Speculation Pokemon Remakes patterns

[Boss1708]

I was comparing OR/AS and the other remakes and since people are already speculating about Shinnoh remakes and Kanto re- remakes, I decided to do this thread...

Do you think GameFreak are following a pattern for the remakes, or is each remake an individual thing with individual rules and individual release periods?

I´m talking about OR/AS and FR/LG being released in the middle of a generation and including more original content than HGSS, while HG/SS being released at the end of the generation and benefiting more from the content expansions made in Platinum, while the others don't.

Strategically, I think FR/LG and OR/AS make more sense, because, releasing a remake in the middle of a generation breaks the repetitiveness factor: paired original sequels > third version. So, placing the remakes in the middle feels more "refreshing" for the generation.

On the one hand, HG/SS benefit from being released at the end, as it included the Platinum BIG expansions: the Battle Frontier, and Leader rematches. While OR/AS and FR/LG , coming before the third game expansion from their generations, didn´t include such a copy-pasted expansion (or better to say, not as big).

On the other hand, FR/LG, and especially OR/AS had more exclusive new content than HG/SS (it had the Pokeathlon and a special Pichu but not that much major stuff).

-FR/LG brought a whole region expansion with the Sevi´s and was the first to have the VS Seeker and improved teams for Pokemon League rematches.

- OR/AS introduced the most new stuff: Soaring, Dex- Nav, Sneaking, 360º walking, Primal Reversions, Coslay Pikachu, make your own Gym over just the Secret Bases, Maga Stones for all the Pokemon League members in rematches, brand new characters like Lisia, Aarune and Zinnia, a brand new post-game story (Delta Episode), Mirage Spots, a second Day- Care and the Battle Resort.

So, from the experience we have had until now, when do you prefer for remakes to be released, at the beggining, in the middle, or in at the end of a generation?

And do you prefer them to have more expanded copy pasted features from the same generation, or more original and exclusive new content?

 

[Icy Wind]

Honestly, i don't want gamefreak to end up making a remake of every pokemon game (especially another kanto remake) but i'll say it's better if they're released in the middle of a generation to have more time for the last game of the generation. And i don't think they have a "pattern" when making remakes since FRLG were made to bring back most mons that couldn't be transferred from gen 2, and HGSS and ORAS being made purely for fanservice.

 

[Mitchman]

I like mid generation remakes the most, as they can add features, and work as building blocks for the last iteration of the gen, much like emerald borrowed a lot from FRLG, and gave a sense that the world felt connected. Not discrediting HGSS and Pt's connection, which was something from the start that felt appaerent, just that theremakes felt like an afterthought in the end. Seeing HGSS being the buildingblock for BW was cool too, but I honestly like the middle groundFRLG and ORAS offered more.

As for the next remakes,that is in itself another pattern. If gen 7 is onthe next handheld, and not the 3DS, i do think we are due for DP remakes in 2019, exactly in the telease schedule so far for remakes. See the pattern so far is a remake every 5 years which so far has been:
2004-FRLG
2009-HGSS
2014-ORAS
If Gen 7 somehow lands on 3DS, then I dunno when. I certainly wouldn't mind remakes in2018 following the gen 7 games much like XY and ORAS, the earlier sinnoh remakes come the better.
Asfor how they are gonna turn out, its gonna be something fierce. If thenext handheld is around orabove the PS Vita in terms of graphics, then the next engine should be quite a looker,and Sinnoh is a crazy big regio , that could be quite a spectacle. I hope to god that Mt Coronet is always visible inthe background, its all I want. Other then graphics, I think GF is gonna go back a little in the timeline and have Gen 7 somewhere between Gen 4 and 5. I dunno why, but with XY placed during B2W2s events, it seems to me they do not want to gotoo far into the future, and its the only non concrete amount of time between gens. If they finally clear it upp and have games in that time span, they can use DPt remakes in the way ORAS works with XY, and even better if they are so close to each other. I dunno, it just fits as an idea to be honest.

 

[The Infidel]

I think it will be very interesting what comes next in terms of remakes.

