Remix Room ~ A Trick Room team in Doubles

[Tina]

I don't have much knowledge about it, but here goes..

Gardevoir @ Leftovers
Nature: Sassy
Ability: Synchronize (CANNOT change, do NOT list Trace, please!!! :|)
EVs: 252 HP, 70 SpAtk, 176 SpDef
~ Trick Room
~ Wish
~ Psychic
~ Focus Blast / Calm Mind
>> Weak to: Ghost, Dark and Bug

Rhyperior @ Expert Belt
Nature: Brave
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 SpDef
~ Hammer Arm
~ Rock Slide
~ Swords Dance
~ Crunch
>> Weak to: Grass, Ground, Steel, Fighting, Ice and Water

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed / Sassy / Quiet
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP, 68 Def, 92 SpA, 96 SpD
~ Trick Room
~ Thunderbolt
~ Tri Attack / Ice Beam
~ Recover
>> Weak to: Fighting

Tangrowth @ Choice Specs
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Leaf Guard (To not get raised speed in the sun)
EVs: 252 SpAtk, 252 HP, 4 Def
~ Grass Knot
~ Shock Wave
~ Focus Blast
~ Sludge Bomb
>> Weak to: Fire, Ice, Flying, Poison and Bug

Camerupt @ Life Orb
Nature: Quiet
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: Erm.. something. Need help with this
~ Eruption
~ Earth Power
~ Fire Blast
~ Explosion
>> Weak to: Water and Ground

Dusknoir @ Leftovers
Nature: Brave
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP, 172 Def, 84 SpD
~ Shadow Punch
~ Ice Punch
~ Will-O-Wisp
~ Pain Split (Might consider dropping for another attack due to Wish support)
>> Weak to: Ghost and Dark

If someone could lend me a hand on doubles, that'd be great! =)

 

[VibuzeSG]

Though he once was a much higher tier, in DP Weezing is now UU (at least according to Smogon's tier list), but still is one of the best Heracross counters around (especially if he's running a decent Fire-type move). Plus, he does have very low Speed.

Then again, he is now UU, and I don't know if that's too low for you. Plus, Explosion's not really safe for Doubles unless you're also running a Ghost-type. It's a shame, because Dusknoir is also a very good Heracross counter, but I know he's too highly ranked (OU).

Running with that, Ghosts also make good counters for Heracross themselves, but most Ghosts are ranked highly, leaving you with only choices of Bannette, Sableye, and Drifblim (the last whose Speed is far too high).

You may want to ask someone other than myself about Sableye, because he actually might help out. I never use him, but the fact that he has an Ability that always makes him act last seems interesting. I don't know if that'll make him always go first with Trick Room, however. His base stats, however, are abnormally low.

 

[Tina]

I'm considering Weezing, but after some crits I recieved on a chat last night, I'm going to update my team. Hopefully this is a little more well made. =D

(I'm still worried as hell about Heracross though. :[)

 

[VibuzeSG]

Well, I can see you dropped that "nothing over BL" clause...

Yeah, it looks much better now. I don't really know a good EV-spread for Camerupt, but I can tell you that I like Adaptability on a Porygon-Z, because a boosted Tri Attack can rip through just about anything other than Ghosts, Rocks, and Steels. Of course, Trace does have its benefits, but you're equally likely to get a terrible Ability as a good one, because even some good abilities might not help a Porygon-Z.

If you're still "worried as all hell about Heracross," and Camerupt isn't providing enough comfort, Dusknoir takes no damage from Fighting and 50% from Bug, so it might be worth considering to replace the Pain Split you're debating removing anyway with Fire Punch.

If you're using OU Pokemon now anyway, have you considered switching Camerupt for Heatran? Or are you anti-legendary even if they're not Ubers?

All in all, it's looking much better.

 

[Tina]

Well, I can see you dropped that "nothing over BL" clause...

Yeah. =P

but I can tell you that I like Adaptability on a Porygon-Z, because a boosted Tri Attack can rip through just about anything other than Ghosts, Rocks, and Steels. Of course, Trace does have its benefits, but you're equally likely to get a terrible Ability as a good one, because even some good abilities might not help a Porygon-Z.

Erm, actually, it's a Porygon2.. it can still be used in competitive play, since it's vastly different than Pory-Z. Pory2's other ability, Download, isn't of much use in this set I don't think.

If you're still "worried as all hell about Heracross," and Camerupt isn't providing enough comfort, Dusknoir takes no damage from Fighting and 50% from Bug, so it might be worth considering to replace the Pain Split you're debating removing anyway with Fire Punch.

Ahh, that's true. I didn't quite think of Fire Punch =O

If you're using OU Pokemon now anyway, have you considered switching Camerupt for Heatran? Or are you anti-legendary even if they're not Ubers?

Well, the Heatran my friend gave me has a 252SpAtk/252Speed spread and I *really* don't feel like softresetting for a different one on my Pearl.. That, and while I'm not anti-legendary, I think Heatran has a little too much speed to be useful in Trick Room...

