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BDSP Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl General Discussion

Alright so, I will try to go more in-depth about why I personally consider BDSP to be a really good game, and the best game we've had during the 3D era of Pokemon (from XY onwards).

Firstly, I must start by saying that, for me, the Japan-based regions (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh) are, by default, superior to the non-Japan-based regions. I think Sinnoh in particular is one of the best designed and most exploration-heavy regions, and so this fact alone, already gives BDSP an advantage over recent Pokemon games that are set in more linear and less explorable regions.

Secondly, I am very happy with the developers' decision to go back to the chibi-like overworld and the classic top-down camera angle. I feel like the games that are more realistic in scale and human proportions (SM, USUM, SwSh, Legends) just don't feel as eye-pleasing and charming to me. So that is another point where BDSP wins for me.

Third, the game's content, which is probably the most important thing for me. I really like what BDSP is offering content-wise, and I will go briefly over the features I am excited for:
  • The most important thing for me is the Battle Tower, which, in BDSP, allows us to battle all of the game's special characters: the Gym Leaders, E4, Cynthia, Palmer, the Villain Admins, and the Stat Trainers. This is literally my favorite feature.
  • Gym Leaders, E4, Cynthia, our rivals, etc are also rematchable outside of the Battle Tower, with their Platinum teams, but improved with competitive setups, very high levels and improved AI, in what is probably the best rematches in the history of the franchise.
  • The Underground is just so much more exciting now. Pokemon Hideaways are a brilliant idea.
  • Secret Bases don't have decorations and Capture the Flag anymore (sadly), but they now have Pokemon Statues, which I think is a fair trade, since they allow me to design my very own Dragon Chamber, filled exclusively with my favourite Dragon Pokemon Statues.
  • Contests have been simplified, but in this case I think that's a good thing, because the original DPPt Super Contests were really confusing, and not very enjoyable, to be honest.
  • Ramanas Park looks exciting, and it actually engages the player in finding the correspondent Slates, in order to challenge each Legendary, which I think is quite cool. I'm especially happy about the Distortion World being there too (even if just a single room).
  • Following Pokemon is something that I didn't see coming and I'm really happy about it.
  • Trainer Customization is another thing that I didn't expect, and I'm really delighted about it. Bonus points for the Platinum outfits being available.
  • Minigames: I am excited about Poffin Making, finding items in the Underground walls, Diglett chasing minigame, Amity Square playing with your Pokemon, etc.

So, these are the main reason why I'm excited for BDSP. Now I want to address some of the things that may be perceived as flaws of BDSP and explain why I am not bothered by them.
  • Chibi Graphics: I actually prefer them, like I said earlier.
  • Change to Secret Bases and Super Contests: already explained above.
  • Lack of a Battle Frontier: I think the Emerald Battle Frontier was the real deal. I really missed it in ORAS. But the Platinum Battle Frontier found in Platinum was boring imo, so I will not miss it in BDSP at all.
  • Platinum enhancements to the plot (including Looker and Charon). I have never cared about the plot of a Pokemon game, so to me this point is irrelevant. Furthermore, I don't think Charon adds much to the plot anyway, and I actually dislike Looker as a character, so his absence is a bonus for me.
  • Platinum Villa: I wouldn't have minded having this feature in BDSP, but I'm kinda indifferent to it. It didn't add much to Platinum imo.

The only real criticism I have of BDSP, is that the game doesn't do anything new with Dialga and Palkia. I think they should've gotten new forms, like the Weather Trio in ORAS. Timeless Dialga and Spaceless Palkia, maybe? I think this would have been really cool, and it would've also made the box art more exciting.

In conclusion, I think BDSP is a great game, and a great remake. The few negatives that personally affect me are far out-weighted by the positives. So naturally, I like the game a lot.
 
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I don't think you can really compare HGSS' efforts to improve Pokemon selection to BDSP's. The problem with BDSP is that Platinum already had Platinum Dex Pokemon in the main game and all three had an increased selection of Pokemon in the post game. That's nothing new to BDSP. The HGSS Safari Zone added some Pokemon to the main game that were previously only post game in GSC and combined with improvements to other special encounter methods (expanded Swarm lists, Hoenn/Sinnoh sound, post game Headbutt trees either in Kanto or only accessible via Rock Climb, post game Bug Catching Contest expansions), added a large number of 3rd and 4th gen Pokemon that never existed in GSC period. Hideaways and Ramanas Park didn't quite expand BDSP's Pokemon selection to the same degree of having new, previously post game Pokemon in the main game and having completely new Pokemon that didn't exist in the originals.

BDSP has a much larger selection of available Pokemon, though. I'm pretty sure that between the two versions it'll be possible to catch all 493 Pokemon of Gen IV, whereas in HGSS quite a few of them had to be traded from DPPt.

This is not necessarily true, as it depends on how much effort it takes to implement each feature. It's hard to say, but I don't think features like following Pokemon and customization really took a lot of effort to implement, whereas I think features like the Battle Frontier and Pokeathlon took much more effort. I'm not at all convinced that the games are taking more effort (or if they are, the effort is shifting towards the 3D/HD graphics and away from the content).

The amount of effort put into something doesn't necessarily determine the quality of the final product. You could work really hard on something that turns out terrible, or, in a rare stroke of genius, effortlessly create a masterpiece. Remakes always require less effort anyway, because most of the work was already done when the original game was made.

I think perhaps it's true that more effort was put into HGSS, simply because there were more things that needed improving. For example, there wasn't really much of a story in GSC, so they added the new scenes with the Kimono Girls to bring the game up to modern Pokemon standards. They included the Kanto dungeons which were originally left out due to limited space on the cartridge, and added a minigame (the Pokethlon) because Johto originally lacked one.

