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Do you remember when Lugia was the Beast of the Sea? When Ho-Oh ruled the skies, Celebi controlled time, and Mew was the Original One? Who misses Johto? :-(

What are some things you've notice change throughout the series that you wish hadn't?

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Lugia is still the Beast of the Sea. The sea that Kyogre created.

Ho-oh never ruled the skies.

Celebi never controlled time. It just travelled through it.

Mew is still the ancestor of all Pokemon except Arceus, Dragon Trio and the Lake Trio. And also all other Legendaries too.
 
Ranger Jack Walker said:
Lugia is still the Beast of the Sea. The sea that Kyogre created.

Ho-oh never ruled the skies.

Celebi never controlled time. It just travelled through it.

Mew is still the ancestor of all Pokemon except Arceus, Dragon Trio and the Lake Trio. And also all other Legendaries too.
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Technically all true (although the last one is hotly debated), but my point is that the sentiments of all these Pokemon have changed. They have all been "demoted" in the minds of the fans since they were originally introduced.
 
Master Mew said:
Technically all true (although the last one is hotly debated), but my point is that the sentiments of all these Pokemon have changed. They have all been "demoted" in the minds of the fans since they were originally introduced.
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Not in the mind of me. The Johto Legendaries are still the best in my book. I don't even pay attention to the new legendaries. They all look too much like overdone robotic monsters.
 
It seems that the Pokemon universe is getting to complecated.

I mean in Gen1, everyone used to think Mew was the ancestor of pokemon, but then arcues(sorry for spelling) comes along.
 
Your opinion is your opinion but denying the newer Legendaries' existence is just foolish.
 
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Not in the mind of me. The Johto Legendaries are still the best in my book. I don't even pay attention to the new legendaries. They all look too much like overdone robotic monsters.
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Yes, I agree that the Kanto and Johto legendaries were the best in the series, but I don't ignore the newer ones - on the contrary, I fantasize about Lugia Aeroblasting Arceus on a regular basis :lol:
 
GolduckGuy said:
Not in the mind of me. The Johto Legendaries are still the best in my book. I don't even pay attention to the new legendaries. They all look too much like overdone robotic monsters.
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You stole the words out of my mouth.
When I saw most of the new legendaries I though "Digimon is that U ?"
And yet, even Digimon didn't look like that.
As far as I am concerned, Nothing can beast the first generation legendaries, and the Johto legendaries. They all makes much more sense, were way more coller and...they looked like legendary Pokemon.
Now it's all about looking like the Power Rangers's pets. Seriously, those aren't Pokemon :/

Now if denying the new legendary is foolish who cares ? It's all about milking the cash cow, and we are anyway plenty who are still holding The Johto legendaries in much higher regard.
 
Master Mew said:
WOW, I'm impressed! I've never seen someone be so tolerant and so not in the same sentence! ;-)
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I don't have a problem with someone not liking(or hating) a pokemon.

But some of the reasons they give are plain stupid.

Anyway, this thread is just another "New Pokemon Suck" thread. A milder version, though. I shall now leave and not bother posting here again.
 
Ranger Jack Walker said:
I don't have a problem with someone not liking(or hating) a pokemon.

But some of the reasons they give are plain stupid.
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Thanks for leaving on a friendly note :)

Ranger Jack Walker said:
Anyway, this thread is just another "New Pokemon Suck" thread. A milder version, though. I shall now leave and not bother posting here again.
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This thread is discussing apparent changes in the themes/direction of the Pokemon series as it has progressed, new Pokemon are only part of this.
 
Just back for a moment.

Whatever you're thoughs were when creating this thread, I have very few doubts that people will post here saying new Pokemon suck. Conversely, some will claim they don't. And it will drag on for pages. I say this because I've experienced this on this forum before.
 
Why do we care? They're rare beasts that look awesome and rule over different elements. Whoopdie-doo. I respect people's opinions but there's no reason to whine about which reigion had the best legendaries.
 
Personally I prefer the newer Legendaries like Zekrom and Reshiram to the older ones. Don't get me wrong I've been with the series since Red & Blue, but to be honest Ho-Oh and Lugia bored me. Yes Beast of the Sea is all fine and dandy but if you take a look at Reshiram, who heats the earths Atmosphere, there's much more creativity.

