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Religion: the (easy) answer to everything

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Imagine the world, thousands of years ago when rainforests still covered most of South America, when oil reserves remained untouched, when subsistence farming maintained your standard of living and not corporate profits; life was a harsh, but simpler existence. Imagine an individual (let us call him Fred); his brain is as complex as the human brain today, and it is curious about the wonders that surround him.

Suppose Fred were to question how the world works; why he is able to walk without falling over? why it rains sometimes and not others? He observes that the land is level as far as he can see and reasonably concludes the world is flat, and that is why he can walk without falling. However, he cannot understand why rainfall is inconsistant, because his senses and knowledge (or lack thereof) prohibit him from identifying a terrestrial cause.

Would it be unreasonable then, for him to take a leap of faith? To believe that the cause is something he cannot comprehend? And that something to be a superbeing; a god. Fred tells his community about his beliefs and they agree, feeling the need to belong and seeing no viable alternative. Remember, consensus is an inaccurate measure of truth.

Now imagine this scenario played out over and over, in a different location isolated from the first, with a different race of people, in a different period of history, with a different Fred. Essentially, each community, faced with the same cunundrum of how does the world work, "finds god" and creates a religion to explain everything that they do not understand. The solution is fundamentally identical yet entirely different because inevitably, the finer details will vary.

This explains why there are so many different religions in the world; they are individually the easy answer to everything for a particular group of people. So could any religion be the correct answer? And failing that, is religion a "good" answer? The former is entirely possible, but highly improbable. Even if we treat the existence of a superbeing as given, there are so many variables to consider, that the possible accuracy of any one religion is infinitely minute.

The latter question is a far more complex and inconclusive affair. If we define "good" as "relatively productive for society", then religious behaviour brings various positives and negatives. Many people readily accept religion for reasons beyond lack of understanding; primarily, it offers comfort in the form of social acceptence by at least a proportion of their peers, and it offers hope. These factors serve to increase private happiness and a happy person is more likely to be a productive person. Undeniably, religions have ecouraged integration both within and across demographics.

However, there is damning historical evidence that supports the exact opposite. The Christian Crusades, the Holocaust and the current Middle East Crisis all testify to the horrors when one sect acts upon their differences to another. This is reflective of inate defensive human behaviour and explains why there are not more religions; some communities were converted, others destroyed/died out and sometimes, similar ideas merged. Therefore, on a local scale (only one exists), religion is productive for society, but on a global scale (with more than one), it has proven to be destructive.

So what conclusions can we now draw about religion? It is certainly an easy option for a substantial proportion of the global population, as an answer to any question that people do not understand or know. There is virtually zero probability of any one religion being correct, and all of them are likely to be rubbish. This does not mean that they are "bad" for society. Indeed, if people can only set aside their differences, religion would benefit not only the religious, but everyone.
 
I don't think it is unreasonable for the man to take a leap of faith. After all, science sprung from religion (like alchemy turned to chemistry and astrology turned to astronomy). It's not a bad beginning but without further investigation it becomes just as maladaptive as ignorance.

I think religion has been an important motivator and that's why it survived and was passed on. Note that many cultures that felt the old gods did not quite do it for them changed (even before you take religious imperialism into account) or got rid of them. Religion, despite what right-wingers say (of any religion) adapts to the times and the culture. Modern American Christians will never believe the same way the Founders did 2000 years ago. It's impossible. God may not change but His followers sure do, and really that's good for the survival of mankind. Yes, wars have been fought, but if religion didn't evolve at all people wouldn't stop warring. It was the populace, not the kings, who stopped the Crusades when they realized it was a stupid idea and they were lied to about the true reasons for going (ahem). I am reminded of Uncle from Jackie Chan's Adventures (bear with me here): Magic must defeat magic. It seems to be infinitely easier to change another's religious ideas (particularly if they're destructive) with other religious ideas than to use secular ones.
 