DPPt, on the other hand, were pretty much perfect apart from the slow animations, HMs, limited Pokemon selection (in DP), and the fact that the Underground was (in my opinion) a bit boring. So remaking these games required less effort. That doesn't necessarily mean that the end result will be less good.

I suppose what it really boils down to is what do you value more: innovation, or overall quality. A lot of people would have preferred a remake with more significant changes (like the brilliant ORAS) so that exploring the same region again feels more worthwhile, and I can understand that. But for me personally, I'm happy as long as the game is of a good quality overall, even if most of that quality owes itself to the groundwork laid by the original version of the game.

I'm really looking forward to playing what is essentially classic Pokemon on the Switch; the first entry of the 3D era not to rely on flashy new forms or battle gimmicks.
 
Now I want to address some of the things that may be perceived as flaws of BDSM and explain why I am not bothered by them.
Can you please correct that? That's kinda inappropriate and less people will take your post seriously if you leave that in.

EDIT: Thank you! (y)
 
Yes, my uncle works there.
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"Chibi Graphics: I actually prefer them, like I said earlier."

Do you really think that these Chibi Models are an improvement over what we got in SwSh and Let's Go? What's the mental gymnastics behind this?

Compare this
Pokemon-Lets-Go-Rider-Onix-clipping.png


to this (I didn't find a single image showing the dwarf onix on the underground)
Pokemon-BDSP-Follow.jpg


Sources:
. KoopaTV Live Reacts: Nintendo Treehouse Live | E3 2018: Pokémon, Let's Go Pikachu + Eevee
. Pokemon Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl Following Pokemon, Pokemon Contests, And Capsule Decoration Features Detailed - NintendoSoup
 
Can you please correct that? That's kinda inappropriate and less people will take your post seriously if you leave that in.

EDIT: Thank you! (y)
XD This is the second time I've seen it happen and it's becoming my favorite thing about BDSP, haha.


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Do you really think that these Chibi Models are an improvement over what we got in SwSh and Let's Go? What's the mental gymnastics behind this?

Hey. He said he prefers them. That's a preference, not mental gymnastics. People like what they like.
 
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Do you really think that these Chibi Models are an improvement over what we got in SwSh and Let's Go? What's the mental gymnastics behind this?

Mental Gymnastics? Can't you just accept an opinion different from yours? Wtf is wrong with you?

I actually love LGPE graphics the most, but I definitely prefer BDSP graphics over SwSh /Legends/SM/USUM graphics.

If this bothers you, that's not my problem.
 
Mental Gymnastics? Can't you just accept an opinion different from yours? Wtf is wrong with you?

I actually love LGPE graphics the most, but I definitely prefer BDSP graphics over SwSh /Legends/SM/USUM graphics.

If this bothers you, that's not my problem.

I think there's a difference between preferring something (which is personal opinion of course) and saying out right something is an improvement.
An improvement implies something objective.

Someone can say they prefer the old style nostalgia graphics of Gen 1 for sure, but they can't really say the graphics in RBY VC were an improvement on FRLG, for example, as that's demonstrably untrue.
 
I think there's a difference between preferring something (which is personal opinion of course) and saying out right something is an improvement.
An improvement implies something objective.

Someone can say they prefer the old style nostalgia graphics of Gen 1 for sure, but they can't really say the graphics in RBY VC were an improvement on FRLG, for example, as that's demonstrably untrue.
I don't care if BDSP's chibi graphics are considered an "objective improvement" or not (I haven't used the word "improvement" myself, idk where are you getting this from). All I care about is that they look nicer and more soulful to me.

I never wanted Pokemon to change graphically, I wanted the graphics to remain as close to the DS era as possible.

And BDSP surprisingly reverted back to those earlier simple chibi graphics, that are much closer to the DS era.

And this is exactly what I wanted. I just didn't expect it to happen.
 
1. Uses the term "mental Gymnastics"
2. Complains about "too much drama"

Ok buddy, whatever. Have a nice day too.
Can't you just accept an opinion different from yours? Wtf is wrong with you?

I actually love LGPE graphics the most, but I definitely prefer BDSP graphics over SwSh /Legends/SM/USUM graphics.

If this bothers you, that's not my problem.
 
@ShieldFan Yes, that's my reply to your "Mental Gymnastics" accusation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Are you related to ILCA?

Do you really think that these Chibi Models are an improvement over what we got in SwSh and Let's Go? What's the mental gymnastics behind this?

Maybe think twice before starting drama with me next time. Bye!
 
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Soooooo... if I'm not mistaken, Celebi seems like the only non-Sinnoh mythical unaccounted for? I'm guessing it'll be distributed like Mew and Jirachi once Legends comes out. Would make the most sense.

Kind of a shame they didn't try to release a Ranger game for Manaphy instead of just making it an early purchase bonus. That would've been neat.
 
Soooooo... if I'm not mistaken, Celebi seems like the only non-Sinnoh mythical unaccounted for? I'm guessing it'll be distributed like Mew and Jirachi once Legends comes out. Would make the most sense.

Kind of a shame they didn't try to release a Ranger game for Manaphy instead of just making it an early purchase bonus. That would've been neat.
Deoxys would also be unaccounted for
 
@ShieldFan Yes, that's my reply to your "Mental Gymnastics" accusation.




Think twice before starting drama with me next time. Bye!
That wasn't an accusation. I asked you why you think these chibi models are better than the previous ones. I respect other people's opinions, don't know how you came to this conclusion. It's up to you to buy these remakes. Never said you shouldn't.

Think twice before starting drama with me next time. Bye!
Goodbye
 
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