Possible New Forum - Hacks Only

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Hi guys,

Based on a conversation I had with a member earlier today, it appears that there's some interest in creating an entire forum dedicated to offering/want hacked Pokés. This could cut down on issues where people are trying to pass off as legit things that clearly aren't, and could allow people a place to go where if something's questionable (say, off the GTS) they can unload it with no problems. I'm making this thread so we can discuss the creation of this new, fourth trade center forum.

We are not going to ban hacks. This is because we feel that as a part of the game, someone who wants to obtain a hack should have the freedom to do so. Similarly, someone who has an AR or some other device who wants to hack something should be free to do so. We aren't the morality police, and won't decide for you that "only legit" stuff is allowed. That's up to you. But we do expect people offering to be honest about their hacks. We will continue to enforce our rules about hacked trades, and violators will be punished quite severely.

But again, we're going to use this thread as a sounding board for the idea of a fourth, hack-only forum. Thoughts?

-evkl
 
(When I saw the title I though it was about hack-games, lol).

I do like the idea, it would make trading easier for people who specifically want legits or who specifically want hacks.

But, a question, would Cloned Pokémon go into the hacked forum, the legit forum, or both/ether? I know everyone has different views on them, so yeah.
 
It sounds like a good idea. I really hope this subforum is created so we can avoid hacks if we want. And there should probably be a rule that says something like "if something has questionable legitimancy, it should go in the hack forum"
 
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Blazevoir, yeah, that'd be the rule. GTS stuff and all that would belong in the hack forum.

As for cloning, I think our stance is that cloning is considered legit. Because it doesn't have any noticeable impact on the data; it's just a copy of legit data. As opposed to a hacked Shiny Celebi that's caught on Route...well, whatever really. I think you get the point. But I'm open to discussion on that too.
 
I have an objection to cloning. It is abusing the game's errors, so I don't really consider it legit. I certainly wouldn't want a cloned pokémon.
I reckon tbh we could get away with having one single thread for people who want things cloned, or someone could set up a cloning shop. This would solve the problem of every other want being a cloner request.
 
not to start a whole other debate, but wat if someone is just looking for a pokemon hacked or not

say i'm looking for a shiny aipom but idc if it's legit or not, posting two threads in 2 trade areas would be redundant
 
This is a smart idea, it helps both the people who don't care if their Pokes are hacked and those that want legit only.
 
I like it. It would keep me from having to kepp on warning that I use Pokesav, albeit clean purposes.
 
to be honest, I think this would be a great idea, for those of us who are looking for pokemon that are hard to obtain, and just want the dex data
 
slkb, that's a very reasonable concern. I think perhaps the offering forum would be the only one duplicated. In the wanted forum, a user can specify what they're looking for and it's expected people will meet their needs.

Camz, you can specify that you don't want a clone, but I don't think clones should be banned from the legit trade forum. Exploiting a component of the game (ie., Missingno.) does not seem to be the same to me as using an AR.
 
I don't mind a separate forum for hacks.

My viewpoint to cloning is as well that it cannot be classified as hacking. Doing so would for example push nearly all store event Pokémon to the hack forum since there really aren't unique events on the loose.
 
~>Shinies<~

I've seen people go both ways on this, but I've assumed AR means hacking, regardless of correct data (link trade/improper catch loaction) and not using hacked pokeballs (specifically Cherish/Safari) While I don't believe these to be in the same class as the cases in parenthesis, these are still hacks because of the 3rd party help provided by the AR, correct?

Anyways, I'd like this quite alot. It provide an acceptable method of trading GTS/AR'd pokemon. (Time to find a Lv.1 Shiny Lugia)
 
Actually, some people have multiples, for example those with multiple games.

Point taken. I do think a cloning shop should be set up to prevent so much clutter.
 
I think that if you don't care if it is hacked or not post two threads one in the wanted station asking for a legit one and one in the Hacked station asking for a Hacked one.

As for clones I think they would be considered legit. The debate on the legitimacy of clones could and will go on forever there cannot be a happy medium. I believe that enough people clone that if you made a thread for that then there would be no one posting in the original threads anymore. I cannot think of many people who don't have cloned pokemon.

Even though I think that a Hacked Pokemon Forum is a good Idea I think that if we get too many forums then we wont have enough members to populate them all. We also don't have enough mods to watch them all. If we get to much in depth then we will end up having 10 Forums and only 3 people on each one. I know that at night there is about 5 people or less in the Bulba trade forum.
 
I think there should be a rule on both forums where you have to list if the Pokémon your offering is cloned or not, that way it'll keep everyone happy... kind of.
At least people who don't like cloned Pokémon wouldn't get traded one without their knowledge.

(I don't have a problem with clones, personally.)
 
Just speaking generally, we aren't going to make one thread for clones (or something like that.) The purpose of this forum (and its subforums) is to allow everybody to ask for, in their posts, what they need or what they're able to offer. So we aren't going to make a single thread for all clones, and the demand just isn't there for an all-clone forum. There are shops in the Shop Subcenter that offer cloned stuff, and cloning services.
 
Great idea! I agree with cloning being legitimate. Its just a copy of the orginal pokemon even right down to the orginal hex values. Cheers to Hytarin and Evkl for the idea.
 
I think this would be a nice change. One thing though, if you separate the hacks, then the members and moderators need to more strictly enforce what people are offering and trading in the regular forums. Penalties for trading hacks (either knowingly or unknowingly) in those forums would have to be put in place.

It would be nice if people listed more relevant information when offering rare legends and events, especially in the shop subcenter. Even knowing the exact IVs can help determine whether most legends could be hacks or not. Perhaps the standards for the shops should be increased somewhat? There are quite a few shops and a lot of them could stand to be cleaned up / organized / have information added to them.

I agree that cloning should not be part of this discussion. Although, what Camzoman said is a good idea. If you make one sticky thread for cloning requests in the Wanted forum, that would cut down on the number of 'clone this for me' threads. Sounds good to me.

Will probably have more comments later :mallet:
 
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