Religion is ANYTHING but an easy answer to everything. If anything, Religion takes a lot more faith to believe than Sciene. So really, SCIENCE is the easy answer to everything. Science gives people a reason to NOT obey the laws of relgion, cause they think the laws are too hard to follow. "Wait, I cant sleep with a different person every night, and if I do, I go to hell. Well, I say there IS no God. THIS is how the world came about." Well, I see Science as something that needs to go ALONGSIDE religion. Man didnt have to INVENT religion, it was GIVEN to us by God. Yeah, you probably will argue that I cannot prove it, and that is true. BUT, I'd like you to PROVE that Religion is wrong, that I am wrong to believe in religion. Sure, you can throw me 100's of scientific opinions as to why there is no God, and I can throw you just as many that say the opposite. Sciene can decieve. I mean, centuries ago, people thought that it was a scientific fact that the world was FLAT. As more and more sciene gets discovered, older theories about how the world got here could be put to rest. So, really, Scientific theories on how the world got here will remain just that, theories forever. As the centuries pass, those theories will change. But religion, that will last forever. Its lasted LONGER than science has, and despite the rise of science recently, Relgion still stands strong, through trial and persucution. That alone, is enough to know that Religion has something behind it.
 
Religion is ANYTHING but an easy answer to everything. If anything, Religion takes a lot more faith to believe than Sciene. So really, SCIENCE is the easy answer to everything. Science gives people a reason to NOT obey the laws of relgion, cause they think the laws are too hard to follow. "Wait, I cant sleep with a different person every night, and if I do, I go to hell. Well, I say there IS no God. THIS is how the world came about." Well, I see Science as something that needs to go ALONGSIDE religion. Man didnt have to INVENT religion, it was GIVEN to us by God. Yeah, you probably will argue that I cannot prove it, and that is true. BUT, I'd like you to PROVE that Religion is wrong, that I am wrong to believe in religion. Sure, you can throw me 100's of scientific opinions as to why there is no God, and I can throw you just as many that say the opposite. Sciene can decieve. I mean, centuries ago, people thought that it was a scientific fact that the world was FLAT. As more and more sciene gets discovered, older theories about how the world got here could be put to rest. So, really, Scientific theories on how the world got here will remain just that, theories forever. As the centuries pass, those theories will change. But religion, that will last forever. Its lasted LONGER than science has, and despite the rise of science recently, Relgion still stands strong, through trial and persucution. That alone, is enough to know that Religion has something behind it.
You're an idiot.
 
Is Mozz changing or am I? Because I agree with him more and more lately.
 
Have I been pro-religion? ._.;
 
Have I been pro-religion? ._.;

Yes, you usually act like you LOVE religion.

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Mozz acts like the souless capitalism version of Karl Marx in respects to religion.
 
Science gives people a reason to NOT obey the laws of relgion, cause they think the laws are too hard to follow. "Wait, I cant sleep with a different person every night, and if I do, I go to hell. Well, I say there IS no God. THIS is how the world came about."

Secular people don't normally rationalize that way. We don't deny religion so we can do what we want, we deny religion because we don't believe in that particular deity/belief system. Behavior really has nothing to do with it.

Man didnt have to INVENT religion, it was GIVEN to us by God. Yeah, you probably will argue that I cannot prove it, and that is true. BUT, I'd like you to PROVE that Religion is wrong, that I am wrong to believe in religion.

It is not the responsibility of the one not making the claim. Should you have to prove I'm wrong when I say there is an invisible man in the corner of the room? It would be absurd for me to make that claim and then expect you to prove me wrong.

As more and more sciene gets discovered, older theories about how the world got here could be put to rest.

However, isn't it funny that all the scientific discoveries that have happened in the past several centuries have done nothing but move our understanding of the universe away from religion?

But religion, that will last forever.

No, religion will die when the last of its believers die.
 
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I mean, centuries ago, people thought that it was a scientific fact that the world was FLAT.

It was NEVER a scientific fact that the world was flat. That's a myth propogated to make Colombus look like a hero. And it's sad that people still believe it.

As the centuries pass, those theories will change. But religion, that will last forever.

Religion changes just as often as science does. But, in both cases, the basic principles stay the same. You can't judge the small facets of science against the broader picture of religion. Science changes. Religion changes. Big difference is that when science changes, peoples lives are horribly disrupted.

