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cyrus106

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My tourney winning team, but I want to improve

~~Tyranitar~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Sand stream
Item: Life Orb
EV Spread: 252 atk./96 speed/150ish Hp
Moves:
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake
- Taunt(His movepool is so shallow, I can't think of another diverse move for his fourth slot)
My Sandstorm set-up, since my team uses his sandstorm (mainly, regirock)


~~Regirock~~
Nature: impish
Ability: Clear body
Item: leftovers
EV Spread: 252 hp/ 252 sp.def
Moves:
- Stealth rock
- Toxic
- Earthquake
- Explosion
My wall: Takes a retartedly high amount of damage
Any suggestions for his moves?

~~Metagross~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Clear body
Item: Life Orb
EV Spread: 252 atk. 252 speed
Moves:
- Hammer Arm
- Earthquake
- Bullet Punch
- Explosion
I might replace hammer arm with meteor mash, suggestions?

~~Scizor~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
Item: Choice band
EV Spread: 252 atk. 252. speed
Moves:
- Bullet punch
- pursuit
- Double hit/Superpower (double hit is for subbers)
- U-turn
My bullet punching killing machine

~~Machamp~~
Nature: adamant
Ability: No guard
Item: Choice Scarf(I accidentally put band here, didn't mean to)
EV Spread: 252 atk. 252 speed
Moves:
- Dynamic punch
- Cross Chop
- Focus energy (I dunno what to put here, XD)
- Toxic

~~Jirachi~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Serene Grace
Item: Leftovers
EV Spread: 252 speed 252 attack
Moves:
- Wish
- Thunderwave(Paralyze chance+flinch=RAPE)
- Zen headbutt/Iron head
- U-turn
My wish support and flincher

I'm considering replacing regirock with breloom
Since maybe I don't NEED a wall

My other idea is a ninjask lead, for boost-n-switch

Any input is suggested!
 
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Try using registeel instead of rock?:

Registeel@Leftovers
Careful/pressure
212def/212spdef/84hp
-Curse/acupressure
-Rest
-Shadow claw/metal claw
-Explosion
 
First question, what kind of tourney did you win with this?
 
cyrus106 said:
My tourney winning team, but I want to improve

~~Machamp~~
Nature: aamant
Ability: No guard
Item: Choice band
EV Spread: 252 atk. 252 speed
Moves:
- Dynamic punch
- Cross Chop
- Focus energy (I dunno what to put here, XD)
- Toxic
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I'm not the best person when it comes to making teams. But two fighting moves on Machamp? Eh. There's plenty of moves such as Ice Punch, Stone Edge, Payback, Earthquake, Bullet Punch that Machamp can use better than Cross Chop. Toxic, eh. Focus energy. Eh. How can you use either without having to switch afterwards cos you'll be locked into it with the Choice Band... :/

(Btw, if anyone says I'm wrong about what I've said. I apologise. I'm not exactly the best person as I said above. But I don't get this Machamp set at all :/)
 
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Hey, I'm happy that someone is actually using Tyranitar on a team with mostly Rock/Ground/Steel Types for once @__@. All but Machamp can only benefit from the infinite Sandstorm.

On the Machamp note, why Focus Energy and Toxic? Were the elemental punches somehow inferior to Toxic and Focus Energy on a Choice Set? xD Anyway, Stone Edge>Cross Chop, definitely. Try Earthquake, and either Fire or Ice Punch, depending on what suits your fancy. Ice helps against Flygon and Dragonite (who Stone Edge also helps with), where as Fire Punch will probably be better on Scizor and Foretress.

Jirachi with Swagger and Flinch support seems very hypocritical. When stalling out the bulkier Walls, let's say you use Swagger. After a few turns on Flinch Hax, confusion may ware off, and you basically only provided the opponent with a Swords Dance (also, Lum Berry holders will enjoy Swagger). I really only see Swagger working well with Psych Up, and even then, it's inferior to Swords Dance.

Metagross looks fine, as does Scizor with Superpower.

