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Respond to this topic so I don't fail my final

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My final in one of my classes is that I have to have a discussion with people and make them aware of some of the issues we've talked about in class, and then write a paper on it. So the professor said we're allowed to do it by making a post online, so that's what I'm doing since I have very few people I talk to in real life.

So please become aware of these issues and discuss them so that I have something to write about in my paper:

In America poverty is increasing, the middle class is making less money, and the gap between the rich and poor is widening. Of course, CEOs make hundereds and hundereds of times more than hourly workers. But their pay also increases at a much faster rate than the shares in thier companies. Even in bad years for the economy, when shares are going down, the salary of CEOs goes up. The lower and the middle class are the ones that feel the pain when there is a recession, not the rich. While hourly workers get pay and benefit cuts to make up for a bad economy, the company will raise the already huge salaries of CEOs, as well as loan them large amounts of money to buy stocks.

The stores with the cheapest products often have the worst track records for the way they treat their employees. The 99 Cent Store was accused of exploiting workers by forcing them to work 24 hour shifts with no overtime pay. Workers suffered verbal abuse and threats of losing their jobs if they complained about working conditions.

Wal*Mart runs sweat shops and even in developed countries pays its workers far less than a living wage. It is also accused of having the worst track record for advancing women of any major retailer and having a pervasive pattern of discriminating against women. The managers are taught to use the supposed "open-door grievance policy" as a way to identify troublemakers. Employees are also taught that unions are bad and can get in trouble for even discussing them.

The wealthiest 1% of Americans holds 38% of the wealth. The richest 20% hold 83% of the wealth. About one out of every 8 people lives below the official poverty line. The US has one of the highest ratios between rich and poor in the industrialized world.

Class mobility is very low in the US. Most people born into poverty do not have access to a good education. A majority of wealthy people were born wealthy and inherited money.
 
Well most people have kids, so it's not just themselves they have to worry about, they don't want their kids to starve and die.
 
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they have to abandon their backbones. I mean, what sort of example are they setting then, if they let people walk on them?
 
Well it won't do any good to set a good example if it means your kids starve to death.

Plus, even if it was just me by myself, I don't think standing up for myself would be something I'd be willing to DIE for, I mean that's extreme.
 
My uncle believes that a peasant revolt is coming to America. He believe the masses will eventually out of rage or desperation beginnning uprising. He's told me to go to Canada many times because he said it will be my generation who will likely begin it.

The problem is, the Republicans are in power. They've been in power since '94 and have worked their people into key positions since then. Most of the judges are pro employer. The heads of many government agancies are pro big business. Most of Bush's actions (including the war in Iraq) were to beneift the heads of megacorporations.

I personally believe the ballot is more powerful than the gun but people need to get their heads out of their asses and stop worrying about gay marriage and abortion rights and worry about if they can put food on the table. They need to find a candidate for President/Governor/Senator/Congressman/ect that is pro them and vote for them.
 
America's too educated, even its lower class, to have an effective peasant rebellion. Not enough peasants, we still have an environment dominated by the middle class numerically.
 
Wal*Mart runs sweat shops and even in developed countries pays its workers far less than a living wage. It is also accused of having the worst track record for advancing women of any major retailer and having a pervasive pattern of discriminating against women.

Didn't a group of women file a class-action lawsuit against Wal-Mart because of this? Anyone know the outcome?
 
Blackjack Gabbiani said:
Yeah, but that doesn't mean they have to abandon their backbones. I mean, what sort of example are they setting then, if they let people walk on them?

The same example that's kept this country running for 200 years.

The Big Al said:
I personally believe the ballot is more powerful than the gun

It IS. Problem is that more people have guns than vote in any election (ok, I pulled that out of nowhere, but I'd be more surprised if it WASN'T true).

They need to find a candidate for President/Governor/Senator/Congressman/ect that is pro them and vote for them.

Problem is that both democrats AND republicans are pro-business. And no one wants to vote for the third party. Both parties are capitalist driven, and in order to end the reign of big business, we need a more socialist-oriented party. They don't have to be pure-socialist, just have socialist tendencies.

Evkl said:
America's too educated, even its lower class, to have an effective peasant rebellion.

