Rearrange The National Dex

[BillSpringerJr]

If you were asked by Game Freak to rearrange the National Dex how would you do it?

Here is what I would change.

Spoiler

All starters are moved to the top
Pichu goes before Pikachu
Cleffa goes before Clefairy
Igglybuff goes before Jigglypuff
Crobat goes after Golbat
Bellossom goes after Vileplume
Politoed goes after Poliwrath
Slowking goes after Slowbro
Magnezone goes after Magneton
Steelix goes after Onix
Tyrogue goes before Hitmonlee
Hitmontop goes after Hitmonchan
Lickilicky goes after Lickitung
Rhyperior goes after Rhydon
Happiny goes before Chansey
Blissey goes after Chansey
Tangrowth goes after Tangela
Kingdra goes after Seadra
Mime Jr. goes before Mr. Mime
Scizor goes after Scyther
Smoochum goes before Jynx
Elekid goes before Electabuzz
Electivire goes after Electabuzz
Magby goes before Magmar
Magmortar goes after Magmar
Miltank goes after Tauros
Espeon, Umbreon, Leafeon and Glaceon go after Flareon
Porygon2 and Porygon-Z go after Porygon
Munchlax goes before Snorlax
Togekiss goes after Togetic
Azurill goes before Marill
Bonsly goes before Sudowoodo
Ambipom goes after Aipom
Yanmega goes after Yanma
Honchkrow goes after Murkrow
Mismagius goes after Misdreavus
Wynaut goes before Wobbuffet
Gliscor goes after Gligar
Weavile goes after Sneasel
Mamoswine goes after Piloswine
Mantyke goes before Mantine
Gallade goes after Gardevoir
Probopass goes after Nosepass
Budew goes before Roselia
Roserade goes after Roselia
Dusknoir goes after Dusclops
Chingling goes before Chimecho
Froslass goes after Glalie
All pseudo-legendaries go at the end
All the legendaries go at the end after the pseudo-legendaries.

Summary;

Spoiler

Starters go first, pre/post evos go with their respective family so they're no longer separated by number, Miltank goes after Tauros, the eeveelutions go together, the pseudo legendaries go second to last and the legendaries are listed last.

 

[Olaf-symbiote]

I'd only rearrange evolutions/pre-evos, myself. I don't mind about the starters/legendaries/pseudo-legendaries being where they currently are. Oh, and Victini should really be Pokémon #000 even in the National Dex

 

[Ramphorynchoid]

Well, if I were to rearrange the dex, one thing I'd do is make it so that Nidoran M and F are the same species, just with gender differences, and treat their evolutions sort of like Gardevoir and Gallade (spelling?). Sure, we'd have to remove one number from the the list, but it would make more sense, and let us breed Nidoran males (unless they already fixed that. I haven't tried it yet).

 

[BillSpringerJr]

Well, if I were to rearrange the dex, one thing I'd do is make it so that Nidoran M and F are the same species, just with gender differences, and treat their evolutions sort of like Gardevoir and Gallade (spelling?). Sure, we'd have to remove one number from the the list, but it would make more sense, and let us breed Nidoran males (unless they already fixed that. I haven't tried it yet).

Also, they should make it so Nidorina and Nidoqueen can breed too. Its pretty odd that the baby of the family is the only one that can breed eggs.

 

[Proxima Centauri B]

Id just keep all evolutionary families together ( ex. Pichu>Pikachu>Raichu; Snorunt>Glalie>Froslass) and have Event Pokemon at the very end. Im not all that picky about the Nat Dex, but Id like all evolutinoary families like I described to be together.

 

[Paris]

I'd put Arceus last.​

 

[TheCableGuy]

Well, if I were to rearrange the dex, one thing I'd do is make it so that Nidoran M and F are the same species, just with gender differences, and treat their evolutions sort of like Gardevoir and Gallade (spelling?). Sure, we'd have to remove one number from the the list, but it would make more sense, and let us breed Nidoran males (unless they already fixed that. I haven't tried it yet).

As Difficult as it may be to understand, it actually makes sense that they are separate Species when you consider a divergence evolution theory.

