Pokesav and Other methods of Hacking.

[d.aisuke]

So I thought I'd make a thread about pokesav and other methods of hacking in general.

So as for pokesav, Do you use it? In my opinion (and I'm not saying whether or not I use it) its a superior method for obtaining whatever pokemon you want as long as you don't go overboard.
Example: Editing the egg you already bred and didn't hatch so that it has the nature and IV's you want.
It's also good for getting the event pokemon as you can use it to obtain wonder cards

Thoughts?

What is Pokésav?

Pokésav is a Windows application that can edit (“hack") Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum save files. Any aspect of the save files can be changed, including Pokémon (and their movesets) as well as items. Pokésav can also generate Action Replay DS codes to provide the same effects as editing the save file directly.

Pokésav was developed by a Japanese programmer named COM and originally translated into English by GSD. Pokesav.org has maintained English translations of the latest versions.

 

[Queen Cynthia]

I've just used Pokesav to edit my lately caught Gible (btw. guys, I know a secret location, a hidden cave under the cycling road to be precise, where you can already get Gible after the second gym^^! no kidding, no cheat!)

Frankly, I'm against cheating as well, but there are certain attributes of a Pokemon you just have to change if you want to win in competitive battling. It's a fact, sorry
When I use Pokesav, I usually change IVs, EVs and probably the nature (if the Pokemon is very rare like Gible and if you're not blessed with the necessary luck to get one with the perfect nature)
But as I also want to enjoy the game as much as possible, I always try to catch it, and not just create the Pokemon with the help of Pokesav. That would be cheap and boring if you ask me.
At least I want to have the honest feeling: "YESSS, that's MY Pokemon! I caught it MYSELF!" That's what counts in the end regardless of some changed stats here and there, doesn't it?

You and your Pokemon should become one and that's why I enjoy the Pokemon games so much!

 

[Tina]

Frankly, I'm against cheating as well, but there are certain attributes of a Pokemon you just have to change if you want to win in competitive battling. It's a fact, sorry

...this isn't true. o_o You don't need to cheat at ALL to "win in competitive battling".. it might be a little tedious to most people (IV breeding ._.) but honestly, I view IVs as a mostly optional thing. You don't need to have 31/31/31/31/31/31 to win. -_-

(in fact it's pretty frowned opon from what I've seen)

 

[The Outrage]

Really, the only thing you do need perfect on is speed and maybe hp. For everything else that's useful, a high IV is enough. Getting perfect in it just means you can brag.

What I find annoying are people who hack for the sake of competitive battling but still suck at it.

 

[Sketch]

I've just used Pokesav to edit my lately caught Gible (btw. guys, I know a secret location, a hidden cave under the cycling road to be precise, where you can already get Gible after the second gym^^! no kidding, no cheat!)

You know nothing, this area is common knowledge, or at least readily available on Bulbapedia.

You don't have to have perfect stats to win, that's an amateur way to think. If you don't catch one you like, then you BREED for one. Or if you want to catch one with the right nature then you use a Synchronizer to get it.

I do not promote the use of Pokesav to cheat. I use it to check my IVs. It's better than using a calculator to see what you possibly have.

 

[Queen Cynthia]

You don't necessarily need a IV spread of six times 31 IV, but you can't deny either that you'll have much better chances of winning a tactical battle when playing Netbattle, for example.
If you have to outspeed a certain Pokemon, every single point counts, even if your SPEED-stat is only one point higher than your opponent's one
Sorry, but I can't agree with you here

Besides, I wasn't only talking about IVs, because what's MUCH MUCH more important is the right EV-spread and the nature! These two features of a Pokemon are definitely decisive for the battle!

 

[Tina]

EVs and nature are ridiculously easy to control. Seriously. If THAT'S what you're having trouble with... then.. no comment.

 

[AiedailEclipsed]

Dude, there are berries to lower certain things, and medicines to boost them, if you need that much help use them!