We have the Gen 6 3rd installment almost certainly on its way
And the opening duo of Gen 7 somewhere

But I'm really intrigued whether the next remake will be Kanto or Sinnoh.

Kanto gets a lot of hate on here (really not sure why) but by all rights it is next in line. It's the only main story region not playable on a 3DS and its been over 11 years already since we visited that story. Whereas Platinum was only 6 years ago I think.

Also Kanto is the spiritual home of Pokemon, it is the original one (screw you Arceus )

If they don't remake Kanto for the 20th anniversary (which looks increasingly unlikely but not impossible) then perhaps we could see it in the 25th anniversary. 2020 or 2021 maybe?

To me its not a question of IF, but a question of WHEN, at some point we will return to Kanto, they cant just sweep it under the carpet and ignore it forever

 

[Boss1708]

I think it will be very interesting what comes next in terms of remakes.

We have the Gen 6 3rd installment almost certainly on its way
And the opening duo of Gen 7 somewhere

But I'm really intrigued whether the next remake will be Kanto or Sinnoh.

Kanto gets a lot of hate on here (really not sure why) but by all rights it is next in line. It's the only main story region not playable on a 3DS and its been over 11 years already since we visited that story. Whereas Platinum was only 6 years ago I think.

Also Kanto is the spiritual home of Pokemon, it is the original one (screw you Arceus )

If they don't remake Kanto for the 20th anniversary (which looks increasingly unlikely but not impossible) then perhaps we could see it in the 25th anniversary. 2020 or 2021 maybe?

To me its not a question of IF, but a question of WHEN, at some point we will return to Kanto, they cant just sweep it under the carpet and ignore it forever

I partially agree with you on that, but WHEN do you prefer that remake to be made? In the middle of a generation or in the end?

 

[Jimmy 3 People 0]

Let's see... we got FR/LG in Gen. III, and immediately after got HG/SS in Gen. IV. Gen. V had no remake, and ORAS came out in Gen. VI. So there was a one-gen gap, then a two-gen gap. By that logic, we'd have to wait until Gen. IX for Eternal Diamond and Infinite Pearl.

But that would be stupid, so let's just assume we get them in the next gen.

 

[Tuoko]

As for the next remakes,that is in itself another pattern. If gen 7 is onthe next handheld, and not the 3DS, i do think we are due for DP remakes in 2019, exactly in the telease schedule so far for remakes. See the pattern so far is a remake every 5 years which so far has been:
2004-FRLG
2009-HGSS
2014-ORAS
If Gen 7 somehow lands on 3DS, then I dunno when. I certainly wouldn't mind remakes in2018 following the gen 7 games much like XY and ORAS, the earlier sinnoh remakes come the better.

There is another pattern besides that though.

FR/LG releasing 8 years after R/G.
HG/SS releasing 10 years after G/S.
OR/AS releasing 12 years after R/S.

So according to these two patterns... We should be seeing D/P remakes in 2019 or 2020.

And I feel like if Kanto and Johto were to get more games, they'd be sequels. The idea of them getting another remake just seems odd to me.

 

[Boss1708]

People seem to be going a bit off topic...

My question was if REMAKES benefit more from being released between games, in the middle of a generation, like FRLG and ORAS (and get more exclusive original content), or in the end, like HGSS (when they benefit from the extra content the third game/sequels added, but get less exclusive content).

 

[Mitchman]

People seem to be deviating from the thread... My question was if REMAKES benefit more from being released between games, in the middle of a generation, like FRLG and ORAS (and get more exclusive original content), or in the end, like HGSS (when they benefit from the extra content the third game/sequels added, but get less exclusive content).

You also asked what would the remakes be like orsomething of that sort, but it seems you edited your original post with the questions at that start. Still a great thread though, the topic is fresh. And I disagree that the end gen remakes got shafted compared to FRLg Orin4etrospect to ORAS, because HGSS is leagues above both, featuring the only other sidequest equivalent to the badges, actually fixed Kanto and it an actual two region affair then Johto and a stinted Kanto, actually incorporated 3rd game elements and then expanded them then leaving it to a postgame that didn!t include them or were hinted at, and so forth. Midgen offers a different pace and a great way to bridge the generations 2 regions, but HGSS obviously benefited more so by being the last release, requiring that special oomph needed to keep sales up.
If DP is next for example, it can go either int he middle or the end, I honestly don't think its gonna need that oomph.

