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Obesity rates idle as most of us are already fat
Have we simply reached a maximum level of tubbiness?

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msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 9:22 a.m. PT, Wed., Jan. 13, 2010

America’s rapid rise in obesity appears to have leveled off, with new government figures showing no significant increase in a decade.

But there's little reason to cheer. More than two-thirds of adults and almost a third of children are overweight, and there are no signs of improvement.

Experts say they’re not sure whether the lull in the battle of the bulge can be attributed to more awareness and better diets — or whether society has simply reached a maximum level of tubbiness.

“Maybe in this environment, this is as overweight as we’ll get,” said Gary Foster, director of the Temple University Center for Obesity Research and Education.

Being thin is the exception
Not only are the vast majority of adults — 68 percent — overweight, 34 percent are obese; and 17 percent of children are obese. Even the youngest Americans are affected — 10 percent of babies and toddlers are precariously heavy.

The most recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data, from the years 2007 to 2008, were contained in two reports published online Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

“The absolute numbers here are staggering,” said Foster. “This isn’t something that should be celebrated.”

The new data are based on health surveys involving height and weight measurements of 5,700 adults and 4,000 children, surveys the CDC does every two years.

“In the most recent decade, we saw a slowing in the increase,” said Cynthia Ogden, the report's author and a CDC researcher who has tracked obesity for years. “It was better news, but it’s still a serious problem.”

In most age groups, black adults had the highest rates of obesity, followed by Mexican-Americans and whites.

Heaviest boys getting heavier
Among children ages 2 to 19, 32 percent were too heavy — a rate that was mostly unchanged. But disturbingly, most obese kids were extremely obese. And the percentage of extremely obese boys ages 6 to 19 has steadily increased, to 15 percent from about 9 percent in 1999-2000.

Ogden said it was disappointing to see no decline, and troubling that the heaviest boys seem to be getting even heavier. The study didn't examine the causes, but Ogden cited the usual reasons — soft drinks, video games and inactivity — as possible explanations.

"We shouldn't be complacent. We still have a problem," Ogden said.

Dr. William Dietz, an obesity expert with the CDC, cautiously called the results promising. "We're at the corner; we haven't turned the corner," he said.

Turning point?
One factor in the plateau may be the barrage of information about the obesity epidemic — and what to do about it, said Foster.

“There’s an increased availability of healthier options than there was five years ago,” he said.

School- and community-based efforts to emphasize fitness and healthy eating may also have had some effect, although Foster acknowledges that there’s no good data to prove the point.

“I think there’s lot of things you could point to, but the truth is, it’s a confluence of factors,” he said.

One of those factors might be the intersection of genetic predisposition to obesity and an environment that encourages weight gain, Foster said.

“This is about what we can expect,” he said. “For it to go down, we’re going to have to greatly change the environment for the better.”

The obesity epidemic is considered a top White House priority. President Barack Obama has pushed to make obesity prevention part of health care reform. Overhaul measures pending in Congress include encouraging employer-based wellness programs and requiring large restaurant chains to list calories. And Michelle Obama has made childhood obesity and healthy eating habits a pet project.

People like Darrell Pender are paying attention.

Obesity "is constantly in the news," said Pender, a 42-year-old New York City computer technician who decided to get serious about fighting fat after being diagnosed with diabetes three years ago.

Pender was tempted by a TV ad for obesity surgery, but chose a less drastic option — a nutrition support group that he credits with helping him make healthier food choices. So far, he's lost 50 pounds over several months. At 350 pounds, he's still very obese, but his diabetes is under control and he feels healthier.

I don't even know where to start with the questions I have about your thoughts on obesity in the U.S. (those outside of the U.S. feel free to comment on your particular region). I could link a hundred articles discussing the U.S.' obesity epidemic. So how about we start small and say...

What are your thoughts on the obesity epidemic? What are ways we can combat it?

*I'll post my thoughts as the thread gets rolling.
 
I'll just throw two:
1)Better education - Start 'em young, teach them about eating healthy or keep bombarding the people with things regarding healthy eating, etc.
2)Pricing standards - Has anyone noticed that healthy foods can be pricier than the unhealthy ones?
 
Not to entangle this with health care, but I think that many of our problems could be solved by having people pay for their own health care (Don't attack my solution, I advocate Health Savings Accounts). You get more of the behavior you incent, and having care paid for by others lessens the impact of lifestyle choices. Suddenly, those extra health concerns mean more when you're directly paying every single penny.

