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Poll - should Charizard get a variant of Magnet Rise to block Rock-type attacks?

Should Charizard get a new variant of Magnet Rise to block Rock-type attacks?

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Andros 1337

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What has been unfortunate the past two generations is the common use of Stealth Rock, which was the dream of Charizard haters.

I was wondering, do you think in Gen VI, Charizard should get a Fire-type new variant of Magnet Rise to block Rock-type attacks, including Stealth Rock?

I would love to have one. I think the move should be known as Firestorm Wall. Thus, we Charizard fans can get our revenge on all the Stealth Rock-loving Charizard haters.
 
......and.....why just Charizard? What about the four billion other Pokemon x4 weak to Stealth Rock, like Yanmega, Moltres, Volcarona, etc?
 
Neosquid said:
......and.....why just Charizard? What about the four billion other Pokemon x4 weak to Stealth Rock, like Yanmega, Moltres, Volcarona, etc?
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Because the idea of using Stealth Rock was intended to be anti-Charizard, so Charizard deserves a counter more than any other Pokémon species.
 
Why not make it exclusive only to fire types who have a 4x weakness to rock? While we're at it, it should also last for 5 turns and will cancel if it's being switched out to balance things out.
 
Andros 1337 said:
Because the idea of using Stealth Rock was intended to be anti-Charizard, so Charizard deserves a counter more than any other Pokémon species.
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I really doubt this is the case. Stealth Rock is there to cripple any Pokemon when they switch in, especially those that are weak to it. Some weakened Pokemon will just die immediately when they switch into battle.
 
I don't think they should create a move purely to cater to one certain Pokemon, no matter how popular it is.

And even if Stealth Rock didn't exist, it's not like Charizard would be some unstoppable force in battles.
 
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Too bad Stealth Rock is an entry hazard, meaning you can't really set it up before you switch in.

Volcarona manages to be good despite Stealth Rock. I don't know where @Christmaszhu gets the idea Charizard would be overpowered when it wasn't overpowered before Stealth Rock.

Lol@ anti-charizard, as if it was so game breaking that they needed to nerf it.
 
Christmaszhu said:
No. It would make Volcorona overpowered.
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Fix'd.

That would basically make fire types immune to rock types and thats not a good thing at all imo. Why not just simply give them an ability that protects them against entry hazards? Moltres would love it.

Even without SR Charizard would not be overpower'd though, he'd be BL or maybe OU at best.
 
El_ said:
Even without SR Charizard would not be overpower'd though, he'd be BL or maybe OU at best.
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That'll be a good thing to me because at least he won't be a low tier anymore, which would've ruined his cult status.
 
That wouldn't even work because you'd have to use it before you switch into Stealth Rock, which would be impossible. If Stealth rock is such an issue, there's already a move that deals with it just fine.

Charizard fans are just going to have to live with the fact that he's mediocre in battle, and its going to take more than a admittedly nonsensical move to change that.
 
Winterdaze said:
That wouldn't even work because you'd have to use it before you switch into Stealth Rock, which would be impossible. If Stealth rock is such an issue, there's already a move that deals with it just fine.
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Problem, people tend to play with their favorites, so what if the rapid spinner isn't one of the player's favorites?

Also, Luxray is mediocre in battle, yet you still seem to use it. Charizard just needs an expanded movepool to improve his performance (ex: Earth Power).
 
Ghetsis-Dennis said:
Problem, people tend to play with their favorites, so what if the rapid spinner isn't one of the player's favorites?

Also, Luxray is mediocre in battle, yet you still seem to use it. Charizard just needs an expanded movepool to improve his performance (ex: Earth Power).
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What I use has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
If somebody is so dead set on including Charizard on their team, then won't the benefits of using a spinner that will exponentially improve his performance outweigh the "cost" of them not liking the spinner? There's a plethora of spinners to choose from anyway, chances are there's at least one they'll like.

Earth power will do very little for Charizard (it's hampered offensively by lacking a reliable way of dealing with bulky waters, not Rock and Fire types, and kind of has four moveslot syndrome anyway), but that's a discussion for another thread.
The point is Charizard needs spin support to be used properly, and a Rock-type immunity version of Magnet Rise isn't going to change that. I also don't think the aforementioned move being Fire-type makes any sense whatsoever, but that's just me.
 
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Charizard is somewhat screwed over by his typing. If he were Fire/Dragon like Reshiram but with levitate as an ability then he'd be better.

What the Op is suggesting is tedious, and other things just take care of SR much better. Fact is, its not simply SR thats keeping Charizard back, hes outclassed by many other fire types nowadays, especially Volcorona who has the exact same weakness by doesn't even suffer that much at all.

This isn't gen 2 anymore when he was one of the best fire types. Charizard was my first favorite Pokemon, but I learned the hard way that hes nothing like in the anime.
 
Yeah, it really wouldn't do anything. Maybe Charizard would rise a bit in usage a little bit, but it's still not the fastest or most powerful thing in the world.

Yanmega and Volcarona, however, would DEFINITELY see a usage rise, maybe even bringing the dragonfly back to OU.
 
El_ said:
What the Op is suggesting is tedious, and other things just take care of SR much better. Fact is, its not simply SR thats keeping Charizard back, hes outclassed by many other fire types nowadays, especially Volcorona who has the exact same weakness by doesn't even suffer that much at all.
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No, its not that Volcarona doesn't suffer, its that people are willing to use it despite its weakness, which says something about its power.

Long story short, don't go blaming something else for why a Pokemon isn't good.
 
Winterdaze said:
What I use has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
If somebody is so dead set on including Charizard on their team, then won't the benefits of using a spinner that will exponentially improve his performance outweigh the "cost" of them not liking the spinner? There's a plethora of spinners to choose from anyway, chances are there's at least one they'll like.
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People still prefer to use favorites, and if they tend to dislike the rapid spinners for their appearance, then they won't use them.

Earth power will do very little for Charizard (it's hampered offensively by lacking a reliable way of dealing with bulky waters, not Rock and Fire types, and kind of has four moveslot syndrome anyway), but that's a discussion for another thread.
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But I was told that Charizard is suffering by Pokemon who know Stone Edge such as the majority of fighting types, and would Energy Ball help? This move should've been the holy grail to all fire types, but it was only given to a few who can utilize it.
 
Charizard has no reliable way of increasing its Special Attack (Choice Specs comes with its one move limit, and AncientPower is lol). It's still weak to Water and Electric, which are not uncommon attacking types. It's base Special Attack is lackluster compared to Heatran, Volcorona and Chandelure and its defences are average. Belly Drum is too risky due to its average speed compared to some of the popular attackers out there and there's absolutely no reason for not choosing one of the OU Dragon Dancers over Charizard with the move.

Yes, the Rock weakness hurts Charizard, but quite frankly its a pretty terrible Pokémon anyway that would still require support if it wants to setup.

Even then, you've just harmed its coverage by using the hypothetical move.
 
Andros 1337 said:
Because the idea of using Stealth Rock was intended to be anti-Charizard, so Charizard deserves a counter more than any other Pokémon species.
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It sounds to me like you're taking it too personally because you're a fan of Charizard~

I don't think a move like this seems particularly necessary. Pokémon have weaknesses for a reason.
 
"Hey, let's take a bad Pokémon that's not used that often and get rid of its biggest weakness because I think it deserves it."
 
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