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What all plot holes you know in the anime? I didn't noticed earlier, but recently when I watched the Celebi movie, I realize Prof. Oak already met Pokémon after #151, still after 40 years he put only 151 pokémon in the PokéDex.

Also the pokéball thing in the same movie. I read somewhere that people even older than Prof. Oak used the modern pokéball that Ash uses. Still in the movie, Sammy uses a very old-style pokéball that he has to loosen himself with the screw.

What are the other plot holes in the series?
 
Yeah in the original series its revealed that there are 150 pokemon and the rest are "yet to be discovered". But then when new regions are revealed, it acts like all the new pokemon have always existed. So they changed the reality from "new pokemon are being discovered" to "the writers haven't revealed them yet"

Also: May, Dawn, Misty, Charizard etc used to exist, but now they don't because we never hear about them. That's one heck of a plot hole.
 
GameCubeController said:
Also: May, Dawn, Misty, Charizard etc used to exist, but now they don't because we never hear about them. That's one heck of a plot hole.
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Just because they're not mentioned anymore doesn't mean they've ceased to exist. The writers are largely done with them and wanted to give the anime a fresh start of sorts with Unova, so what exactly do you expect them to do with the older characters of they are mentioned, anyway? :/
 
In the Kanto dub, we had Ash's 30 Tauros appearing out of nowhere when the Dratini episode was banned.

There was also that episode with Jasmine in Sinnoh, where Flint claimed to win his first league as a kid with his Monferno. Only in the first episode he appears in, it's said that when he left Sunyshore City at age 20, his Infernape was still a Chimchar.
 
Ash had a WHOLE SUMMER OF Adventures and then there was christmas specials and then Ash was still ten. All that shit happened in half a year.

Oh and the cages in the Butch and Cassidy premiere some opened some didn't. WTF
 
Alphaphlare said:
Ash had a WHOLE SUMMER OF Adventures and then there was christmas specials and then Ash was still ten. All that shit happened in half a year.

Oh and the cages in the Butch and Cassidy premiere some opened some didn't. WTF
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Yeah, how Ash has spent at LEAST a year with Pikachu, but is still ten...So, does that one part from the movie mean that they aren't canon?
 
Alphaphlare said:
Ash had a WHOLE SUMMER OF Adventures and then there was christmas specials and then Ash was still ten. All that shit happened in half a year.
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How many Christmases Bart and Lisa Simpson and the kids from South Park had over the years?
 
Ghetsis-Dennis said:
How many Christmases Bart and Lisa Simpson and the kids from South Park had over the years?
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Animes make progress and time pass. Cartoons take place at random times, yet kids never age. Animes have passing time, so if time passes and shows progress, then it makes sense if Ash is an older age.
 
Afrojisiac-19 said:
Yeah, how Ash has spent at LEAST a year with Pikachu, but is still ten...So, does that one part from the movie mean that they aren't canon?
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Only in the dub, so it doesn't count.

GiantZek said:
Animes make progress and time pass. Cartoons take place at random times, yet kids never age. Animes have passing time, so if time passes and shows progress, then it makes sense if Ash is an older age.
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Not all anime are the same. There are plenty where the characters never age.
 
The thing where Ash doesn't age is something used regularly. Its called a floating timeline. So thats not really a plot hole. but it does seem strange how they said he and Pikachu where together for a year and he was still the same age as before. That part has got to be a plot hole or some kind of error. Maybe years in the Pokemon world are longer than they are here so adventures that would seemingly take years can be completed in less than a year because its longer.
 
GameCubeController said:
Also: May, Dawn, Misty, Charizard etc used to exist, but now they don't because we never hear about them. That's one heck of a plot hole.
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Old characters are usually never brought up until they make a re-appearance.

In retrospect, Ash pulling out the Misty lure in early DP should have never happened. It tricked people into thinking the writers were going to have Misty appear in Sinnoh when she never did.

That's probably the reason why in BW's fishing episodes, the Misty lure did not appear at all this time.
 
Gliscor'd said:
In retrospect, Ash pulling out the Misty lure in early DP should have never happened. It tricked people into thinking the writers were going to have Misty appear in Sinnoh when she never did.
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Misty was going to reappear in DP after Ash won the Sinnoh League... The writers had it all planned out in that perfect ending to DP they had ready.

