Pokemon Adventures volume 43

[Eitarou]

As you all know, new volume today.

I don't know much, but what I do know is that HGSS ends, BW begins.

Spoiler

2ch put up pics, but that's all I got.

Spoiler

Lance was defeated by Petrel because he disguised himself as the person he fears most, Yellow.

 

[Dogasu]

Chapter List:

457: vs. Arceus VI
458: vs. Arceus VII
459: vs. Arceus VIII
450: vs. Arceus IX

461: vs. Pokabu
462: vs. Kurumiru
463: vs. Koromori
464: vs. Monmen

The BW chapters are in the same order that Viz put them in for their first volume.

 

[Eitarou]

A summary, from Coronis.

Spoiler

Alright, picked up Vol. 43, and I must say while it gave a more fulfilling end to HGSS, it introduced quite a lot of potential problems in the series with respect to the timeline and the issue of existence.

1) The Dialga, Palkia and Giratina created here at the Mystri Stage are the same ones that appeared in the DPPt series. Pryce explained that Dialga and Palkia are already hostile towards Giratina because they retained their 'memories' from the ancient past. This suggests that this trio were not exactly created from scratch, but more like they existed in the past during the creation of the world, vanished/disappeared/died-off somehow, and Arceus is just bringing them back to life, 'resurrecting' them from their ancient selves as spoken in the myths.

2) Lance explained that Arceus actually wasn't really forced by Archer to do anything. Rather, it followed its own will all along. When it descended from its realm, it carried the conflicting attitude of eliminating humans, yet keeping a small hope for humans as well. It created the DPPt trio to start destroying the world.

3) Pryce explained that the Sinjoh ruins do not really exist in the real world. Rather, it exists in an alternate dimension that links Sinnoh and Johto (which is why it appeared mapless on the Pokegear, I guess you can think of it like the Hall of Origin at the Spear Pillar). When Pryce fell into the voids of time, due to Celebi's will, he saw many things, including how legendaries were born, back during the time when Pokeballs do not exist. He also saw the future, saw how Celebi voluntary joined a trainer to prevent destruction (aka Ruby and the RS series), and saw the eventual total destruction of both Johto and Sinnoh due to the DPPt trio wrecking havoc at the Sinjoh Ruins (it is said that since this place links up both regions, its destruction will lead to the complete destruction of these 2 regions too). That is the reason Celebi brought Pryce back, to stop the DPPt trio.

4) When Pryce was still in the voids of time, he called out for help and Lance happened to be the one who responded to him. Pryce told him all about the future and thus Lance sent his holograph message to Oak requesting help. Somehow, on the evening Pryce returned to the real world at the Ilex Forest, Giovanni was there, because he was seeking Celebi too to cure his illness (after having heard of the Pokeathlon tale about Celebi being the mythical Pokemon who could heal diseases). Giovanni was hostile towards Pryce at the beginning, actually attacking him so bad that he nearly killed him. But Lance appeared and convinced Giovanni to work with them to stop the crisis which would destroy the world first (which destruction will include Silver).

5) Ken, Al and Harry are back again, under the direct command of Giovanni. They own a Mime Jr. and Skorupi (also the Hypno from the yellow series), this let Kusaka showcased some attacks that were not featured yet. Let's just say all attacks were successfully featured at the end. And Leafeon gets it cameo with Glaceon with the kimono girls during one of the last panels.

6) As expected, Pryce takes on Dialga, Lance takes on Palkia and Giovanni takes on Giratina (with Silver's Ursaring). Dragonite's freely mobile Hyper Beam became useful here because when Palkia warped its Hyper Beam away, it simply changed directions, came back and hit Palkia. Kinda clever if you ask me.

7) While everyone was fighting at the Sinjoh Ruins, Celebi is actually finding the herbs and meds to cure Giovanni with the help of Gold's Pichu (don't ask me how, maybe through Oak?). Spikey-eared Pichu appears as a wild Pokemon, became Pich's friend and the two work together. Ken, Al and Harry are protecting them, but then a group of TR Grunts working under the Four Generals thought that Ken and co. are disobeying the Generals, and thus attacked them. The two Pichus fried them with their electric attacks.

8) The evolution of Gold's Togepi occurred like in the magazines, and Arceus is finally calmed. As its rage subsides, it sends Giratina into the Distortion World, and Dialga/Palkia back to the Spear Pillar. Celebi arrives in time to save Giovanni, and Giovanni (after revealing that although his aim was to find Silver, he couldn't deny some of his greed as TR's boss as well), decides to continue running Team Rocket. He offers to let Silver join, but Silver decides to continue to mission to disband Team Rocket with his own hands. Giovanni accepts this, and wants him to become stronger under Lance and Pryce, his two former teachers, and come back to challenge him some day.

9) Indeed, Lance was defeated by Petrel because he was temporarily fazed by him disguising as Yellow, the trainer who shared his hometown and his powers.

10) Cynthia is seen when Dialga and Palkia flew off to Sinnoh (her Garchomp was still a Gabite). She meets Palmer (who was a Frontier Brain in Johto at that time), and Palmer reveals that he has captured Regigigas with the help of his old friend, Brandon's Regis. However, he realized that he doesn't have much use of it and thus decided to release it back at the Snowpoint Temple (explaining why it was already awake when Platinum was there).

