Old Pokémon that will benefit

Blue_Cheshire

Blue_Cheshire

Well-Known Member
Grookey Fan
Joined
Jan 10, 2015
Messages
275
Reaction score
374
Hi guys

So I was thinking about this, and it didn't seem obvious to discuss in another topic, which Pokémon from previous generations do you think will really benefit from sun and moon? Maybe through moves, z-moves, new items, changes in moves or whatever. This is of course speculative, because we don't know all the moves and abilities yet, so feel free to shoot for your celestial body of choice!


To better get to what I mean I will post an example here:

We have seen Alolan Exeggutor use a move called "Dragon hammer". Now to me this sounds very much like a physical dragon-type move. Some people were speculating, that it could be a signature move, I for once think, that it will be a move similair to Wood Hammer (you can probably guess how I got to that conclusion ;D), so it would be a dragon-type physical move with 120 BP that does recoil damage. This would be a cool move for most dragon types to have as an alternative to the relatively weak Dragon Claw and the often backfiring Outrage. Now one Pokémon I could see benefiting from this (as I have mentioned in a thread before when we were talking about Dragon Hammer) is Tyrantrum. Tyrantrums only viable Dragon options are the aforementioned Dragon Claw and Outrage, but a strong physical Dragon Move with recoil would really up its moveset, because of its hidden ability Rock Head, which would nullify the drawback.

I am very interested in your ideas!
 
I thought Dragon Hammer might be a version of Hammer Arm but it being a version of Wood Hammer is good too. If old pokemon are benefiting then I have a feeling that it would be gen 1 mostly considering the love gen 1 is getting lately.
 
Arceus the Dragon said:
I thought Dragon Hammer might be a version of Hammer Arm but it being a version of Wood Hammer is good too. If old pokemon are benefiting then I have a feeling that it would be gen 1 mostly considering the love gen 1 is getting lately.
Click to expand...

That is a possibility too. Although I personally think a move with recoil would benefit more Pokémon than a move that lowers their speed would.
 
I'm personally hoping Vespiquen will get Queenly Majesty as a second ability. It wouldn't make it great, but it'd certainly make it better than it is.

I'm also hoping some of the newer abilities can be applied to older Pokémon, whether that means replacing an existing ability slot or adding a new one. Like, Audino should really have access to Triage. ITS A FRICKIN NURSE. I hate that the newer generation always seems to be better than the last simply because a Pokémon was made too early for a really good ability.
 
Hmm. I could see Musharna getting Comatose and Watchog and Patrat getting Stakeout. I could also see the pokemon mentioned by BigBadButterfree getting those abilities.

I also wouldn't be too surprised if more pokemon get Surge Surfer besides just Alola Raichu since GF seems to want to push terrain, and maybe one or 2 more pokemon could get Corrosion? Probably something extremely poisonous. Other abilities I could maybe see getting passed around are Dazzling, Berserk, Water Compaction, Battery, and maybe even limited distribution of the Surge abilities.

The sight also says when Only that pokemon has an ability or move very clearly, while using very vague phrasing like "the only pokemon to learn x move or ability before now" for others, which implies they colud get distributed to other mon (disappointingly this shows Trop Kick isn't even on the table).

Also even though I said before that Z Moves don't encourage using weaker mon that can use them as much as stronger ones that can also use them, I've thought about it just a little bit more and maybe it would be useful for the heavy hitters to just keep doing what they do on a team and a pokemon you have on the team that otherwise isn't that strong could win a battle with a strong Z Move used against an unsuspecting foe if you play them right.

Fur Coat could also be a good ability for Persian and the dark type could make it better offensively, it could also be bulkier since it got bigger (or at least it's face did). Wait does this thread include Alola Forms? Since they are technically older pokemon.
 
Last edited:
Eggseggseggseggs said:
Hmm. I could see Musharna getting Comatose and Watchog and Patrat getting Stakeout. I could also see the pokemon mentioned by BigBadButterfree getting those abilities.

I also wouldn't be too surprised if more pokemon get Surge Surfer besides just Alola Raichu since GF seems to want to push terrain, and maybe one or 2 more pokemon could get Corrosion? Probably something extremely poisonous. Other abilities I could maybe see getting passed around are Dazzling, Berserk, Water Compaction, Battery, and maybe even limited distribution of the Surge abilities.

The sight also says when Only that pokemon has an ability or move very clearly, while using very vague phrasing like "the only pokemon to learn x move or ability before now" for others, which implies they colud get distributed to other mon (disappointingly this shows Trop Kick isn't even on the table).

Also even though I said before that Z Moves don't encourage using weaker mon that can use them as much as stronger ones that can also use them, I've thought about it just a little bit more and maybe it would be useful for the heavy hitters to just keep doing what they do on a team and a pokemon you have on the team that otherwise isn't that strong could win a battle with a strong Z Move used against an unsuspecting foe if you play them right.

Fur Coat could also be a good ability for Persian and the dark type could make it better offensively, it could also be bulkier since it got bigger (or at least it's face did). Wait does this thread include Alola Forms? Since they are technically older pokemon.
Click to expand...

I would really like them giving old Pokémon new abilities/ new HAs. I mean it happened before with Scolipede and Chandelure, so it could happen. Maybe Flygon could finally get a Hidden Ability to improve it, that would at least be somethibg as they don't seem to be able to make a mega for it xD

I could also see new Tutors being added and those buffing some old Pokémon. For example, I would like most of the Priority Moves to be teachable by Tutors, which could really benefit some older Pokémon.

Also speaking of Priority, do you guys think Accelrock will truly be limited to Midday Lycanroc? Because Rock priority could be really cool on some other Pokémon.