The real question is why is it that Nidoqueen is the one not able to breed, instead of Nidoking, as one would assume predicted by the divergence evolution theory.

 

[Luminosity]

I think of the two Nidoran lines as an example of more extensive sexual dimorphism, which we see also in other types of Pokemon, such as Unfezant and Frillish for example. But I think it would be a pain to combine the two lines (and really caring about how well Pokemon and biology fits would just introduce a lot of headaches).

I don't care whether all the starters are combined or whether all the legendaries are combined, but I would like to see evolutionary families together.

 

[OceanicWildfire]

Personally, I think the national dex. would be good either way as long as the regional dex. would stay in numerical order. I think an option that allows you to swap off between the two versions would be nice to have, though.

In my opinion, the separation between the Nidos' is appropriate if you consider all the differences between the two genders.

 

[Ramphorynchoid]

As Difficult as it may be to understand, it actually makes sense that they are separate Species when you consider a divergence evolution theory.

The real question is why is it that Nidoqueen is the one not able to breed, instead of Nidoking, as one would assume predicted by the divergence evolution theory.

May you please elaborate a bit, or point me to something that might help me understand this a little more?
I might be able to understand this (I do know a little on this general subject), but my brain doesn't seem to want to grasp what you said.

 

[TheCableGuy]

May you please elaborate a bit, or point me to something that might help me understand this a little more?
I might be able to understand this (I do know a little on this general subject), but my brain doesn't seem to want to grasp what you said.

Well, I'll try my best.

Basically, it's like this. The Theory is that Pokemon Evolution is always in Motion;
As Pokemon gain newer Evolutions as time goes by, first Stage evolutions tend to fall off,
getting replaced by later Evolutions or becoming extinct (much like real-life evolution theory.)

In the case of Nidoran, Nidoran is once thought to have been a single species,
But over time, their each respected species diverged, specializing along gender.
This is prior to there being a Nidorino/Nidorina 2rd stage Evolution,
whichcame about as a result of the gender specialization and
Nidoking/Nidoqueen arose when Moonstones were introduced.

As a result, the original species of Nidoran that was composed of both Genders now no longer exists,
Only Nidoran (male) and Nidoran (female) remains.

 

[BillSpringerJr]

May you please elaborate a bit, or point me to something that might help me understand this a little more?
I might be able to understand this (I do know a little on this general subject), but my brain doesn't seem to want to grasp what you said.

Well, I'll try my best.

Basically, it's like this. The Theory is that Pokemon Evolution is always in Motion;
As Pokemon gain newer Evolutions as time goes by, first Stage evolutions tend to fall off,
getting replaced by later Evolutions or becoming extinct (much like real-life evolution theory.)

In the case of Nidoran, Nidoran is once thought to have been a single species,
But over time, their each respected species diverged, specializing along gender.
This is prior to there being a Nidorino/Nidorina 2rd stage Evolution,
whichcame about as a result of the gender specialization and
Nidoking/Nidoqueen arose when Moonstones were introduced.

As a result, the original species of Nidoran that was composed of both Genders now no longer exists,
Only Nidoran (male) and Nidoran (female) remains.

Makes sense to me. Now all they need to do is make the original Nidoran a fossil Pokémon.

You think the original looked more like a Nidoran, Nidorina/o, or Nidoqueen/king?

 

[TheCableGuy]

Makes sense to me. Now all they need to do is make the original Nidoran a fossil Pokémon.

You think the original looked more like a Nidoran, Nidorina/o, or Nidoqueen/king?

Whether or not Nidoran (m)/(f) were actually "evolutions" of the Prior Pokemon or if they actually
arose from with-in the same Species as gender differentiating forms could be debated.
Personally, I'd vote the latter.

So, more then likely, the Species in which Nidoran(m)/(f) originated from was more similar to Nidoran.

 

[BillSpringerJr]

Makes sense to me. Now all they need to do is make the original Nidoran a fossil Pokémon.

You think the original looked more like a Nidoran, Nidorina/o, or Nidoqueen/king?

Whether or not Nidoran (m)/(f) were actually "evolutions" of the Prior Pokemon or if they actually
arose from with-in the same Species as gender differentiating forms could be debated.
Personally, I'd vote the latter.

