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[UnownUnknown]

HAIL

The Lead

SelenaGomez (Froslass, Timid) w/ Focus Sash
Snow Cloak
252 Spe/252 SpA/4 SpD
Spikes
Taunt
Ice Beam
Destiny Bond

Although in BL and formerly UU, this foxy female has proved to be an impressively unique lead Spiker in OU metagame. With it's high 110 Base speed, it outspeeds most common leads. With common knownledge, understanding that quicker leads like Aerodactyl and Azelf normally attempt to out-taunt Froslass or place SR's first, so I alternatively blast an unpredictable Ice Beam - powerful enough to 2hko Focus Sash Aero, Skarmory, and Azelf. When they figure they need to counter it with their super effective moves (Stone Edge and Flamethrower), Froslass would be the big winner with herself clinging onto her sash. Destiny Bond is Froslass' most valuable suicide weapon, ruining early setups after a taunt. It's unique typing prevents rapid spinners and suicide leads from delivering a devastating Explosion. If Froslass still survives after Hail has been activated, it not only becomes an anti-stall with Taunt - it also gains an evasion boost from its ability. The only weakness I've found off from lots of Froslass use is the notorious anti-lead Machamp and Scarf Tricksters.

The Weatherman

OMGWHYY (Abomasnow, Timid) w/ Leftovers
Snow Warning
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Substitute
Leech Seed
Blizzard
Protect

As my almighty weather-inducer, I gave him the special role of substall. Even if the other person switches in Infernape or launch a move that is one of the 14 weaknesses - I almost always use Protect first to make sure and deal a little Hail damage. After he gets his Leech Seed up - he can successfully be very annoying to the other team or he can switch to a counter and keep the LS benefit. Abomasnow with his Speed EV maxed and Timid nature can outspeed even Pokemon with 80 Base Speed, making him quite a speedy fella'. His 100% acc Blizzard can also deal a nasty blow on most opponents, possibly utilizing it as a KO on his stalls.

The Stall

ISTALLYOU (Walrein, Bold) w/ Leftovers
Ice Body
220 HP/36 Spe/252 SpD
Roar
Protect
Substitute
Surf

One of the most hated stallers of all time, Walrein can outstall literally every opponent barring Leftovers. Walrein can withstand a Rotom's Bolt quite easily and setup a Substitute. Once its Substitute has been activated - be ready for a long excruciating day. Roar is used as a phazer to remove people attempting to set up themselves with Hail and Spikes devastating the next opponent. Surf is for finishing off the stall'd Pokemon and dealing massive damage to Heatran and Infernape. Its ability, Ice Body, gives it a 6% heal everytime Hail makes contact with it; meaning Stallrein gains a huge 12% per turn, providing itself the ability to create a new Substitute free of HP charge by alternating with Protect or phazing with Roar every other turn. His biggest fears are status inflictions like Burn and Toxic, and Jolteon.

I Eat Thunderbolt

Fatass (Mamoswine, Adamant) w/ Choice Scarf
Snow Cloak
252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Stone Edge
Superpower
Ice Shard
Earthquake

Not only does Hail make this macho beast get an evasive boost, but the addition of Choice Scarf with its massive attack turns it into one of the most frightening Pokemon in OU. Although it feels that priority Ice Shard is unneeded for a scarf Pokemon, it provides Mamoswine an easy method to ruin Dragon Dancers and Scarf Flygon. I normally expect when I switch in Mamoswine into an Electric-type that they'd either switch to a Levivitate or Flying Pokemon if I haven't investigated the entire team, so I just use Stone Edge to 2HKO Rotom. I also fling in Mamoswine on Tricksters to totally waste their move :lol:. Some of Mamoswine's biggest counters is Infernape (which it can survive a Flare Blitz and Close Combat off of, but still can't match its speed even with a Scarf [Hopefully it can dodge some things!]) and Skarmory.

The Deflector

Gaylord (Rotom-F, Modest) w/ Choice Scarf
Levitate
252 SpA/4 SpD/252 Spe
Thunderbolt
Blizzard
Shadow Ball
Trick

This is the classic Trickster Rotom but this one has a 100% Blizzard up it's sleeve to wreak havoc. I'd switch in Rotom from any EQers, Rapid Spinners, and Choice CCombat spammers like Heracross. This will make them switch, enchanging my scarf onto an incoming Pokemon, then let me switch in a counter while I have the chance to.

The Support

Teehee (Tentacruel, Calm) w/ Leftovers
Liquid Ooze
252 HP/120 Def/132 SpD
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Surf
Sludge Bomb

Tentacruel is one of my most important Pokemon on my Hail Team, due to the majority of them having a Stealth Rock weakness. Providing a tough special wall, this addition helps scare off Fighting and Fire-type moves or even make a switch - normally giving me a free Rapid Spin. Its ability, Liquid Ooze, is useful for ruining Leech Seeders and SubSeeders alike. Due to the popularity of Electric and Ground moves in the OU metagame, I've got Mamoswine and Rotom to deal with them. Tentacruel is quite the unique one for being the only Toxic Spiker to both absorb T-Spikes and provide Rapid Spinning.
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[UnownUnknown]

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Reserved

 

[VanillaThunderbolt]

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Love the Froslass. Sash+Bond is an awesome combination, especially on the speedy likes of Froslass and Gengar. Scarf+Trick being your weakness, as you mentioned, is helped out by Mamoswine (like you said in its description, the Trick becomes useless, and the Trickster ends up being Choiced into Trick xD).