Its lasted LONGER than science has, and despite the rise of science recently, Relgion still stands strong, through trial and persucution.

Science and religion have the same basic roots. Science is merely people taking a look at cause and effect instead of saying something happened.

"The rise of science recently"? What the fuck does that even mean? Science hasn't "risen" anymore lately than it has over the past 500 years (longer if you don't specify the western world).

And WHAT trial and persecution? The Spanish Inquisition? The Crusades? The Reformation? Or are we talking about 2000 years ago when the Romans were killing everyone who didn't follow their leadership?
 
I forget who it was but the girth of the earth was found centuries before Colombus took to the sea. Sailors were more afraid of sea monsters they'd try to one up each other with in taverns.

And religion has changed and continues to change. (Being a "Luther"an I'm a testiment to that fact.)
 
I forget who it was but the girth of the earth was found centuries before Colombus took to the sea. Sailors were more afraid of sea monsters they'd try to one up each other with in taverns.

And religion has changed and continues to change. (Being a "Luther"an I'm a testiment to that fact.)

Religion doesnt change. SURE, some people break away from a religion, but that doesnt change the religion they broke away from. And SCIENCE changes and still changes. Like right now, Evolution seems to be a "fact" to some scientists, yet, I'm willing to bet that they will be buying some other theory a few hundred years from now. Sorry but, Religion at least provides answers ro questions, whereas Science does not. Whether or not the explanation is true, Religion can provide one, something Science cannot.
 
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Religion doesnt change. SURE, some people break away from a religion, but that doesnt change the religion they broke away from.

Religion changes. If it didn't, Christianity wouldn't exist.

And SCIENCE changes and still changes.

Science changes to match our understanding of the world. Scientists admit to being wrong. They never claim to know everything. That's why science changes. That's why science pre-dates all of the current major religions.

Like right now, Evolution seems to be a "fact" to some scientists, yet, I'm willing to bet that they will be buying some other theory a few hundred years from now.

And over the past two hundred years the way the Bible has been interpreted has changed so many times that it makes my head spin. Science is like religion. The interpretations may change, but the source material stays the same.

Sorry but, Religion at least provides answers ro questions, whereas Science does not.

Explain gravity using JUST RELIGION.

Whether or not the explanation is true, Religion can provide one, something Science cannot.

You DO realize that that statement makes NO SENSE, right?
 
Explain gravity using JUST RELIGION.
This sounded like a fun challenge. :)

"God is stretching the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7) Over 3,000 years ago, the Bible correctly noted that the earth has no visible support, a fact that is in harmony with the laws of gravity and motion, which are described in detail in Newton's Principia.

Religion at least provides answers ro questions, whereas Science does not. Whether or not the explanation is true, Religion can provide one, something Science cannot.
Are you arguing, as Stephen Jay Gould did, that religion and science are two separate and distinct entities, and that each is necessary for humankind to understand the world? Gould uses the term 'non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA)' in his book Rocks of Ages.
 
Ok, I want Sciene to explain why we have oxygen, I also want Sciene to explain, the miracles performed by Religion.

Gravity, hmmmmm, well without Gravity we would just float away, wouldnt we? I guess God actually thought outside the box when he made the earth, eh?


People who try to denounce religion, they just dont WANT to believe in it. So they use faulty science theories, and pass them off as irrefutable facts, with no evidence to support them. All they do is show stuff to SUGGEST it. But evolution can never be proven because nobody was around to actually see it happen. I'm sure there will be some other atheist theory that will pop up in a few hundred years, something like we evolved from the dinosaurs, or we crawled out from under a rock, and something like that, and I'll bet that there will be "evidence" to support it too/
 
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People who try to denounce science, they just dont WANT to believe in it. So they use faulty religious theories, and pass them off as irrefutable facts, with no evidence to support them. All they do is show stuff to SUGGEST it. But creationism can never be proven because nobody was around to actually see it happen. I'm sure there will be some other atheist theory that will pop up in a few hundred years, something like we evolved from the dinosaurs, or we crawled out from under a rock, and something like that, and I'll bet that there will be "evidence" to support it too/

I also notice that the statement actually sounds more valid as I have edited it. *is amused*
 
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