Perfect Mega Gengar Counter? does it exist or will it be created?

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- Mega Gengar : ghost/poison, ability: Shadow Tag: traps pokemon...

Naturally the best pokemon to fight it would be a normal/steel type immune to both ghost and poison moves

But Gengar learns foxus blast , drain punch , focus punch and brick break.

the pokemon would need bulletproof to take that seriously.

Ghost/normal also could be good but would need to be faster then it.

But what is with the existing counters? Mega Kangashan? dark types? ground types? ground/steel?
 
Mega Gengar does not have any counters in the traditional sense since it can pick and choose its matchups. "Counter" implies being able to switch in. The only way to give the busted thing counters would be to get rid of or heavily nerf Shadow Tag, and until then Mega Gengar should stay away from OU.
 
And you didn't even mention that Gengar can also have Perish Song. That's a legitimately broken combo on its own (Gastro Acid, U-Turn/etc. aside).
 
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I fail to see how Gengar's knowledge of Brick Break and Drain Punch is worth bringing up at all, quite frankly. Base 65 Attack does them no favours whatsoever. Focus Punch only got a pass in previous generations for helping it muscle through Blissey, who nowadays would often use a Shell Bell to circumvent Shadow Tag.

I'd agree with Stratelier on Perish Song as I've used that move with Mega Gengar to alarming success in the past, and it honestly did surprise me that this move wasn't weakened somehow like Destiny Bond.

Mega Kangaskhan? Maybe, but if the Megagar user predicts well enough, they could catch a Sucker Punch in their Disable and render it completely helpless should it lack Earthquake or Crunch. Again, I've frequently used Disable Gengar.

To deal with a Mega Gengar, go for the generally bulky attackers like Ho-Oh, Primal Kyogre/Groudon, Ground Arceus, and 100% Zygarde, or a faster Pokémon such as Mega Mewtwo Y. Choice Scarves from the likes of Lunala and Yveltal might work too.
 
Sablaireau said:
be to get rid of or heavily nerf Shadow Tag
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or make a ability and moves that could use its trapping power and damage it hard it in return for it when entering battle or even do damage for more turns if not switched.
Maybe even heal hp and status conditions the user of the ability when trapped by a other pokemon?
(or even trap a ghost, one move or ability to do that)
Could be for electric, fairy, psychic, dark.
This would be new and appeling.

If we would something similar to Dancer ability but against all sound moves, maybe copy them or send them only back to the oponent and beeing immune to them at the same time, like a real echo(caves, maybe a rock type???)
This way your new pokemon would be immune to Perish Song and could send it back to the oponents pokemon taking him out of his strategy.

Stratelier said:
Perish Song. That's a legitimately broken combo on its own (Gastro Acid, U-Turn/etc. aside).
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Soundproof is a part of the game. Would need only better users with it.
But Bastiodon could fit, steel against poison, only the thing that Gengar would try to escape if trainer recals it, but maybe there could be that a move could be done till that?
Exploud, immune to Perish song and to ghost moves.
Bouffalant has soundproof and Pursuit for U-turn.
maybe a Kommo-o with Fling? hit hard first and then next turn earthquake?
 
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There is no 100% true counter to Mega Gengar. It's versatile, it's strong, and it's adaptable. Bisharp is pretty solid, and since Mega Gengar is Uber, anything faster that can hit it hard like Mewtwo.
 
Bisharp makes me think of Reflect Type, as much of a niche option that might be.

Matleo said:
But Bastiodon could fit, steel against poison, only the thing that Gengar would try to escape if trainer recals it, but maybe there could be that a move could be done till that?
Exploud, immune to Perish song and to ghost moves.
Bouffalant has soundproof and Pursuit for U-turn.
maybe a Kommo-o with Fling? hit hard first and then next turn earthquake?
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This just shows how constraining it was to competitive teambuilding, if subpar Pokémon like Bastiodon, non-Scrappy Exploud, and Bouffalant are being recommended for one strategy. On top of that, the first three are weak to Focus Blast and Kommo-o could be faced with a surprise Dazzling Gleam, so they're not even guaranteed if any offensive moves have been slipped into this Perish Song set.
 
Gengarzilla said:
Pokémon like Bastiodon, non-Scrappy Exploud, and Bouffalant are being recommended for one strategy
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not one, but its one of many posibilities.
Plus Bastiodon is a natural Primarina counter if you think of it.
 
I wouldn't use Bastiodon competitively, there's much better options to fight a Primarina (which by itself isn't particularly good either), literally anything with Water Absorb is infinitely better than Bastiodon. I'd only use Bastiodon if I plan on turning off my DS mid-battle.
 
Well, anyway. I'd think a situation where Mega Gengar becomes totally manageable won't come from any single new Pokémon hard countering it, but rather from GF tweaking Shadow Tag in some way. A bit like how standard Gengar took a tumble in Smogon's initial tier listings with the loss of Levitate.

Something like Shadow Tag only working for the user's first turn in battle is what I'm envisioning. Mega Gengar could still come in on some vulnerable target and pick them off happily, but then it's all free game for the rest of the opposing team until the Gengar's trainer switches it out.
 
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Gengarzilla said:
Something like Shadow Tag only working for the user's first turn in battle is what I'm envisioning. Mega Gengar could still come in on some vulnerable target and pick them off happily, but then it's all free game for the rest of the opposing team until the Gengar's trainer switches it out.
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That sounds like a bigger nerf than what Gale Wings got ... but for MGengar I'd say it's probably worth it.
 
Gengarzilla said:
Something like Shadow Tag only working for the user's first turn in battle is what I'm envisioning.
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Stratelier said:
That sounds like a bigger nerf than what Gale Wings got ... but for MGengar I'd say it's probably worth it.
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ghost types are immune to trapping?
maybe make it 2 turns and trap also ghost types?

what ghost and dark type pokemon are faster then Mega Gengar, those are posibble good counters. Also fast ground types and secondary steel with high sp. defense.

Aegislash is a mega Gengar counter if you think about it longer. Especially with a Sandstorm team.
 
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