I really do think the series has changed for the better, but that's just my opinion now isn't it?
 
Arceus not being the god pokemon because I believe Mew is the goddess of all the 493 pokemon Arceus stole her role! :-( plus Mew's adorable and I prefer adorableness over toughness
 
Master Mew said:
Technically all true (although the last one is hotly debated), but my point is that the sentiments of all these Pokemon have changed. They have all been "demoted" in the minds of the fans since they were originally introduced.
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No, its clear that fans like you put them high up on a pedestal where they didn't belong.

There is no reason Mew is supposedly the "god" of all the Pokemon like a few people thought (and still think). It's never referenced in the games and its due to scientific study in their world that Mew is known as the ancestor of Pokemon. The most evidence we have is that tablet in the first movie of Mew, even then it doesn't mean it was revered.

Who misses Johto? I think you mean "Who misses Gen II" as Johto is still around and those Pokemon still exist. The only difference now is that its two generations later and other Pokemon exist as well.

EDIT: And this thread is a perfect example of what I was talking about:

volcanic said:
It seems that the Pokemon universe is getting to complecated.

I mean in Gen1, everyone used to think Mew was the ancestor of pokemon, but then arcues(sorry for spelling) comes along.
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Everyone didn't think that, it was blatantly stated in the Pokedex. Nothing's changed about that fact. Arceus didn't one-up Mew because Mew was a scientific discovery in the Pokemon world. Arceus is a creator god in an ancient religion in Sinnoh. Those two aren't interchangeable.

Not to mention this thread.

Then there's also the case of everyone equating legendaries with gods, when very few of them are. The Japanese categorization have a few subcategories for legendaries and a lot of them probably fall under "Mirage Pokemon", basically they are what cryptids are in our world, except while their existence is disputed, they actually exist.

Legendary Pokemon aren't the only thing in the series called gods as Bronzong's dex entry (more apparent in the JP one) claims it was worshiped in the past as a god of harvest.
 
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They're not demoted. They just don't serve as plot points thus we don't hear from them.
 
complain complain whine rant whine complain nostalgia sob complain whine

Jesus, is that all any fan is good at doing these days? ._. Johto is the biggest disappointment out there. Pokemon, as well as the legendaries, became far more interesting.
 
i do wish ash evolved his cyndaquil. (go typhlosion!) but the new legendaries, well that suck, thay look so robotic and dumb. look at mew, does it look like a robot EX. dialga/palkia/arcuius.:sweat:*thinking-stupid weird pokemon*
 
Somari said:
They're not demoted. They just don't serve as plot points thus we don't hear from them.
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You know, except in the most recent games that actually made Ho-Oh and Lugia more relevant to the plot (though it seems more canon for Ho-Oh but that's okay, Lugia got XD) than their original games, Celebi activating an event (and one of those giving closure to an old fan question) over two games and Mew being given out as a tenth anniversary Pokemon for HgSs (and Pokemon Ranch).

Or in Gen III when Ho-Oh made a cameo appearance at the end of Colosseum and was able to get captured as well in an arguably larger role than the original GSC where the Pokemon just showed up, and Celebi being included in the game through Time flutes (and a Bonus disc for JP games) and expanding its role to being able to purify Pokemon.

Or in Colosseum's sequel where Lugia was actually a major plot point, giving it a role larger than any of the main series games.

While I'm not sure if this was release in Japan, the Faraway Island basically gave some insight to Mew's nature and indirectly expanded a minor NPC's role, combined with some data in FrLg, can be concluded that this was where the Mew that gave its DNA to make Mewtwo came from. If we're not counting event appearances, then Arceus is pretty much shafted as well.

But you know, other than Colosseum, XD and the remakes of GSC, in which all their roles were expanded, those Pokemon haven't been seen at all...except in every generation since their appearance.

Yeah, forgotten. I mean Game Freak didn't even try to expand their roles...oh wait

So to answer your question, what I've noticed is that Game freak got better at handling legendaries, and they didn't forget about their original creations and even expanded their roles when they realistically could (though it wasn't really Game Freak who did the GC games).
 
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