 

[Tuoko]

Remakes happening in the middle of the Generation is a better idea IMO because it removes the repetitiveness.

I feel like they become more connected with the previous region too. Yeah, there was the Sinjoh Ruins in HG/SS, but Sinnoh and Johto being connected to each other just feels a bit random to me, while Kanto and Hoenn or Hoenn and Kalos being connected feels quite natural.

 

[godiego]

There is another pattern besides that though.

FR/LG releasing 8 years after R/G.
HG/SS releasing 10 years after G/S.
OR/AS releasing 12 years after R/S.

as i told you last time: correlation ≠ causation; there were more obvious underlying factors contributing to those remakes than just coincidental dates.

 

[Boss1708]

People seem to be deviating from the thread... My question was if REMAKES benefit more from being released between games, in the middle of a generation, like FRLG and ORAS (and get more exclusive original content), or in the end, like HGSS (when they benefit from the extra content the third game/sequels added, but get less exclusive content).

You also asked what would the remakes be like orsomething of that sort, but it seems you edited your original post with the questions at that start. Still a great thread though, the topic is fresh. And I disagree that the end gen remakes got shafted compared to FRLg Orin4etrospect to ORAS, because HGSS is leagues above both, featuring the only other sidequest equivalent to the badges, actually fixed Kanto and it an actual two region affair then Johto and a stinted Kanto, actually incorporated 3rd game elements and then expanded them then leaving it to a postgame that didn!t include them or were hinted at, and so forth. Midgen offers a different pace and a great way to bridge the generations 2 regions, but HGSS obviously benefited more so by being the last release, requiring that special oomph needed to keep sales up.
If DP is next for example, it can go either int he middle or the end, I honestly don't think its gonna need that oomph.

But everybody was starting to discuss when the next remakes would come out and that wasn't the thread at all, so I edited it to make it more understandable... Lol

About the remakes, my point was that what made HGSS feel so good were mainly features not original to that game, like the copy pasted Frontier from Platinum , and the Pokemon following you from Yellow. Only the Athlon was a HGSS exclusive, and the Pichu... So HGSS heavily relied on Platinum in this aspect. Take the Frontier out and the game becomes quite less flashy, although still great.

While both FRLG and ORAS introduced more brand new exclusive for those remakes content. I just listed above...

FRLG introduced a whole mini region, while ORAS introduced core mechanics like Soaring, Dex nav and sneaking, a postgame Delta Episode, brand new characters like Lisia, Aarune, etc, mirage islands, going to space, and a Core new evolution method, the Primal Reversion. And there is more stuff. So yeah, HGSS definitely relied much more on past games, but im not saying it is a bad thing. It is just a different style of making a remake.

 

[The Infidel]

To go back to @Meta Boss; point

I prefer them in the middle of a generation, as done in Gen 3 and Gen 6, so you have something to break up the main region. ie Hoenn Kanto Hoenn and Kalos Hoenn Kalos, rather than what we had in Gen 4 of Sinnoh Sinnoh Johto. I think it was too much Sinnoh all at once and meant Platinum didnt shine as much as literally we'd just done Sinnoh.

 

[Lufenium]

My favourite remakes are HG/SS, and they came at the end of a generation. Though in honesty I don't really have a preference when the remakes happen.

If Game Freak do decide to launch Gen VII next year, and repeat the Gen VI release schedule, then we could see a D/P remake in 2017. That said I can't really see Sinnoh happening again anytime soon. Platinum is somewhat recent, only being first released 7 years ago and it's still playable on current hardware. If they decided to push D/P remakes into Gen VIII, then I'm happy to wait.

 

[Muur]

Middle is probably better, since it means no repeating regions but on that vein, I don't want lazy copy pasted post game areas like the Maison. I just didn't use it in ORAS, leaving me nothing to do.