Also yes, Alolan forms do count. I would also count Megas, but there don't seem to be any new ones so...
 
CaptainBluescreen said:
I would really like them giving old Pokémon new abilities/ new HAs. I mean it happened before with Scolipede and Chandelure, so it could happen. Maybe Flygon could finally get a Hidden Ability to improve it, that would at least be somethibg as they don't seem to be able to make a mega for it xD

I could also see new Tutors being added and those buffing some old Pokémon. For example, I would like most of the Priority Moves to be teachable by Tutors, which could really benefit some older Pokémon.

Also speaking of Priority, do you guys think Accelrock will truly be limited to Midday Lycanroc? Because Rock priority could be really cool on some other Pokémon.

Also yes, Alolan forms do count. I would also count Megas, but there don't seem to be any new ones so...
Click to expand...
Oh yeah that wuld be great if they could do that for Flygon! It's one of my favorite gen 3 pokemon since childhood so I would love for it to be more usable.

"Accelerock is a move that only Midday Form Lycanroc can learn." Considering this quote I'd say yes unfortunately. It would be great (and would at least make things more fair if Midnight got it too :/) but anything that says basically this on the site I would take completely literally at least for this generation.

Like I said they seem to have very deliberate wording on the website. I imagine if it wasn't only midday Lycanroc it would say something like "Lycanroc is the only pokemon to ever use this move so far" which is the type of wording a lot of the moves and abilities have on the site, where some like Accelrock and Trop Kick are clearly stated to be learned only by that pokemon.
 
I hope Jynx and Bellossum gets dancer.
And Old Raichu to get Eletric surge.
Blissey -triage
Starmie- dazzling
Mismagius - Queenly Majesty/ Dazzling
Corsola- Shields down
Gardevoir- queenly majesty
 
I'm hoping Flygon gets some love via one of the new moves and/or an exclusive Z-Move. It would be a great alternative for it if Game Freak can't give it a good Mega design.
 
Silktree said:
With only 5 unrevealed (special) Z-moves, chances are that they belong to the starters and mascots.
Click to expand...

How do we know that there are 5 unrevealed exclusive Z-moves?
(I haven't watched any trailer after the Starter final evolution reveal, so sorry if this was mentioned after that)
 
lavandula said:
I hope Jynx and Bellossum gets dancer.
And Old Raichu to get Eletric surge.
Blissey -triage
Starmie- dazzling
Mismagius - Queenly Majesty/ Dazzling
Corsola- Shields down
Gardevoir- queenly majesty
Click to expand...
Queenly Majesty seems like something they would only give to queenly or at least regal pokemon, maybe Serperior, Vespiqueen, or Nidoqueen. I don't expect any old pretty pokemon will get it and certainly not Mismagius. What's queenly about her? She's a witch.

And Shields Down seems like an ability that would be exclusive due to it being related in Minior's forme changing.

Though looking it up it isn't said only Minior has it, so it's possible. If something else does get it my first pick would be Shuckle, but Corsola would benefit too and it would be nice.

Come to think of it I usually hear about Midday Lycanroc being one of the few, or only rock types built for speedy attack rather then defence, but Minior kinda counts for this too, though it does a little of both. That's neither here nor there though.
 
I think Solrock and Lunatone could get Shields Down.

On an unrelated note, Raichu seems to have benefitted with his Alola form. Alola Raichu has replaced Pikachu as the player's Pokemon in trailers, I just noticed.
 
Silktree said:
[spoilers]Wait until Ash's Pikachu is revealed.[/spoilers]
Click to expand...
Oh god if it's anything like Ash Greninja...

Well I guess Pikachu will really benefit from this gen. If only one.

Come to think of it I think that will count for Ash Greninja too. Though Greninja is already great.

I wonder if Ash Pikachu can use Light Ball.

Anyone know if the Cosplay Pikachu can use Light Ball?
 
Pokemon with move pools that don't quite match up with their stats will benefit greatly from Z-Moves.

For example, Electivire is definitely keyed up as a Physical attacker (123 Attack vs 95 Special Attack) but only has access to two physical Electric moves: Thunder Punch and Wild Charge. They're ok moves, but Thunder Punch has just over average base power, and Wild Charge comes with massive recoil that calls survivability into question. Things still won't be entirely optimal unless more physical Electric moves are added and made available to Electivire, but that Z Move will still improve what Electivire (and any other Pokemon with similarly skewed BSTs/move pools) can do.
 
BigBadButterfree said:
Queenly Majesty
Click to expand...

what with Nidoqeen?

many psychic types and pokemon with the move to summon Psychic terrain will gain a lot.
If Accel rock will land to more pokes and if we get priority moves for other types all can change.
 
Last edited:
Silktree said:
The overall numbers of special Z-moves was determined to be 11 by the dataminers. 6 have been revealed, leaving 5.
Click to expand...
With the Tapus sharing a Z-Move, there's a possibility that the same could happen in regards to Solgaleo and Lunala no matter how small. There's no guarantee they'll take up two of the five remaining signature Z-Moves. I woudln't expect the starters to each get one either especially since Game Freak didn't do anything regarding Mega Evolution with the Kalos starters. Heck, the only reason we got Ash-Greninja was popularity, which is to say that Game Freak had nothing special prepared for that region's starters. I'm not expect the Alola starters to get any better of a treatment, especially since they already have regular signature moves.
 
Please note: The thread is from 9 years ago.
Please take the age of this thread into consideration in writing your reply. Depending on what exactly you wanted to say, you may want to consider if it would be better to post a new thread instead.
Back
Top Bottom