Also, America is one of the only countries in the world with a large amount of poor fat people. They became that way off of government subsidizations - most people couldn't become fat when constrained to a tight food budget otherwise.
 
Also, America is one of the only countries in the world with a large amount of poor fat people. They became that way off of government subsidizations - most people couldn't become fat when constrained to a tight food budget otherwise.

I read an article a while ago that said that you'll find a higher density of fast food restaurants in the poorer communities. The researchers found that those communities had higher obesity rates and suspected the fast food restaurants were part of the problem. $1 value menu anyone?
 
That doesn't sound very American.

That's probably because Kuji is from Puerto Rico, not Texas. In any case, there is no reason why healthy foods should be more expensive than unhealthy foods. You'd think the opposite would be true, given how many chemicals are pumped into them, but... apparently the more stuff you jam into a product, the less expensive it gets.
 
I read an article a while ago that said that you'll find a higher density of fast food restaurants in the poorer communities. The researchers found that those communities had higher obesity rates and suspected the fast food restaurants were part of the problem. $1 value menu anyone?

That's a part of it, but you get more of the behavior you incent, and government subsidies and food stamps incent cheap, fattening foods.

That's probably because Kuji is from Puerto Rico, not Texas. In any case, there is no reason why healthy foods should be more expensive than unhealthy foods. You'd think the opposite would be true, given how many chemicals are pumped into them, but... apparently the more stuff you jam into a product, the less expensive it gets.

They're cheaper to sell because... they're cheaper to buy. There's no evil conspiracy, it's just price-control at work.
 
They're cheaper to sell because... they're cheaper to buy. There's no evil conspiracy, it's just price-control at work.

I never said there was an evil conspiracy; I just said that there was no reason for the price difference to exist.
 
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That's why the price difference exists , and I never accused you of believing in conspiracies.
 
A few things that should be done is to ban aspartame and high fructose corn syrup. And Bring back natural sugar. Coca-cola use to have natural sugar befor they did that Coke 2 ploy, than when they brought back Coco-Cola as Coca-Cola Classic it had high fructose corn syrup instead of natural sugar, thow they stil make the throw back with it.
 
I believe there are two main factors that contribute to the problem.

The first one is lack of education. I don't believe that there is a widespread sharing of information on how to be healthy. When I was in school we didn't talk about it at all. The closest we got to it was either the PE requirement or being able to take a Nutrition class to satisfy a science requirement (iirc) in college. At high school lunches, they'd pull a cart out into the common area and sell Pizza Hut pizzas, soda, chips and salsa and Subway sandwiches. We, as a majority, just don't have a grasp as to what it means to eat healthy or how to control it.

The second is the food industry. No, this isn't some secret conspiracy story. :p The food industry has found ways to make food cheaper and passing the "savings" on to the consumer (again, $1 menu anyone?). They pump food full of stuff to both make them cheaper for processing and faster to consume. They understand how things like salt, fat and sugar, make an extremely cravable combination. They use all of this food engineering to make a buck. It's how they make their profits, I get it. The trick is for the consumer to recognize, and choose, the healthier items available.

America has become a culture of overindulgence, more is better, more bang for your buck, especially when it comes to food consumption. I don't see this being "fixed" by the government (i.e. banning trans fats or Bloomberg's attempt to ban salt). Instead I feel like something seriously big needs to happen before we wake up and realize what we're doing to ourselves.
 
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But neither is it the Government's business to force people to eat healthy through these bans. People need to make their own choices. Like I've said before, enjoy your salad. I'll have a steak.

Banning high fructose corn syrup or aspartame does nothing but kill business. And besides, "high fructose corn syrup" is just sugar with water in it.
 
But neither is it the Government's business to force people to eat healthy through these bans. People need to make their own choices. Like I've said before, enjoy your salad. I'll have a steak.

To you, anything the government does that doesn't fit your ideals is the equivalent of Nineteen Eighty-Four becoming a reality... you'd be perfect for FOX News.

What is so wrong with telling people that they should kinda-probably watch what they eat? No one wants to take your steak away.

Banning high fructose corn syrup or aspartame does nothing but kill business. And besides, "high fructose corn syrup" is just sugar with water in it.

