drought dries up the worlds water. This is of course if this is from an ingame cutscene and not an intro

 

[Bolt Strike]

Groudon may be rising from the seafloor cavern but he rose from the ocean outside of stoopolis in ruby he rises inside the cave of origin. This might just be a small change but i doubt he'd walk his way over to stoopolis somehow fit in the small hole and wait in a cave for you if he gets in stoopolis at all he'll be in the center of town waiting while drought dries up the worlds water. This is of course if this is from an ingame cutscene and not an intro

Not exactly sure what you mean, but he had to have made his way from Seafloor Cavern to Cave of Origin some way or another, so I don't think this is much of an issue.

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

Groudon may be rising from the seafloor cavern but he rose from the ocean outside of stoopolis in ruby he rises inside the cave of origin. This might just be a small change but i doubt he'd walk his way over to stoopolis somehow fit in the small hole and wait in a cave for you if he gets in stoopolis at all he'll be in the center of town waiting while drought dries up the worlds water. This is of course if this is from an ingame cutscene and not an intro

Not exactly sure what you mean, but he had to have made his way from Seafloor Cavern to Cave of Origin some way or another, so I don't think this is much of an issue.

That the area he got out of the cavern from was directly under the cave of origin. theres no other way he could have got in that cave.

 

[SeanWheeler]

In addition to Emerald, it can have a few things from FireRed/LeafGreen such as Sevii Islands.

I think Steven is still champion, Juan is a gym leader and Wallace is in Meteor Falls.

As cool as it may be, the climax with Kyogre fighting Groudon won't happen. You saw how Groudon rise out of the Seafloor Cavern. It's obvious from that clip that the Emerald climax isn't happening.

Many trainers have their Emerald teams.

Match call will return.

You can rematch Gym Leaders in their own gyms.

These games will be remakes of Generation III as a whole.

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

In addition to Emerald, it can have a few things from FireRed/LeafGreen such as Sevii Islands.

I think Steven is still champion, Juan is a gym leader and Wallace is in Meteor Falls.

As cool as it may be, the climax with Kyogre fighting Groudon won't happen. You saw how Groudon rise out of the Seafloor Cavern. It's obvious from that clip that the Emerald climax isn't happening.

Many trainers have their Emerald teams.

Match call will return.

You can rematch Gym Leaders in their own gyms.

These games will be remakes of Generation III as a whole.

No it's not obvious as like I've said before they could be on opiste sides of stoopolis.But even more in my argument if they were coming from from the sea floor cavern they'd be coming up in the cave of origin, here they seem to be coming up outside of stooplis and are about to make their way in.

Or another theory i've made is that the evil team awakens one legendary you awaken the other to fight it on behalf of the team you're helping. rayquaza comes down and can only stop one leaving you to stop the box mascot.

and no they won't be all of gen 3. leave kanto far out of this kantos had more then enough love for 4 generations plus being a main focus of gen 6 so far. I started with fr/lg but i still don't want to see them in these remakes.

 

[Bolt Strike]

That the area he got out of the cavern from was directly under the cave of origin. theres no other way he could have got in that cave.

When was that ever stated? Design wise, it's looks like it's supposed to lead to Rt. 128 (which would be more in line with that cutscene).

 

[Fairy Type Arceus]

That the area he got out of the cavern from was directly under the cave of origin. theres no other way he could have got in that cave.

When was that ever stated? Design wise, it's looks like it's supposed to lead to Rt. 128 (which would be more in line with that cutscene).

You tell me how an 11 foot heavy *** red monster is going to climb his way over stoopolis and squeeze his way into the cave opening which is barely taller and wider then the pc and get into that cave? The location where he wakes up in the sea floor cavern has to be directly under the cave of origin there's no other way. i can see him climbing into stoopolis but into the cave of origin, no. Kyogre could definitely move out of the cave since he can swim. This is further supported by how in emerald kyogre ends up in stootopolis right away but groudon can't be found after being awakened until later after kyogre awakens groudon makes his way to stoopolis afterwards to fight kyogre. he doesn't look submerged in the clip he looks like he was walking in the water, like he was walking towards the city when he sensed kyogres presence.

Also if they're going to be in the cave of origin you'd think that's where we'd see them awaken nothings to say the cave doesn't have a ceiling so we can see drought/drizzle activate

 

[Team Gaara]

Suspecting they'll somehow get Rayquaza to play somewhat of his role in Emerald. Also think they'll give both teams significance, with one obviously being more prevalent depending on the version.

Match Call will most likely be back. Gym Teams from Emerald are possible. Battle Frontier should be guaranteed.

Champion is debatable. Either seems possible. I'm more in favor of Wallace, myself, though, but Steven is probably more likely. I lean towards Wallace because I believe they'll not want to exclude Juan, in which case, Steven retains his Emerald role.

 

[Bolt Strike]

You tell me how an 11 foot heavy *** red monster is going to climb his way over stoopolis and squeeze his way into the cave opening which is barely taller and wider then the pc and get into that cave? The location where he wakes up in the sea floor cavern has to be directly under the cave of origin there's no other way. i can see him climbing into stoopolis but into the cave of origin, no. Kyogre could definitely move out of the cave since he can swim. This is further supported by how in emerald kyogre ends up in stootopolis right away but groudon can't be found after being awakened until later after kyogre awakens groudon makes his way to stoopolis afterwards to fight kyogre. he doesn't look submerged in the clip he looks like he was walking in the water, like he was walking towards the city when he sensed kyogres presence.

Also if they're going to be in the cave of origin you'd think that's where we'd see them awaken nothings to say the cave doesn't have a ceiling so we can see drought/drizzle activate

Groudon has the power to raise the landmass, he probably creates his own stepping stones to get across the sea. As for how he could get into Cave of Origin, that's either a matter of game logic or there's another entrance that the player can't use.

 

[SirOni]

I wouldn't want to see the villain teams play out the same events that they did in RS because some of them were just really dumb for the sake of being parallels. Don't tell me you didn't think that Team Aqua's plan for Mt. Chimney was the dumbest shit you've ever seen in the series. That's definitely one reason why a lot of people like Emerald much more than it's predecessors: it put the teams where they're supposed to be. With that said it would be cool for each version to have some differences rather then just take all from Emerald's plot.

Speaking of dumb shit switching Poochyena for Zigzagoon during the starter selection was pretty dumb.

Groudon has the power to raise the landmass, he probably creates his own stepping stones to get across the sea. As for how he could get into Cave of Origin, that's either a matter of game logic or there's another entrance that the player can't use.

Isn't Groudon in a pool of magma when you see it at Seafloor Cavern and Cave of Origin? Could that mean that both are connected through magma shots and chambers which Groudon could pass through?

 

[SeanWheeler]

Or they can put Wallace in Meteor Falls?

 

[firepanda]

Everyone wants Emerald. It was superior to RS in virtually every aspect. Problem is, they have to differentiate between the two games somehow, so the plot at the very least won't be from emerald.

 

[sonic10158]

I hope it uses the Emerald plot because there were times in R/S that made no sense, like why Magma invaded the Oceanic museum in one of the versions, why Aqua was at Mt. Chimney in one of the versions, etc. I just think they should use the far superior imo plot in the remakes