As far as Mamoswine goes, does it actually gain any Speed marks with the Scarf that are vital? I imagine Choice Band would give you the power to seriously damage the opponent's walls all the more.

Walrein is an awesome stall, but this one is completely walled by Vaporeon, outside of Roar. I can't consider Roar an efficient enough counter to such threats, because it may bring them in, or it may be a one-on-one stall fight at the end. I feel like some variation of Sub+Curse may treat it well, especially considering most of its EV investment is in Sp.Def (if you go that way, definitely go Waterfall>Surf, and put those Speed EVs in HP, Atk, or Def).

You mentioned it a lot in this set, Infernape and Machamp seriously mess you up (At the time I'm typing this, Rotom's Set and the 6th Pokemon have not been entered yet). A good general solution would probably be Azelf or Starmie, though you may have trouble switching them in. They won't benefit from Hail in the least, but they will help with their Type advantage and Speed. You had mentioned a Jolteon problem, but Mamoswine should be able to handle that, if not Abomasnow or Rotom.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

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Why do you have 5 Pokemon on a team..??

 

[UnownUnknown]

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Why do you have 5 Pokemon on a team..??

Not done typing lol

Edit: Alright, I'm finished typing up my Hail Weather Team! Let the Rating and Grading begin!

 

[ShinyFlareon]

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Walrein is an awesome stall, but this one is completely walled by Vaporeon, outside of Roar. I can't consider Roar an efficient enough counter to such threats, because it may bring them in, or it may be a one-on-one stall fight at the end. I feel like some variation of Sub+Curse may treat it well, especially considering most of its EV investment is in Sp.Def (if you go that way, definitely go Waterfall>Surf, and put those Speed EVs in HP, Atk, or Def).

Walrein is better in Hail because of Ice Body. Leftovers+Ice Body = a shitload of recovered HP every turn. Add that with Protect and Substitute, and in Hail, Walrein is MUCH more of a beast to take down than Vaporeon.

The team, as a whole, looks really good. Just be aware that you can't use Rotom formes on WiFi.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

I can see Metagross and Ttar being your biggest threats as leads. How do you handle them? Also I would personally lead with Abomasnow so that you can actually use Snow Cloak to your advantage right as you bring Frosslas in. But this works too. I could see Blissey and Scizor being your biggest threats along with Scarf Tar mid-to-late game. Also with no SR, anything weak to it is now allowed to switch in as many times as it wants to, especially things like Gyarados on a expected EQ. Oh and I could see Pain Split Gengar as a problem here too because it could sweep you, and also Sub Machamp. I would maybe get Scarf Magnezone to remove the Steel weakness here, Rotom and Frosslas can cover fighting, and fire is taken care of by Tenacruel and Walrien.

 

[UnownUnknown]

I can see Metagross and Ttar being your biggest threats as leads. How do you handle them? Also I would personally lead with Abomasnow so that you can actually use Snow Cloak to your advantage right as you bring Frosslas in. But this works too. I could see Blissey and Scizor being your biggest threats along with Scarf Tar mid-to-late game. Also with no SR, anything weak to it is now allowed to switch in as many times as it wants to, especially things like Gyarados on a expected EQ. Oh and I could see Pain Split Gengar as a problem here too because it could sweep you, and also Sub Machamp. I would maybe get Scarf Magnezone to remove the Steel weakness here, Rotom and Frosslas can cover fighting, and fire is taken care of by Tenacruel and Walrien.

A switch in to Tentacruel can temporarily cut off Metagross' Stealth Rock and screw with its Steel attacks, also Mamoswine can switch in on the first turn to kill off Metagross with a Scarf EQ (able to survive a Bullet Punch).

I used to have a Weavile on this team, but I figured it was a little stupid to have it without any benefit from Hail. Formerly, it was my Ttar counter with Low Kick and Pursuiter/Ghost counter.

During the duration I have Scarf Rotom, I believe I might be able to OHKO Gengar with a Shadow Ball possibly.

 

[coolking503]

On tentacruel, the reason it is so attractive is its ability to use blizard over sludge bomb with 100% accuracy. It helps, with alot more power.

Try using super fang over roar on walrein. It makes the amount of dagame done to the opponent a whole lot more at the start of the match.

To be honest, you really cant deal with tyranitar. Try using dugtrio over mamoswine to kill it and blissey.

 

[UnownUnknown]

On tentacruel, the reason it is so attractive is its ability to use blizard over sludge bomb with 100% accuracy. It helps, with alot more power.

Try using super fang over roar on walrein. It makes the amount of dagame done to the opponent a whole lot more at the start of the match.

To be honest, you really cant deal with tyranitar. Try using dugtrio over mamoswine to kill it and blissey.

Well, eliminating Roar as my only phaze move kinda makes it easier for me to fall to Baton Pass teams and might be a little troubling when there is a DDancers in the midst. Good idea to have Super Fang though, helps eliminate Pokemon who have Leftovers. Nice idea to include Blizzard on my Tentacruel, it'll probably give me an unsuspected offensive boost though, so I'll go test it out.

Edit: Alright - I'm adding Super Fang to Walrein. Removing Surf. (Hail is dealt before leftovers)

 

[rubyy]

i always liked hail teams because they are great against overpowerd dragon types but once you take down that trainers salemence you relize that your all ice team is screwed against some really comonly used types