 

[Queen Cynthia]

EVs and nature are ridiculously easy to control. Seriously. If THAT'S what you're having trouble with... then.. no comment.

Where in the world did I write that I couldn't control them???
Let me tell you: I'm a Pokemon veteran which means I've been watching the Anime and playing the games since 1998 /1999.. After having played so much editions, I just don't want to start from zero in EVERY new one which btw. is quite understandable, isn't it?

Pokesav is just comfortable and spares you much trouble. You neither have to battle one special kind of Pokemon to get the right EVs nor do you have to spend days and days and days on mindless breeding!

Breeding btw. has nothing to do with the "spirit" of the Pokemon games if you ask me. You just sit in front of your game and mindlessly press buttons until you finally get an appropriate egg more or less by coincidence. Is that what Pokemon is meant to be? I don't need to reproach myself, on the contrary!
I even think that using Pokesav can effectively contribute that you get even more pleasure out of Pokemon, as it allows you to fully concentrate on the main aspect of the game: Battling! That's what it's all about, both in the Anime and in the games. (of course there are other things as well... I know, I know, but battling and becoming Champion Master is still in the center of everybody's attention)

But hey, everybody can handle it as they think it's best No need to be so aggresive.

 

[Sketch]

...wow. Breeding: a profession in the Pokemon world. A staple of real competitive battling... "has NOTHING to do with "the spirit". That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

 

[d.aisuke]

I've just used Pokesav to edit my lately caught Gible (btw. guys, I know a secret location, a hidden cave under the cycling road to be precise, where you can already get Gible after the second gym^^! no kidding, no cheat!)

Frankly, I'm against cheating as well, but there are certain attributes of a Pokemon you just have to change if you want to win in competitive battling. It's a fact, sorry
When I use Pokesav, I usually change IVs, EVs and probably the nature (if the Pokemon is very rare like Gible and if you're not blessed with the necessary luck to get one with the perfect nature)
But as I also want to enjoy the game as much as possible, I always try to catch it, and not just create the Pokemon with the help of Pokesav. That would be cheap and boring if you ask me.
At least I want to have the honest feeling: "YESSS, that's MY Pokemon! I caught it MYSELF!" That's what counts in the end regardless of some changed stats here and there, doesn't it?

You and your Pokemon should become one and that's why I enjoy the Pokemon games so much!

I agree with you to an extent. Though I find editing eggs to be quite all right, editing caught pokemon outside of changing EVs is basically cheating.
And while I personally have no problem with cheating, it has to acknowledged that it is cheating.

And that is the reason people bitch.

BTW, lol at the gible stuff, that's verry common knowledge.

EVs and nature are ridiculously easy to control. Seriously. If THAT'S what you're having trouble with... then.. no comment.

Fail.
I strongly disagree.

While it[a pokemon's nature] may be relatively easy if you have alot of time on your hands it is in no way whatsoever "ridiculously easy".

Dude, there are berries to lower certain things, and medicines to boost them, if you need that much help use them!

While true, it still takes alot of time.
IMO, the EV's are the easiest to manipulate, which is why I don't care if one hacks to get them, as long as the 510 limit isn't ignored.

I use it to check my IVs. It's better than using a calculator to see what you possibly have.

Yeah, that's really the only thing I've ever used it for.

I just don't want to start from zero in EVERY new one which btw. is quite understandable, isn't it?

Pokesav is just comfortable and spares you much trouble. You neither have to battle one special kind of Pokemon to get the right EVs nor do you have to spend days and days and days on mindless breeding!

Breeding btw. has nothing to do with the "spirit" of the Pokemon games if you ask me. You just sit in front of your game and mindlessly press buttons until you finally get an appropriate egg more or less by coincidence. Is that what Pokemon is meant to be? I don't need to reproach myself, on the contrary!
I even think that using Pokesav can effectively contribute that you get even more pleasure out of Pokemon, as it allows you to fully concentrate on the main aspect of the game: Battling! That's what it's all about, both in the Anime and in the games. (of course there are other things as well... I know, I know, but battling and becoming Champion Master is still in the center of everybody's attention)

But hey, everybody can handle it as they think it's best No need to be so aggresive.