11) It is revealed that Proteinman Omega was actually the creation of the Goldenrod Radio Director, basing his character on Red's Pokemon. Silver is somehow addicted to it.

12) It is hinted that Dia's Munchlax may be hatched from the egg that was produced by Red and Emerald's Snorlaxes. Gold also mentioned that the Grampy and Granny from the Day Care will be moving to another region (guess that's how they ended up in Solaceon Town).

13) Finally, with all that said, HGSS happens before the DPPt series. There's no definite time indication, but it says that 'Time has passed and the stage has shifted', which indicated it may even be years. Long ago, when DP was first serialized in the magazines, it mentioned about Rowan returning to Sinnoh after 4 years of absence (alluding to his visit to Oak in Kanto/Johto for the Pokedexes). This was changed to 'some time' in the manga, but it seems that this 4 year time line between Emerald and DP may be true afterall. So Emerald -> 3 years -> HGSS -> 1 year -> DP? This puts Gold, Silver and Crys at 17, Red, Green, Blu at 20, Yellow at 18. And if the time lapse between BW and Platinum is a few years more, we do have adult Dex Holders by the time BW2 comes around. And for Saque, she's still on the run in that case (since Platinum is latest chapter that involves her, despite just a mention). And Mewtwo spent 4 years chasing after her not knowing that the Dex Holders have been restored? Poor Mewtwo.

Well, let's just digest what the writers just threw us in Vol. 43. The backcover is Palmer an Cresselia as stated. And there were four chapters of BW here, up to the Hiker Andy chapter. The only difference I see is an extra scene at the end when N watched how Black and Hiker Andy worked together to stop the fire.



Coronis~

 

[Silktree]

What on earth is going on with this series? This information implies that Celebi basically helped Giovanni restore Team Rocket.

 

[Mitchman]

How the hell did they manage to do that? I mean it ties up nicely, but by god's HGSS is a mess. It makes sense if you consider how in game HGSS technically takes place before Pt thanks to the TV report, which still happens but isn't the opening, but still. I chuckle at the thought of the Shinjoh ruins being an alternate dimension, so much can be retconned if they ever do decide to make a region between the 2 regions. I'm not saying they will, but good lord is that an explanation for the ages...

 

[Silktree]

It makes sense if you consider how in game HGSS technically takes place before Pt thanks to the TV report, which still happens but isn't the opening, but still.

The TV report is randomly broadcast in Platinum, but we know that at least some of the HGSS events take place after Platinum. Most notably, Cynthia couldn't have seen Arceus in the Sinjoh Ruins prior to the Platinum events, since she only speculated about Arceus' existence at the end of said game. Of course, Kusaka went around that by simply removing her from the HGSS chapter.

I chuckle at the thought of the Shinjoh ruins being an alternate dimension, so much can be retconned if they ever do decide to make a region between the 2 regions. I'm not saying they will, but good lord is that an explanation for the ages...

It would serve Kusaka right if Game Freak forced him to make such a retcon. The Sinjoh Ruins being located in an alternate dimension is an awkward assumption that is not supported by the games; the map indicated that the ruins were north of Johto.

 

[Flare Blitz]

*facepalm*

There is so much wrong with Special right now that it could take ten million years to explain. BW and HGSS are supposed to take place after DPPt. And the Alternate Dimension explanation is literally pulled out of nowhere. I really hope Sinjoh is its own region now just to screw Special over.

 

[matt0044]

It would serve Kusaka right if Game Freak forced him to make such a retcon. The Sinjoh Ruins being located in an alternate dimension is an awkward assumption that is not supported by the games; the map indicated that the ruins were north of Johto.

I thought he didn't have to always stick to the games.

BW and HGSS are supposed to take place after DPPt.

And why can't an adaptation do things differently?

I know this dimensional thingy is ridiculous but... I'm not really bugged by it. I guess it's because I'm use to seeing things like it in Pokemon.

Also, I have a feeling we won't see the region the Sinjoh ruins are in. But of course, I don't work for Nintendo. If we do, Kusaka will figure something out. For better or worse but we won't know until it happens.

 

[Lugion]

I REALLY can't blame Kusaka. He's so overworked right now, it's ridiculous.

 

[Silktree]

I am not even that bothered by the deviations from the games, although I do believe that Kusaka will regret them one day. Above all, I think that the Arceus story should have had nothing to do with Team Rocket's revival attempt. Clearly, Arceus had its own agenda, so we didn't need human antagonists. It would have been interesting to see Pryce, Lance and Giovanni working throughout the chapter to bring down Arceus. In particular, there is a lot of wasted potential regarding Pryce's time travel discoveries.

Will we even see Silver defeat Giovanni? Is Kusaka waiting for Silver to become an adult or something? Giovanni doesn't even have a real conflict with Silver.

I REALLY can't blame Kusaka. He's so overworked right now, it's ridiculous.

How so? Releasing one or two rounds per month is not that hard, and he didn't add much content to the volume releases. He's had over two years to think about the HGSS climax.