Regirock should use Stone Edge for STAB, and coverage. Maybe ditch Explosion considering Metagross has it.
 
Mye said:
Try using registeel instead of rock?:

Registeel@Leftovers
Careful/pressure
212def/212spdef/84hp
-Curse/acupressure
-Rest
-Shadow claw/metal claw
-Explosion
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I'm gonna have to disagree here
Because
Look at it this way

Regirock's base attack, 100
Regirock's base defense, 200
Regirock's base sp.defense, 100 TIMES 1.5 due to sandstorm, so 150

Registeel's attack: 75 I believe
registeel's defense: 150
Registeel's Sp.def: 150

I honestly think that an all-steel team would be swept by fire-types, so a rock wall is good

VanillaThunderbolt said:
Hey, I'm happy that someone is actually using Tyranitar on a team with mostly Rock/Ground/Steel Types for once @__@. All but Machamp can only benefit from the infinite Sandstorm.

On the Machamp note, why Focus Energy and Toxic? Were the elemental punches somehow inferior to Toxic and Focus Energy on a Choice Set? xD Anyway, Stone Edge>Cross Chop, definitely. Try Earthquake, and either Fire or Ice Punch, depending on what suits your fancy. Ice helps against Flygon and Dragonite (who Stone Edge also helps with), where as Fire Punch will probably be better on Scizor and Foretress.

Jirachi with Swagger and Flinch support seems very hypocritical. When stalling out the bulkier Walls, let's say you use Swagger. After a few turns on Flinch Hax, confusion may ware off, and you basically only provided the opponent with a Swords Dance (also, Lum Berry holders will enjoy Swagger). I really only see Swagger working well with Psych Up, and even then, it's inferior to Swords Dance.

Metagross looks fine, as does Scizor with Superpower.

Regirock should use Stone Edge for STAB, and coverage. Maybe ditch Explosion considering Metagross has it.
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Honestly, I didn't think through some of their moves. That's why I posted this RMT, because I dunno what the hell to teach them XD

About Jirachi and swagger, what should I do instead, will-o-wisp or something?

And thank you for the machamp suggestions, toxic and focus energy are just fillers XD. Where the hell do you get ice andfire and thunder punch anyway? In soul silver I mean. I don't think the tutors have it

@Beaten A.K.A Grape
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?p=2049907#post2049907

Also guys, how's this sound?
For regirock I: Ditch toxic, add stone edge, add curse, remove stealth rock
 
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cyrus106 said:
I'm gonna have to disagree here
Because
Look at it this way

Regirock's base attack, 100
Regirock's base defense, 200
Regirock's base sp.defense, 100 TIMES 1.5 due to sandstorm, so 150

Registeel's attack: 75 I believe
registeel's defense: 150
Registeel's Sp.def: 150

I honestly think that an all-steel team would be swept by fire-types, so a rock wall is good



Honestly, I didn't think through some of their moves. That's why I posted this RMT, because I dunno what the hell to teach them XD

About Jirachi and swagger, what should I do instead, will-o-wisp or something?

And thank you for the machamp suggestions, toxic and focus energy are just fillers XD. Where the hell do you get ice andfire and thunder punch anyway? In soul silver I mean. I don't think the tutors have it

@Beaten A.K.A Grape
http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?p=2049907#post2049907
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For Jirachi: you can go with this:
-Thunder Wave/Body Slam
-Iron Head
-Substitute
-Fire Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 164 HP/168 Atk/176 Spe
Item: Leftovers

This is the para-flinch Jirachi, designed to take advantage of Serene Grace.

For Machamp, you can still get the elemental punches from the tutors; I think you talked to the wrong tutors.

For Tyranitar: his movepool is actually really good. You can go with Aqua Tail in the last slot to deal with Ground types.

Most people go with Registeel because it has a better defensive typing than Regirock.
 
PlatinumDude said:
For Jirachi: you can go with this:
-Thunder Wave/Body Slam
-Iron Head
-Substitute
-Fire Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 164 HP/168 Atk/176 Spe
Item: Leftovers

This is the para-flinch Jirachi, designed to take advantage of Serene Grace.

