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Red Gyarados WTF?

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Alright, there had better be a bloody good storyline to explain why this wretched thing is back. If what serebii says is true (as always) then I wanna see some sort of time portal or something else exciting as the reason the abomination has returned.
 
Let's see... the local Pokémon expert specialises in evolution, the Red Gyarados was a artificially-evolved Magikarp...
 
Stop right there. Who said this thing was artificially evolved, huh? It may be really rare, but shinies can occur naturally, too. For such a rare occurance to be reported in a TV program would still make sense. However, I am still thinking this is random game script and you don't actually see a red Gyarados there.
 
Zhen Lin said:
Let's see... the local Pokémon expert specialises in evolution, the Red Gyarados was a artificially-evolved Magikarp...
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Prof. Elm is, too, an expert specializing in evolution, even if he chooses to delve into Eggs more so than new evolution means. Other than that, the Red Gyarados might have not been part of the artificial evolution plan, since in the games, it was not referenced by Lance or Team Rocket.

As for Diamond and Pearl, it is important to observe that Red Gyarados would not necessarily have to come back. Granted, for players of the Gold, Silver and Crystal games, Red Gyarados will be a familiar sight. But from a storyline perspective, it is quite likely that Diamond and Pearl are set three years after Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, which means three years after FireRed and LeafGreen (and the original games), which in turns means the same time period as Gold, Silver and Crystal. If the Red Gyarados appears at the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, only to disappear after the Mukkuru attack, then we will undoubtedly be left to speculate that it is heading to Johto's Lake of Rage from Shin'ou's Trust Lake.

After all, Red Gyarados appears at a relatively late point in Gold, Silver and Crystal, as opposed to the beginning. In those games, its presence was left mysterious -- only the induced evolution of the resident Magikarp was touched upon in the story. There was no telling whether Red Gyarados had merely evolved from a Golden Magikarp that was essentially the same as the others; the Red Scale seemed to suggest there was more to the picture, but even that was not explained in those games (Mr. Pokémon was only interested in exchanging Prof. Oak's Exp. Share for it).

Therefore, I do not believe that Red Gyarados will actually be available for capture in Diamond and Pearl, but hopefully, some further background will be provided beyond the initial TV report.
 
<i>But from a storyline perspective, it is quite likely that Diamond and Pearl are set three years after Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, which means three years after FireRed and LeafGreen (and the original games), which in turns means the same time period as Gold, Silver and Crystal.</i>

Based on what?

In my opinion, the red Gyarados is just a "coincedental" reference - something for older fans to get nostalgic about.
 
Misty said:
Based on what?

In my opinion, the red Gyarados is just a "coincedental" reference - something for older fans to get nostalgic about.
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Based on the fact that Ruby and Sapphire's references to Kanto and Johto, which used to be deemed as "coincidental", have been put into perspective since FireRed and LeafGreen (with Emerald sealing the deal) -- the Hoenn story is parallel to that of Kanto.
 
I'd agree with Misty. Especially since these are the 10th Anniversary games. It's pretty likely we'll get nods to all three past Generations because of that.

Coming up with contrived responses to them is rather pointless when they're obviously little more than fanservicey bonuses. And even more pointless when you're throwing about stuff like R/S being set "three years after Fr/Lg" when there's nothing at all stating that, nor does the time at which the games are set really matter since, aside from Gold and Silver, the games are all stand-alone and have nothing to do with the previous games.
 
Doctor Oak said:
And even more pointless when you're throwing about stuff like R/S being set "three years after Fr/Lg" when there's nothing at all stating that, nor does the time at which the games are set really matter since, aside from Gold and Silver, the games are all stand-alone and have nothing to do with the previous games.
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Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald are set in the same time period as FireRed and LeafGreen (and the original games); it should be as clear as Gold, Silver and Crystal's relationship with those games.

