old episodes vs new episodes

[poke07]

Many people have been saying that the Pokemon Episodes from season 1 were really great, but now they are just "ok."

If you could ask PUSA to make their episodes more like season 1's, what constructive criticism would you give?

 

[Cybersai]

D/P is shaping up to be one of the best seasons if they keep up the current quality over the next three years, so no.

 

[vice-san]

My favorite is the Johto season. And it 's just me or the animation in DP is very bad in comparison with the first seasons?

 

[Kazamatsuri]

Many people have been saying that the Pokemon Episodes from season 1 were really great, but now they are just "ok."

If you could ask PUSA to make their episodes more like season 1's, what constructive criticism would you give?

Keep in mind that PUSA didn't make the Battle Frontier or Diamond & Pearl episodes, nor did 4Kids make the Pokemon episodes before then. These companies merely adapted them in a different language.

As far as improving the Dub, I would suggest keeping alot more of the original music. At least to the extent it was kept in the 1st three seasons of the Dub (if not all).

Additionally, I would be a bit more conservative when throwing out dialog puns and jokes, including the episode titles.

 

[Dual]

As far as improving the Dub, I would suggest keeping alot more of the original music. At least to the extent it was kept in the 1st three seasons of the Dub (if not all).

I second that. In the episode where Ash gets his coal badge, it would have been alot better if they didn't play that crappy American OP during the battle between Turtwig and Rampardos.

 

[Geoffrey]

I second that. In the episode where Ash gets his coal badge, it would have been alot better if they didn't play that crappy American OP during the battle between Turtwig and Rampardos.

Although it wasn't crappy imo, it wasn't a very fitting song for the situation. But then again, neither was Together, which was also used in the Japanese raw.

 

[Porygon]

While the dubbing is an issue with the quality, in the BIG picture its how the episodes are originally made in Japan. The earliest episodes had the highest quality just from the effort that went into them. It focused more on storytelling rather than incredibly generic plot lines (not that the early ones weren't generic, but they were presented in a much better way.)

We had interesting characters of the day rather than forgettable ones. The episode settings had a lot more variety. I admit I haven't seen much of DP, but if it's not drastically different from Hoenn I think it's safe to say the old episodes are better in many respects.

 

[Auron Sigerthel]

Well, I prefer the old ones. Johto season started to be annoying with senseless episodes where Ash and company get lost in a forest, they find somebody whose Pokémon has some problems and they try helping it.

I love 1st season's episode plots, they are great ^^

 

[mandoiVAGiona]

Old are better now IMO. I really don't find the big thing everybody else is seeing in DP. D:

I loved Kanto and AG. OI was alright. Johto I didn't watch. And DP I find to be boring.

 

[Habunake]

While I don't think the old episodes were by any means horrible, I often think they're somewhat overrated by many.

 

[QuietDragon]

Agreed with Habunake. I love the first season, but come on...

 

[Cybersai]

After doing a marathon re-watch of D/P up to this point, I'm absolutely convinced that this is currently the best season of Pokemon PERIOD. I hope to god things continue this way throughout the current saga because its absolutely amazing.

Kanto may have started it all, and Orange was a nice filler saga, Johto was just...uh... "there" and pretty forgettable, and AG essentially pushed the show into a new direction with a female co-star, better battles, more personality for the groups Pokemon and Contests, but D/P takes everything the writers did in AG and refines it even more.

Part of me thinks that D/P is what the writers really wanted AG to be but couldn't get it quite there yet. And now...somehow they've done it. I can still watch the older sagas and enjoy them mostly, (even though D/P makes Johto look like a trainwreck), but this is Pokemon done well.

 

[Misty]

The first 2 seasons are the best. Call nostalgia if you want, but imo everything about Kanto and Orange is pretty much far and away better than everything that followed. Why? To put it simply, the main characters. Yeah, May was a nice addition, and so was Dawn, but AG and DP are still re-using a good deal of the cast that we've known for years, and both season have done almost nothing with them. Ash is the same he was in Johto; Brock is the same he was... ever, and god knows Team Rocket hasn't changed since mid-Indigo when they were finally deemed comic relief.

Yeah, characters of the day have varied in quality, and you could make a case for DP's being better than Indigo/Orange's, but the main characters are where 90% of the story lies, and they have experienced virtually zero growth since the beginning of Johto. I will grant that DP is a well-done season in most respects, probably topping Master Quest (my original #3 season), but it has failed to do anything noteworthy with the characters who take up most of the screentime.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but there really needs to be a complete overhaul of the show. I know that won't happen because it is dangerous as far as the core demographic goes, but it is probably the only way we will reach Kanto/Orange-level quality again.

 

[Cybersai]

Yeah, May was a nice addition, and so was Dawn, but AG and DP are still re-using a good deal of the cast that we've known for years, and both season have done almost nothing with them. Ash is the same he was in Johto; Brock is the same he was... ever, and god knows Team Rocket hasn't changed since mid-Indigo when they were finally deemed comic relief.

I disagree about Ash. There's a very noticeable change in his character once you make the transition into AG. No longer is Ash the idiot newbie of the group that Misty/Brock mentored or yelled at, he became an experienced trainer and his stronger/evolved Pokemon team in AG reflected that, and he now acts as an almost Brock-like figure to May, Max and Dawn when they're around. I think its interesting that Ash now has younger trainers traveling with him, because it shows how much his character progressed.

Yes, Brock doesn't change, and Team Rocket are mostly the same, but I do think Ash has changed tremendously once we made the transition into Hoenn, and it ain't just the change of clothes.

but the main characters are where 90% of the story lies, and they have experienced virtually zero growth since the beginning of Johto.

That's because you're focusing too much on older characters like TR and Brock.