For Machamp, you can still get the elemental punches from the tutors; I think you talked to the wrong tutors.

For Tyranitar: his movepool is actually really good. You can go with Aqua Tail in the last slot to deal with Ground types.

Most people go with Registeel because it has a better defensive typing than Regirock.
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I understand this, but his only type weakness difference is water instead of fire, and if my opponent has a fire type, the he could SWEEP MY WHOLE TEAM, since they're all slow as hell.

Damnit, I didn't know ground types were weak against water, I made him FORGET aqua tail *facepalm*
 
my tournoment doesn't count
half of my players droped out (including me)
ecept for elroid and rickclev
XD
 
Put Stealth Rock instead of Taunt on Tyranitar, it's a great move for a lead to have and he's to slow to taunt fast SR leads anyway

Also, don't run Focus Energy on a scarfer lol
 
This team seems pretty poorly put together. You even noted yourself that a Fire type would destroy you with Registeel, but even with Regirock you have the same problem. The problem is Infernape. He can easily OHKO Tyranitar, Scizor, Metagross, Jirachi and Machamp. He also kills Regirock assuming you switch into any attack as Grass Knot is almost a OHKO even in Sandstorm.

A few other notes: As someone else said, Tyranitar's movepool is INSANE, how could you say it's shallow at all? Taunt is good for that moveslot, though...I would do Meteor Mash on Metagross...the Machamp moveset is horrible, but just go with other people's suggestions...You gave a support Jirachi such an offensive EV spread, I'd rethink that combination.
 
cyrus106 said:
My tourney winning team, but I want to improve

~~Tyranitar~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Sand stream
Item: Life Orb
EV Spread: 252 atk./96 speed/150ish Hp
Moves:
- Stone Edge
- Crunch/Pursuit
- Earthquake
-Stealth Rock/Pursuit

Stealth Rock is always good to set up, but the reason I slashed in Pursuit is, what exactly does Crunch hit as a lead, that the other two moves can't? Pursuit 2HKO's the standard Azelf Lead with Focus Sash, along with the Colbur Azelf, an Azelf U-turn should barely do a quarter damage, after which you Pursuit for MASSIVE DAMAGE. And if they don't switch or taunt during the first pursuit, you should set up Rocks, considering they'll plan to stay in to try to do some damage, at the theoretical likely-hood that you are just gonna Pursuit them anyways. But I'd suggest getting rid of this lead all together, because who do you switch to if there is an Infernape, Swampert, Metagross, Aerodactyl, Jirachi, Machamp, Roserade, or Starmie Lead
Only other thing than Azelf, I could see this beating is Heatran, and three problems with Heatran are: Other things beat it better, fewer Heatran are being used as leads and are being used as attackers, and it could always just switch out.

Have you considered using a Hippowdon to set up Sandstorm? It's a pretty good lead, being Bulky, offering Stealth Rock, a good pHazer, and It is countered by much less of the pokemon mentioned above. The standard smogon set would be good on this team, which is:

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/168 Def/88 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Slack Off
- Stealth Rock
- Roar/Toxic/Stone Edge/Ice Fang

You should use Roar as the last option for this team, considering that you should scout the team to help this heavily Sandstorm-Reliant team, assuming that they won't have a counter will be too risky to take the chance.


~~Regirock~~
Nature: impish
Ability: Clear body
Item: leftovers
EV Spread: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 220 SpD
Moves:
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Counter
- Explosion
My wall: Takes a retartedly high amount of damage
Any suggestions for his moves?

If you are gonna use a set like the one you are using, you might as well use Registeel, considering it's got better resistances, but if you use a set and the EV spread mentioned above, it might be worth it.

Personally, I've never used the potential of Regirock, but Counter seems like it can merit some use, let's say you see a Machamp, Infernape, or Flygon that tries to CC, DP, or EQ you (respectively), COUNTER AND KO THAT MOTHERFUCKER. However, don't blindly give away that you have counter (Unless it's Infernape as it will 2HKO you first otherwise, EQ will only be a 2HKO, so you'll be outsped), if you have a move that is super-effective, use it (think Gyarados and Mamoswine.)