I would get into the various details that prove as much, but I would like to see if I am really the only one here to have realized that Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald are not standalone per say, and that FireRed and LeafGreen were not conceived for the sole interest of expanding the aforementioned games with otherwise unobtainable Pokémon.

Diamond and Pearl can obviously not be judged at this point in time, but passing them off as anniversary editions that are not really part of the series, is a tad peculiar in my eyes.
 
It's not a terrible assumption that RSE and RBY are in the same timeline - if you consider that the trading device on Sevii islands merely mentions distance and not time, it should be apparent that Hoenn and Kanto are merely seperated by great distances and not any significant amount of time. That's fine.

The problem is when you claimed DP would follow GSC by being 3 years after RSE; you have no basis for that.
 
Unown Lord said:
But from a storyline perspective, it is quite likely that Diamond and Pearl are set three years after Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald, which means three years after FireRed and LeafGreen (and the original games), which in turns means the same time period as Gold, Silver and Crystal. If the Red Gyarados appears at the beginning of Diamond and Pearl, only to disappear after the Mukkuru attack, then we will undoubtedly be left to speculate that it is heading to Johto's Lake of Rage from Shin'ou's Trust Lake.
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You don't even know Pokemon Games Timeline!
RGBY is 3 years before GSC
FRLG is in the same time as RGBY
GSC is 3 years after
RSE is 2-3 years AFTER GSC.

Your timeline was a popular fan-belief. My one is a canon!

The Hoenn - Kanto trading was a superneccessary thing to catch all Pokemon in Generation III but it caused big plot hole. The Nintendo didn't too much think about it. It was such a giant mistake confusing many fans!
 
Maxim said:
You don't even know Pokemon Games Timeline!
RGBY is 3 years before GSC
FRLG is in the same time as RGBY
GSC is 3 years after
RSE is 2-3 years AFTER GSC.

Your timeline was a popular fan-belief. My one is a canon!
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And your proof that the 3rd Gen games are set 2-3 years after the 2nd Gen is....where? In your imagination? Delightful.
 
Luna Tiger said:
And your proof that the 3rd Gen games are set 2-3 years after the 2nd Gen is....where? In your imagination? Delightful.
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It wasn't funny.
And where is the proof that RGBY is in the same time is RSE? There is not one!!!!

Ah, I forgot the main rule. Everything what is said by user is a stupid fanon speculation. How could I forget this?! I'm so silly.
 
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It's based on the fact that FR/LG are (with the exception of a few additions) direct ports of RBY (unless the male trainer has had a son in your 6 year time span). And since you can direct trade (i.e., no "time machine") to RSE, it's reasonable to think that RBY and RSE take place at the same time. Although there's no real proof for either one (unless I'm missing something).
 
I don't know. Maybe the fact you can trade from Ru/Sa/E to FR/LG and it isn't across time? Also, there is no script at all in any of Ru/Sa/E to say what time frame it's in. You may say plot hole, but the answer is obvious to me and most of everyone else, too. They exist in the time frame. D/P, we also don't know what it's time frame is, even if it has one. The transfer system isn't helping us there, either, as it's an entirely new system. Does it matter what time frame D/P is in anyway? It seems to me that since Ru/Sa, the timeline established by the first and second gens no longer matters.
 
Here's my theory...

You know their is speculation the trio of ledgends may be Serpents? What if one of them happenes to be mistaken for a Red Gyrados by the media? Afterall, the site says you see a "ledgendary" in the lake.
 
You know, if we could visit Johto in Diamond and Pearl, I'd be a happy man.

But I think RSE and FRLG take place at the same time. It just makes a lot of sense that way.
 
^^ That would be very cool!

King of the Internet said:
Here's my theory...

You know their is speculation the trio of ledgends may be Serpents? What if one of them happenes to be mistaken for a Red Gyrados by the media? Afterall, the site says you see a "ledgendary" in the lake.
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That actually makes sense, but something has to happen with the red gyrados to be able to tell that it isn't the right legendary.. I can't wait for this game XD
 
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