But wouldn't a more educated lower class see how effective active rebellion has been? If enough people participate, change DOES happen, history has proven that. Even Nixon had to make concessions to the peace movement of the 60s and 70s. The problem is that the lower class is too busy working to protest. Most in the lower class are forced to work two jobs to make ends meet, whereas the middle class has more time to protest, but feels less inclined to change a system that, more or less, benefits them. And the media, more often than not, keeps the idea of a suffering lower class out of the spotlight. You're seeing it more and more because it's getting harder to ignore. With more companies out-sourcing, the lower class is going to slowly increase, which will either force the middle class to want to help, or widen the rift between the two classes. And you're right, the middle class IS the largest class, but with more people getting laid off, that's going to change.
 
I heard that the economy is in shambles and consumer confidence is really low

:rolleyes:
 
ムーッツ said:
I heard that the economy is in shambles and consumer confidence is really low

:rolleyes:

That was the reasoning I heard for GM out-sourcing 30,000 jobs. Although that seems to be the blanket reasoning for EVERYTHING wrong with the economy. Like how the US is only attacked by terrorists.
 
GM's layoffs had nothing to do with its inner workings, product development or market segmentation.

Oh, wait.
 
ムーッツ said:
GM's layoffs had nothing to do with its inner workings, product development or market segmentation.
If you mean its being run by morons who are blind to what the consumers want and insult have dumped what they think they want onto the market.
 
ムーッツ said:
I heard that the economy is in shambles and consumer confidence is really low

:rolleyes:

You're obviously making fun of my topic but I have no idea what it is you're actually trying to say.

Anyways I thought GM outsourced jobs because it's cheaper to do so. And companies tend to like...do what gets them the most profits.
 
I'm again mocking the economic positions in this thread.

GM's problems aren't outsourcing. It's the UAW, it's not hedging well enough against their SUV lines with hybrids and not approaching the market as a whole correctly.
 
ムーッツ said:
GM's problems aren't outsourcing. It's the UAW, it's not hedging well enough against their SUV lines with hybrids and not approaching the market as a whole correctly.
What the hell does the UAW have to do with what GM points out? I happen to come from a UAW family they don't have a say on what they make. My dad was shipped off to Warren against his will so there goes your theory. The UAW doesn't care what's being made as long they have jobs.

You're just being anti-Union and think you can blame them for a company's woes. It never occured to you that the stupidity starts at the top? Why did GM come out with the Hummer 3 instead of a hybrid car, the UAW? No, its because some nutcase in the Ren Cen thought it was the better investment. I follow the news here and the auto industries are shooting themselves in the foot and the high ups are getting greedy and stupid.
 
The Big Al said:
What the hell does the UAW have to do with what GM points out? I happen to come from a UAW family they don't have a say on what they make. My dad was shipped off to Warren against his will so there goes your theory. The UAW doesn't care what's being made as long they have jobs.

You're just being anti-Union and think you can blame them for a company's woes. It never occured to you that the stupidity starts at the top? Why did GM come out with the Hummer 3 instead of a hybrid car, the UAW? No, its because some nutcase in the Ren Cen thought it was the better investment. I follow the news here and the auto industries are shooting themselves in the foot and the high ups are getting greedy and stupid.
The Union workers were getting paid much more than they were worth, and making outrageous demands that they knew would hurt the companies. I'm not saying the union had a say in the idiotic choices of the higher-ups. Christ.
 
ムーッツ said:
The Union workers were getting paid much more than they were worth, and making outrageous demands that they knew would hurt the companies. I'm not saying the union had a say in the idiotic choices of the higher-ups. Christ.
Do you know how much the union workers have given up due to the recession? Yet I've yet to see the CEO's cut their bonuses and salaries.
 
Lol, once again TBA with THE PROLETARIAT FACTORY WORKERS SHALL RISE UP AND THROW OFF OUR BOUGEOISE MASTERSS!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111

As for GM, they were stupid to cut the jobs but as Mozz said the unions were once again making stupid demands.
 
Girafarig_Magcargo said:
Lol, once again TBA with THE PROLETARIAT FACTORY WORKERS SHALL RISE UP AND THROW OFF OUR BOUGEOISE MASTERSS!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111
That was my braindead uncle's idea.
As for GM, they were stupid to cut the jobs but as Mozz said the unions were once again making stupid demands.
If the executives weren't paying themselves an embarassing amount of money, the demands of the unions would not be as stupid. You're totally oblivious to the executive stupid that's curdling America's industry.
 
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