HFCS is very much different. It isn't simply sugar water. There is a reason soda with real sugar tastes more naturally sweet and smooth, while soda with HFCS is much more bitter.

But other than simple taste, our bodies do not process HFCS in the same fashion as sugar; that is what makes it so bad. It can arrest leptin secretion (the stuff that lets you know you are full) and actually leave one more hungry, as it doesn't obstruct ghrelin.
 
To help counter the problem, I do support more healthy-food awareness in education (during health class). However, I do think parent's need to take a stand, seeing how many adults are also obese. Educating parents on how to make smaller, healthy portions (or even buying smaller plates), could help.

And I also support Phoenick's idea of making people pay more of their own health care in various ways. Those without health insurance have been shown to be more health-aware than the average populace.
 
To help counter the problem, I do support more healthy-food awareness in education (during health class). However, I do think parent's need to take a stand, seeing how many adults are also obese. Educating parents on how to make smaller, healthy portions (or even buying smaller plates), could help.

Agreed, though I think it needs to start from the top down as the adults have clearly been on the unhealthy path for decades. Teach the parents first, then teach the kids. Otherwise the kids to get the education about it and then go home where they're being fed unhealthy food anyway. It doesn't help much.
 
To you, anything the government does that doesn't fit your ideals is the equivalent of Nineteen Eighty-Four becoming a reality... you'd be perfect for FOX News.

What is so wrong with telling people that they should kinda-probably watch what they eat? No one wants to take your steak away.

What is right about telling people they can't drink soda, eat hamburgers and munch on potato chips? It isn't the Governments business and isn't constitutional.

HFCS is very much different. It isn't simply sugar water. There is a reason soda with real sugar tastes more naturally sweet and smooth, while soda with HFCS is much more bitter.

Never heard of Soda without HFCS. Nor does it matter.
 
I'm trying to eat healthier myself, I don't feel like having the same health problems my mom did shortly before she died.

Sometimes it's not just the unhealthy foods that can contribute to obesity. There's people who were naturally born to weigh a little more than others, have more fat content in their bodies, ect (hench why everybody has a different body type). And there's also overendulgence... part of the reason why my mom was a little overweight was because while growing up, her mother would constantly try to make her and her sisters eat more than what they could or wanted. She's actually tried that on me and my brother also in the past, but it didn't work.:p I eats like a wittle bird...
 
What is right about telling people they can't drink soda, eat hamburgers and munch on potato chips? It isn't the Governments business and isn't constitutional.

Again. No one wants to ban the hamburger. Or the soda. Or the chip. The day they do, I'll protest right next to you.

Never heard of Soda without HFCS. Nor does it matter.

For years soda was made with real sugar. In the 80s (specifically when New Coke/Coke II was released), soda producers switched to the much-more-harmful HFCS as the dominant choice for their sweetener... to save money. They wouldn't have went under. They would have been fine sticking with real sugar. They jsut wanted more money; at the expense of the peoples' health. Today, some smaller producers (like Jones, for instance) stick with real sugar. Many foreign versions of big-names (like Coca-Cola in Mexico) are made with real sugar, as well. They taste miles-and-away better, and while not good for you, are much better than HFCS soda.
 
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I'm obese (and not ashamed to admit it either, which is pretty redundant. durrr). In fact, I used to be very obese. While I never had any cardiac problems, I'm still carrying too much weight for my height (6'2 and roughly 280). I also admit that the only one to blame is myself. Sure, it's part genes as my father and his close family is pretty big, but there's no way that I'm not able to limit my weight gain.

In Belgium, there used to be a big boom on healthy food and weight loss. Dieting shows were shown on tv all over the place (ironically being replaced by cooking shows). I never felt the need to lose weight though, since it never prevented me from doing anything I wanted to do.

I started on a strict diet I imposed on myself (for instance, an entire ban on soda; I went from roughly 2 gallons a day to absolutely zilch.) Going cold turkey on things you like is difficult, but power through and you can only benefit. I've been "soda clean" for three years now and I don't regret it whatsoever. I've cut back on eating habits and sure enough, within a few weeks I lost about 10cm.

I'm just saying that obesity is more often than not a result of wanting food and drinks rather than needing it, because you build a desire out of boredom or whatnot. Unless your glands aren't working properly.

I'm quite proud that I'm trying to ban obesity out of my life. As long as they don't ban my casual alcohol consumption once a week =P
 
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