And I agree with you here, which is why I see nothing "wrong" with pokesav!!

...wow. Breeding: a profession in the Pokemon world. A staple of real competitive battling... "has NOTHING to do with "the spirit". That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

...I don't really see what you're saying. Is your point that the idea that "chaining, breeding, and other meticulous in-game methods take away from the 'spirit' of the game" is silly? Because is so I have to disagree.

 

[bethwhowishes]

I use Pokesav occassionly, but only on my Pearl copy - I also have Diamond, which I play 100% legitimately. I mainly use it to create dream teams - teams of pokemon which, as someone who has played pokemon for literally 10 years, I have never been able to own or create before. I do not use these pokemon on Wifi - EVER. This is down right nasty, especially if all your pokemon are level 100 with maxed everything and wonderguard ability. That's just plain cheating.

But I think using Pokesav for self gratification and general experimentation is fine. Aslong as your hacking isn't being used to a unfair advantage against other REAL people playing, then I guess it's okay. But I never quite love my hacks as much as a real pokemon I have worked hard to catch and raise myself; it's so much more satisfying playing with a pokemon you have raised from the first few days of play.

 

[the_eevee_breeder]

I don't think hacking's a good thing.

The other day, my brother finally got enough money to buy his favorite game used: Pokemon Pearl. However, when we checked out the old save file, it was horribly hacked. As in : level 100 arceus, 99x all tms, wild level 3 legendaries, you name it, it was there.

The poor little guy was devastated. He'd been waiting for ages for this game.

I myself am trying to catch the perfect Snorunt for a Froslass. I've caught 8 thus far. But do I want to cheat? Not really. I'd rather say I caught her with my own sweat and blood, not because of a hack.

What do you think?

- the eevee breeder

 

[PAK215]

I had an Action Replay, but I didn't feel right using a cheating device to avoid actually playing the game, so I threw it out. I still have a bunch of lucky eggs, though.

 

[imnohero]

The other day, my brother finally got enough money to buy his favorite game used: Pokemon Pearl. However, when we checked out the old save file, it was horribly hacked. As in : level 100 arceus, 99x all tms, wild level 3 legendaries, you name it, it was there.

The poor little guy was devastated. He'd been waiting for ages for this game.

I'm not sure I understand, why was he devastated? He will be starting his own save file over that one, and it won't affect his game in any way..

 

[the_eevee_breeder]

The game was so badly messed up he couldn't restart.

 

[Coontank!]

I've never hacked before, but imo, I don't see anything wrong with it to an extent. I think IV's should be legitimately bred for, but once you have the individual you're going to use, then I don't see anything wrong with editing it for EV's and nature. As long as everything lines up and nothing is too perfect, then whatever. And why not duplicate items?

 

[imnohero]

The game was so badly messed up he couldn't restart.

Aw that's terrible :/ Was he able to return it?

 

[Jayc]

Pokesav is quite useful. It's just how you choose to utilise it.

I use Pokesav to do things I would otherwise be unable to do ingame, such as Secret ID checking, cloning for trades and renaming traded Pokemon.

IVs are, well, not that important. Most of the time, my Pokemon have surprisingly decent IVs in the correct stat (24+ to sometimes even 30), so there really isn't a need to edit those.

 

[the_eevee_breeder]

Aw that's terrible :/ Was he able to return it?

Yeah. He's been saving his allowance for a year to afford the DSi and Pearl.

We actually got a replacement today. I checked it out, there were a few minor hacks (95x all tms, unlimited money, 45 Explorer kits in the mail bag (?????) etc.) but nothing harmful.

Now he's happy with his Turtwig, Magikarp, Shinx, and Riolu egg (a present from myself).