 

[Bolt Strike]

I'm fine with either one really, as long as the games feel complete and include everything that needs to be acknowledged.

 

[NinjutsuSen]

They released a remake every five years as of now. Following that pattern, the DP remakes should come by the end of 2019.
But it still could come more early than that. It all depends if generation 7 will be released on a new platform. Remaking DP for the 3DS wouldn't be that ideal since these games still can be played on the system and the graphical update wouldn't be that big.

If generation 7 is still on the 3DS, then it's more likely for them to wait for the 8th generation and then we should expect gen 7 to end early like Gen 5 (only 3 year generation). If the NX will be a new handheld, then there's the possibility for the 7th generation to be on it with the Sinnoh remake.

Releasing a new remake should happen about 2 years after the generation starts with the time for more finetuning etc. Also not two regions in a row like Sinnoh.
And it would be better for GF if they do five year generation for the next one

The most ideal generation 7 would be following:

Fall 2017 - New generation
Fall 2019 - DP remake
Mid 2020 - Third version/sequel
Early 2021 - Red&Green/Yellow 25th anniversaty remake
Fall 2022 - Generation 8

 

[Arceus the Dragon]

I was comparing OR/AS and the other remakes and since people are already speculating about Shinnoh remakes and Kanto re- remakes, I decided to do this thread...

Do you think GameFreak are following a pattern for the remakes, or is each remake an individual thing with individual rules and individual release periods?

I´m talking about OR/AS and FR/LG being released in the middle of a generation and including more original content than HGSS, while HG/SS being released at the end of the generation and benefiting more from the content expansions made in Platinum, while the others don't.

Strategically, I think FR/LG and OR/AS make more sense, because, releasing a remake in the middle of a generation breaks the repetitiveness factor: paired original sequels > third version. So, placing the remakes in the middle feels more "refreshing" for the generation.

On the one hand, HG/SS benefit from being released at the end, as it included the Platinum BIG expansions: the Battle Frontier, and Leader rematches. While OR/AS and FR/LG , coming before the third game expansion from their generations, didn´t include such a copy-pasted expansion (or better to say, not as big).

On the other hand, FR/LG, and especially OR/AS had more exclusive new content than HG/SS (it had the Pokeathlon and a special Pichu but not that much major stuff).

-FR/LG brought a whole region expansion with the Sevi´s and was the first to have the VS Seeker and improved teams for Pokemon League rematches.

- OR/AS introduced the most new stuff: Soaring, Dex- Nav, Sneaking, 360º walking, Primal Reversions, Coslay Pikachu, make your own Gym over just the Secret Bases, Maga Stones for all the Pokemon League members in rematches, brand new characters like Lisia, Aarune and Zinnia, a brand new post-game story (Delta Episode), Mirage Spots, a second Day- Care and the Battle Resort.

So, from the experience we have had until now, when do you prefer for remakes to be released, at the beggining, in the middle, or in at the end of a generation?

And do you prefer them to have more expanded copy pasted features from the same generation, or more original and exclusive new content?

I disagree with you there. ORAS was a copy and paste from the originals and didn't contain the most new features (some of them are terrible anyway). HGSS and FRLG were more superior to the ORAS games in my opinion. As for possible new remakes, Sinnoh could be the next but I don't want re-remakes of Kanto because that sounds stupid in my opinion. I prefer the remakes between the generation. Judging by how bad ORAS was, the next remakes could be worse because of Game Freak lazy way of making them.

 

[Jolty94]

Well, I definitely don't want Kanto remakes at any point at least for another 7/10 years lol. My favourite remakes are probably ORAS, not there is much choice at this time.
On topic though, I prefer remakes in the middle of a generation, breathing room from the hype of the new first pair, and then a big bang return to it after the remakes. Which is how I'm hoping the Kalos third version/sequel will happen.

 

[godiego]

the only remake that i think has actually been up to snuff is HGSS. if it's because it was the last game of Gen IV, then every other remake needs to follow its lead. if it's because GameFreak wanted it to be the best, then they should have that same desire for every other remake.