Thanks for the crits, though. I think having a seperate thread for each team is working nicely, as I think if I posted it in the old RMT thread, it'd get ignored completely. =P

 

[The Outrage]

Tina, you don't need to say what its weak to, since the people rating should know. Also if the comments could be left at the bottom of the moveset, that would be nice since it kind of bothers peoples eyes.

-With Porygon2 go with Ice beam over Tri Attack. It only needs it if it is a Porygon Z. It helps with Garchomp countering and Salamnece countering.

-Don't give Tangrowth Choice SPecs on a double battle team, don't give any Pokemon Choice items on double battles.

Though he once was a much higher tier, in DP Weezing is now UU (at least according to Smogon's tier list), but still is one of the best Heracross counters around (especially if he's running a decent Fire-type move). Plus, he does have very low Speed.

Then again, he is now UU, and I don't know if that's too low for you. Plus, Explosion's not really safe for Doubles unless you're also running a Ghost-type. It's a shame, because Dusknoir is also a very good Heracross counter, but I know he's too highly ranked (OU).

Okay, something is seriosuly going screwy with Smogon's tier lsit placing things in UU when they should be BL. Also, just because something is BL, doesn't mean it can't get the job done, and that is why I don't like the tier system classifying them based on usage and not suefulness in general.

Besides, those things are for standard single battles, not double battles.

Okay, I'll be honest, I totally missed the "Double Battle" part until i was halfway through. Even if I do miss that, I can usually tell, your team to me seems like it can go both ways.

When my mind is in the right place, I'll be back to rate some more.

 

[Tina]

Tina, you don't need to say what its weak to, since the people rating should know. Also if the comments could be left at the bottom of the moveset, that would be nice since it kind of bothers peoples eyes.

Oh, I just had those there because I wrote them down in my Notepad text file that I had for this team. It's a lot easier for me to track it, and since I c/p'd this directly from it, I didn't quite notice that I had those still there..

-With Porygon2 go with Ice beam over Tri Attack. It only needs it if it is a Porygon Z. It helps with Garchomp countering and Salamnece countering.

Alright, sounds good to me.

-Don't give Tangrowth Choice SPecs on a double battle team, don't give any Pokemon Choice items on double battles.

Yeah, I was pretty iffy about the item choice... Wonder what I should give it instead though? ._.

Okay, something is seriosuly going screwy with Smogon's tier lsit placing things in UU when they should be BL.

(hyukhyukhyuk aerodactyl in UU lolllllll)

 

[The Outrage]

Yeah, I was pretty iffy about the item choice... Wonder what I should give it instead though? ._.

Well, as I always say, when you don't know what to have for dinner, have some Leftovers.

Okay, more rates:

Gardevoir
For Gardevoir, its actually a good thing you don't have Trace, since you are not using it as a Skill Swapper, you may actually end up hindering yourself with an opponent's Slaking or Regigigas. Event hen I wouldn't suggest Trace. I also wouldn't suggest Wish. Its going to be painfully obvious you are trying to heal an injured ally from your party. Since its a double battle, they may just gang up on said Pokemon as it switches in.

I'd also get rid of Calm Mind and give it both Light Screen and Reflect to better help your team. Light Screen is a definate must on it considering how your Pokemon are all almost oriented to physical defense. Protect would be a good option too, incase you want to explode your Camerupt without making it too obvious saying "I'm gonna esplode!" with your Dusknoir.

Tangrowth
Leech Seed and Protect is a great strategy in double battles, and I use it all the time in Battle Tower. Basically, Leech Seed both your opponents, and jsut watch as the health rolls back in. Against walls your oher sweepers amy not get to, it is a very valuable Pokemon. Using Protect every other turn (or when needed) is a good way to keep it alive. Leftovers or Big root works.

Dusknoir
I personally like this set for it in double battles, especially when paired up with one who explodes:

-Protect
-Earthquake
-Imprison
-Filler

I guess with two Pokemon attacking, and if you survive, Pain Split is going to be a bitch. Basically, it stops two of the most common moves, Protect and Earthquake. As if they were going to explode on a ghost type before, but if they were, now their ally can't protect. Better yet, they can't protect as you blow up on them.

Camerupt
Consider Protect somewhere incase of Earthquake from Dusknoir.

 

[Elementary Penguin]

Bah Humbug! Christmas is smelly!

 

[Wiilio]

I'm not much for doubles, but I can help with the individuals.

First thing I want to say is about Dusknoir. With mine, I don't even run a STAB attack on it. I use Ice Punch/Thunderpunch/Will-o-Wisp/Pain Split. imo, Pain Split is a must. Since you have two defensively bulky Pokémon on there already, I'd say go ahead and make Porygon2 Sassy. Shock Wave seems kind of wasted on Tangrowth imo. If it's for something like Gyarados, Leaf Storm over Grass Knot might be good, because it's an easy 2HKO (even after the SpA drop), and most of the time a OHKO if you have Stealth Rock support (which you don't, and you might want to put that on Rhyperior, making it more support than sweep). Ancientpower could be used for the last, because it 2HKOs Dragonite (assuming you'll be using this in F2?), and gives you a chance at stat boosts. If you are using this in F2, you could replace Dusknoir with Spiritomb.