 

[Lugion]

I REALLY can't blame Kusaka. He's so overworked right now, it's ridiculous.

How so? Releasing one or two rounds per month is not that hard, and he didn't add much content to the volume releases. He's had over two years to think about the HGSS climax.

Yeah, I realize the release schedule is pretty lax, but the games are being released so quickly now, and Kusaka's having to move on to the next set of games sooner and sooner. It really doesn't surprise me that the HeartGold and SoulSilver arc was so short, because Black and White came out very soon afterward, and that's what was hot. He just doesn't have that buffer zone to catch up anymore.

 

[Silktree]

Yeah, I realize the release schedule is pretty lax, but the games are being released so quickly now, and Kusaka's having to move on to the next set of games sooner and sooner. It really doesn't surprise me that the HeartGold and SoulSilver arc was so short, because Black and White came out very soon afterward, and that's what was hot. He just doesn't have that buffer zone to catch up anymore.

Again, he's had over two years to finish the story properly. He hasn't been kept that busy by the monthly Black and White releases. Also, the problems with the HGSS chapter were apparent from the get-go.

 

[Aestivate]

whether or not you guys think the plot is too rushed or deviates too much from the games warrants its own thread, i think. whoever wants to make it, be my guest.

but in this thread i'd rather you stick to the volume that was most recently published, please.

 

[MissingNo. 1]

Guys, HGSS was NOT rushed. So far in Pokemon Special, no chapter that is based off of either a remake or a third game was longer than a couple volumes. HGSS was 2.5 volumes, just like Platinum. And what other content was there to put into HGSS (well there's still Sird but since HGSS is a prequel she wouldn't have fit in there)? Looking at the entirety of the volume, it seems that the purpose of HGSS was to tie up loose ends from before, which it did very nicely, and set up the plot for chapters that take place after which is the job for a prequel. And for me, besides Sird all my hopes for the HGSS chapter was fulfilled. All the Dexholders made at least cameos in Generation IV chapters, Giovanni and Spiky-eared Pichu appeared with Gold's Pich serving as the shiny Pichu, and something came out of Emerald's female Pokemon being paired with male Pokemon of the same species at the end of the Emerald chapter (notice how all the paired Pokemon were evolutions of Sinnoh baby Pokemon). And c'mon, even if you aren't satisfied with HGSS you should consider what the ending of the magazine version was like and be grateful that a couple more chapters were added to make a complete ending.

And to the OP: Lance wasn't defeated because he was scared of Yellow. He said that Petrel disguising as Yellow just simply fazed him for a moment which allowed Petrel to gain the upper hand. I'm pretty sure the former Elite Four champion's greatest fear isn't some little girl half his age. I mean sure, she defeated him at one time but it's not like she "owned" him. Yellow won because she received help (a LOT of help) from her allies and I'm sure that if the two battled again in a normal Pokemon fight, then if Yellow's Pokemon don't escalate to the 80's then Lance would win.

 

[Dogasu]

Did the fourth BW chapter - the one with the hiker guy - end with a full page featuring N looking down on Black from atop a cliff? I don't remember seeing that page before and was wondering if maybe it was added just for the graphic novel.

I'd check myself, but my copy of the Viz graphic novel's back in America and that was one of the few chapters I missed from the magazine run.

 

[Eitarou]

Did the fourth BW chapter - the one with the hiker guy - end with a full page featuring N looking down on Black from atop a cliff? I don't remember seeing that page before and was wondering if maybe it was added just for the graphic novel.

I'd check myself, but my copy of the Viz graphic novel's back in America and that was one of the few chapters I missed from the magazine run.

No, it's one of those volume-only scenes.

 

[Hurricane Kishore]

As you all know, new volume today.

I don't know much, but what I do know is that HGSS ends, BW begins.

Spoiler

2ch put up pics, but that's all I got.

Spoiler

Lance was defeated by Petrel because he disguised himself as the person he fears most, Yellow.

Wait !
Why Cris is blushing ???
Did anything ''Manga-Questshippy'' happened in that chapter ?
Man , I have been waiting for that.

I REALLY can't blame Kusaka. He's so overworked right now, it's ridiculous.

At least , He/She working hard all by himself/herself to create a manga that will be enjoyable for everyone .
Unlike you know Who !
That why Kusaka has my respect !
By the way , Is Kusaka he or she ???

 

[Eitarou]

At least , He/She working hard all by himself/herself to create a manga that will be enjoyable for everyone .
Unlike you know Who !
That why Kusaka has my respect !
By the way , Is Kusaka he or she ???

...He.

And what? He doesn't work on Pokespe alone. Satoshi Yamamoto does the art as well.

 

[Hurricane Kishore]

At least , He/She working hard all by himself/herself to create a manga that will be enjoyable for everyone .
Unlike you know Who !
That why Kusaka has my respect !
By the way , Is Kusaka he or she ???

...He.

And what? He doesn't work on Pokespe alone. Satoshi Yamamoto does the art as well.

But he does the story himself , right !

 

[Flare Blitz]

All mangakas are exempt from criticism because they work on the story all by themselves. Okay.