All the character growth in AG was mostly given to May, and all the character growth in D/P is mostly given to Dawn. It generally seems like most of the character development nowadays is centered around the Contest arcs. I would also wager the rivals have gone through good character development, such as Gary and Drew. Paul has also been developed nicely thus far.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear this, but there really needs to be a complete overhaul of the show. I know that won't happen because it is dangerous as far as the core demographic goes, but it is probably the only way we will reach Kanto/Orange-level quality again.

I agree that the show definitely does need to finally get rid of the Gyms and have Ash do something new for a change, and Contests, while still entertaining, are pushing it by returning for another major saga after we had them during all of AG.

But I think D/P is doing fine as it is for what it is. The real problem will be if this show covers the 5th gen with more Gyms and features a third female coordinator on the show who replaces Dawn. -_-

 

[Hyatt]

After doing a marathon re-watch of D/P up to this point, I'm absolutely convinced that this is currently the best season of Pokemon PERIOD. I hope to god things continue this way throughout the current saga because its absolutely amazing.

It's creepy how I agree with you completely. However, I enjoyed Johto and found many of those episodes unforgettable but I guess each to his own.

DP is surprising us one thing after another. Who knew Ash's rival would have TWO starters! Who knew Gary would return! Who knew Greggle (a POKEMON) would take Max's place with Brock's earpulling! Who know Hikari would catch Buoysel! It's unpredictable! The writers are really good lately! I hope they make this the best series ever. And finally Brock gets an EGG. It took him so long. Kind of since he's a breeder.

The old cliche "The original is the best" doesn't apply to Pokemon and a show that lasts over 10 seasons with the 10th being perhaps the best means that it's a good show. I'm glad Japan sticks to stuff that has potential.
Misty or no Misty, DP is just incredible.

Now if only those stubborn Pokemon fans would realize that unpredictability is good and that Hikari getting a Buoysel and Shinji having two starters is what unpredictability is.

 

[Misty]

I disagree about Ash. There's a very noticeable change in his character once you make the transition into AG. No longer is Ash the idiot newbie of the group that Misty/Brock mentored or yelled at, he became an experienced trainer and his stronger/evolved Pokemon team in AG reflected that, and he now acts as an almost Brock-like figure to May, Max and Dawn when they're around. I think its interesting that Ash now has younger trainers traveling with him, because it shows how much his character progressed.

You know where most of this happened? It happened in Orange, not in AG. Ash's maturing took place at a rather early time, not later.


I will agree that May pretty much was AG, because everything that didn't involve her significantly (particular the contests) was so goddamn boring that I pretty much missed half of Advance Challenge and have no real intent to watch it. May (and Dawn) was a welcome addition of fresh blood to the series - the problem is that we don't get *enough* of that. At the very least, the replacement of Brock would be extremely welcome in my eyes. Of the main group, Team Rocket is probably the only part that I have a specific attachment to, because they do their part well enough that replacing them would probably do more harm than good.

 

[Cybersai]

You should do a rewatch of AG then now that its over. I realize early Hoenn is pretty old now and unless you watched the episodes recently you're going to be forgetting a lot of the awesome episodes we had back then. If you have the episodes on hand, it would be a good idea to refresh your memory as to why that saga was so well-liked. It pretty much addressed all our complaints about Johto, and either removed or did away with them entirely, and aside from the massive flaw of the ending of Team Magma/Aqua and some bad fillers here and there, Hoenn was definitely one of the better seasons of the series. After noticing the strides they made with Ash's Pokemon team and actually surprising us with evolutions and character development again, and the better quality of the battles, and the complete fresh start, it allowed the writers to move the show out of the slump it was in and back on track. I generally like Hoenn + Battle Frontier combined just as much as I do Kanto/Orange, but honestly, D/P is better than BOTH of them.

The newest D/P episode again proves why D/P is shaping up to be the best overall season of the anime. Eventually its going to get to a point where even the nostalgists will be hard pressed to say otherwise. About the only flaw with D/P is probably the lackluster nature of Ash's current team and keeping Brock too long, but other than that its amazing.

 

[Naruchu_believe_it]

I like the new ones better[they support pika-chan...exept for the so called "pikachu has a crush on a female pokemon so pikachu is a male" moments that haver been appearing since may's adventure...which don't make sense alot of the time.].I still like the oldies but alot of the oldies are like fillers[not naruto fillers,I like naruto fillers]...I like the episodes where the series is getting a better look,not the old "Looks like those old anime" looks...More of the naruto look/hi-def look...Even thought I don't care for graphics..I'm not making much sense,am I?*nervisouly scratches head*

 

[Rocketshipper]

Now if only those stubborn Pokemon fans would realize that unpredictability is good

Unpredictability, in and of itself, is neutral, and sometimes can be a bad thing (just look at how some fans reacted to the end of Digimon 02!!) It has to at least make sense. IMO, the Shinji thing was a bad case of unpredictability, but the Buizel thing was cool.

DP is definitly awesome so far, although it still can't beat Orange for me. It will probably end up my 2nd favorite saga...if the gym battle episode gaps and constant breaks don't drive me crazy ^^.

 

[Nariel]

I like all the episodes I've seen from indigo through Battle Frontier, but I don't like the D/P episodes as much. I suppose maybe I will watch them once netflix gets them on disk, but I'm not bothering to watch them on TV. Part of it is just, I don't like dawn very much yet. She's too much of a girly girl for me. Misty was more of a Tomboy, and May... I don't know what May was, but not a girly girl.

Although I haven't seen many episodes, so I guess that probably I should watch them. I mean, I do like that Ash has grown up quite a bit after the indigo... He kinda seemed a bit like comic relief in indigo at times...

Anyway, I like the seasons all equally except for D/P.