You shouldn't need to set up Stealth Rock, considering T-tar (or Hippowdon) should handle that.

~~Metagross~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Clear body
Item: Life Orb
EV Spread: 252 atk. 252 speed
Moves:
- Hammer Arm
- Earthquake
- Bullet Punch
- Explosion
I might replace hammer arm with meteor mash, suggestions?

I'm not gonna work on this one, because I don't feel that Metagross has a purpose on your team other than adding another Ground Weakness, so I think you should replace it with a Bulky Gyarados like this one:

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 56 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge/ Bounce

It never hurts to have a set-up Sweeper who would help your team with this many resistances, ground, water, fighting, fire, and steel are all resistances you want. I'd say to use Bounce in the last slot to rack-up more damage with Sandstorm, and Water/Rock is resisted by Breloom, so you don't want that at all. And Water/Flying is resisted by Empoleon only in OU, and Machamp can handle it.


~~Scizor~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
Item: Life Orb / Leftovers / Metal Coat
EV Spread: 4 HP/ 252 Ark/ 252 Spe
Moves:
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break/Superpower
- Bug Bite/Roost
My bullet punching killing machine

You really should have a Back-up Set-up Sweeper, and seeing as that the new Jirachi set Revenge Kills everything that Scizor once did, and Scizor is a great Sweeper with it‘s awesome power. Brick Break is the more logical option as it kills everything that Superpower does after a Swords Dance, because only thing that Superpower can 2HKO that Brick Break can‘t is Skarmory and that comes at a cost of a swords dance and a massive Defense drop. Bug Bite vs. Roost is the question of Versatility vs. Durability, Bug Bite kills many bulky waters that otherwise wall you, Roost allows you to Set-up on more pokemon, considering you can recover health from their weak attacks, and I guess Quick Attack could be used in the Last Slot against faster pokemon that aren’t OHKO’d by Bullet Punch (Starmie, Gyarados, Zapdos.) Life Orb helps all your moves, so it’s preferred. Lefties does recover your health, though, so it‘s worth consideration, and Metal Coat is good for Bluffing a Choice Band.

~~Machamp~~
Nature: adamant
Ability: No guard
Item: Leftovers
EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Moves:
- Dynamic punch
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
-Stone Edge/Ice Punch/Payback

You need a sleep absorber, like badly, because, currently, if Breloom gets in on a pokemon that isn't Scizor, it will Spore, then Sub, and wreck your team. Game over, but this Machamp will be your Continue, it can absorb sleep for you, and still be awesome. I'd recommend Stone Edge, because it counters Gyarados. IP would be okay, though, it has it's benefits (like countering Breloom Better and beating Gliscor), and maybe payback, although it's very situational, and mainly used for Rotom-A.

~~Jirachi~~
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Serene Grace
Item: Choice Scarf
EV Spread: 252 Atk / 4 SpD/ 252 Spe
Moves:
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Trick/Thunder Punch/U-turn

This is a great revenge killer, especially with Serene Grace, I'd say to use Trick, seeing as you can trick the scarf on your counters, along with Gyarados (And Machamp can beat it,), although it will make Jirachi just a fast pokemon, and not really a revenge killer, so if you do that, don't do it early, so use Thunder Punch if you just want to counter it directly and gain coverage on Fire Types (although you could just switch to Gyarados), and U-turn for Scouting.
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Well, this is my first actual team rate, so if I sound smug or mean, sorry, but I really like the idea, but it needed some help in execution.
 
I like the rest and sleep talk with machamp, and now that I think about it fire and ice punch have double chances for their effects.

@Regirock he can learn counter? Holy crap I didn't know that that's sounds friggin awesome XD

@Gyarados: You have a point, metagross doesn't really do much, a bulkydos would be amazing

@hippo: Well, I like T-Tar better, but that sounds like a good idea.
I just need somebody to breed slack off onto it

@grape: I don't think it was mean at all, I saw some great tactics in there, I will def. use them
 
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