I quite like the idea of just using things like the lure or ribbons - it shows that Ash recognises them and has gained something out of knowing them; but doesn't mean contrived excuses for bringing old characters back.

I think ambiguity is used a lot to avoid plot holes, the number of Pokemon is a good example, they've stopped saying the number for years now.
 
Pokemon anime is full of plot holes which contradicts earlier events or have things in story left open and unexplored.But in reality every show has them,and pokemon certainly isnt exception.

One of probably most popular plot holes among fandom would have to be GS ball which plot was left unresolved never being done anything with it,making important part of anime storyline.Granted in interview with ex pokemon director mr.Hidaka he admitted how writers intended that ball contains Celebi with some big arc being made in Johto about it,but they discarded idea leaving plot at Kurt without anything being done with it hoping people would forget(how wrong they were).Granted they tried to redeem for it and feature Celebi in 4th movie which served purpose to give some sort of closure to it,but it didnt worked out that well.

There are also many other inconsistencies in story or unfinished things like character goals which end up unexplained never going anywhere.Like Mistys of becoming water master.Though that dosnt really fall in category of "plot hole" since its just part of story which was left unresolved.

Another inconsistency happened in "Cerulean Blues"when it was stated in dub "how Misty became gym leader"completely ignoring anime canon which stated several times during course of original series how Misty was already Cerulean gym leader.Sam gos for Brock mother Lola with dub implying how she was dead,despite such thing never being stated in original version.Its amazing how many mistakes dub made.

There are also other things like heavy ball from Kurt being given to Brock which ended up forgotten and never used.
Ash acting like he saw for first time some legendary despite seeing them in earlier seasons.

Reference to animals and fishes existing in earlier seasons(especially in Kanto),later on being forgotten about never being showed again.


YamiiDenryuu said:
Just because they're not mentioned anymore doesn't mean they've ceased to exist. The writers are largely done with them and wanted to give the anime a fresh start of sorts with Unova, so what exactly do you expect them to do with the older characters of they are mentioned, anyway? :/
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Maybe so,but not showing character which leaves cast ever again gives out impression how they didnt existed and never mattered in first place,It also makes anime which is supposedly treated as "continuity"look bad.

Likewise many ex Ash traveling companions werent wrapped up with there existing potential to do more with them having things to offer on table.Like Misty story and goal not receiving closure,writers not clearing everything regarding Brock departure leaving some things undefined and unanswered,Max story being left at standstill etc.

For that reason alone we cant claim how writers are "done with past characters"when they clearly didnt finished their job about them.Whether they intend to continue from where they stopped is another pair of sleeves though.
 
pokemon fan 132 said:
Reference to animals and fishes existing in earlier seasons(especially in Kanto),later on being forgotten about never being showed again.
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Real animals are no longer shown in the anime because they don't exist. With a series as long-running as the Pokemon anime, it's inevitable that certain elements are going to be abandoned over time because they conflict with the direction in which writers decide to develop the show. The appearance of non-pokemon creatures in very early episodes was presumably symptomatic of the writers having not yet figured out how they wanted to portray the pokemon world. Additionally, they had far fewer pokemon to work with back in Generation I, so they were more likely to go to the real animal well for references or sight gags involving creatures which, at the time, didn't have a pokemon equivalent - eg: the mongoose which shows up in Ekans' gastly-induced nightmare.


Personally, I can handle the whole "there are only 151 known species of pokemon...oh wait, there are hundreds and hundreds more, and actually we've known about them all this time" problem as something of an inevitable retcon for a series so long-running (and so built upon endless sequelisation). I find it far more baffling when a single episode can't follow its own internal logic on the matter - namely, "Mystery at the Lighthouse", wherein Bill has pictures of every Generation I pokemon on his walls, yet regards a very obvious Dragonite silhouette as an as-yet-unknown species. :p
 
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Moe said:
Misty was going to reappear in DP after Ash won the Sinnoh League... The writers had it all planned out in that perfect ending to DP they had ready.
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Does that mean Pokeshipping is canon and not Pearlshipping?
 
Ghetsis-Dennis said:
Does that mean Pokeshipping is canon and not Pearlshipping?
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No such ending exists; the notion of a "perfect" Sinnoh ending which got bulldozed for Unova is merely fan speculation. And this really isn't the thread to be discussing shippings and their respective validities.
 
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