So, more then likely, the Species in which Nidoran(m)/(f) originated from was more similar to Nidoran.

Do you this at one point Plusle and Minun shared an ancestor?

 

[TheCableGuy]

Do you this at one point Plusle and Minun shared an ancestor?

Highly likely.

Although there is a Theory that they are a form of parallel, symbiotic co-evolution
although that theory still includes (or at least doesn't discount) a common ancestor.
Such a theory states that their Plus/Minus aspects evolved only after branching off of a single species
and the development of their each respective Polarity is a result of their Symbiotic Relationship.

Then again, it's also possible that both are a form of spontaneously generated Life-forms
embodiments of Electricity and as such, have no previous original ancestor.
We've seen that before and we know that Pokemon have all kinds of Origins.

 

[Ramphorynchoid]

Well, I'll try my best.

Basically, it's like this. The Theory is that Pokemon Evolution is always in Motion;
As Pokemon gain newer Evolutions as time goes by, first Stage evolutions tend to fall off,
getting replaced by later Evolutions or becoming extinct (much like real-life evolution theory.)

In the case of Nidoran, Nidoran is once thought to have been a single species,
But over time, their each respected species diverged, specializing along gender.
This is prior to there being a Nidorino/Nidorina 2rd stage Evolution,
whichcame about as a result of the gender specialization and
Nidoking/Nidoqueen arose when Moonstones were introduced.

As a result, the original species of Nidoran that was composed of both Genders now no longer exists,
Only Nidoran (male) and Nidoran (female) remains.

Okay, I see what you're saying. I have an alternative idea to how at least some Pokemon might have arose (though my idea is not necessarily incompatible with the one you presented), but that idea you gave could also explain why some species have baby forms that are actually harder to obtain than the normal Pokemon, right?

 

[TheCableGuy]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I have an alternative idea to how at least some Pokemon might have arose (though my idea is not necessarily incompatible with the one you presented), but that idea you gave could also explain why some species have baby forms that are actually harder to obtain than the normal Pokemon, right?

That's what I'm thinking, yea.

Pokemon such as Snorlax have "Stabilized" onto a single Evolutionary stage,
which results in Snorlax only laying Eggs that will Hatch into Snorlax.
But Snorlax still retains the DNA of it's pre-evolution Munchlax
Which is how it can be brought out and causes Snorlax to lay a Munchlax egg.

If we project this onto a Pokemon to potentially follow the same pattern
It's possible that Gyarados may one day phase-out it's Magikarp Stage
resulting in Gyarados becoming a 1-stage Pokemon and Magikarp becoming extinct.

Of course, much would have to happen to cause this result, including
(but not limited to) Gyarados becoming the Dominate evolutionary stage
as well as Magikarp becoming far fewer in number. So, not likely to happen.

 

[BillSpringerJr]

Okay, I see what you're saying. I have an alternative idea to how at least some Pokemon might have arose (though my idea is not necessarily incompatible with the one you presented), but that idea you gave could also explain why some species have baby forms that are actually harder to obtain than the normal Pokemon, right?

That's what I'm thinking, yea.

Pokemon such as Snorlax have "Stabilized" onto a single Evolutionary stage,
which results in Snorlax only laying Eggs that will Hatch into Snorlax.
But Snorlax still retains the DNA of it's pre-evolution Munchlax
Which is how it can be brought out and causes Snorlax to lay a Munchlax egg.

If we project this onto a Pokemon to potentially follow the same pattern
It's possible that Gyarados may one day phase-out it's Magikarp Stage
resulting in Gyarados becoming a 1-stage Pokemon and Magikarp becoming extinct.

Of course, much would have to happen to cause this result, including
(but not limited to) Gyarados becoming the Dominate evolutionary stage
as well as Magikarp becoming far fewer in number. So, not likely to happen.

I'm gonna start calling you The Professor. XD

 

[FreeXax]

I can agree with you to an extent. But imagine how the pokedex would be. It would be grass, fire, water for six cycles. Kind of would be weird.
In that dex, I would see the flying natives being moved next to each other.