RNG abuse hacking?

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ok i've been in a lot of arguments with others on this topic, i thought it was legit, but I dont know anymore

so is rng abusing hacking?
can pokemon who are rng abused be used for tournaments?

please help
 
RNG abusing is not hacking.
RNG abused pokemon can be used in tournaments.

/thread.
 
IMO it's not hacking.

jake_loves_pokemon said:
What exactly is RNG-abusing?
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RNG abusing is a process in which you predict the pseudo-randomized values created by the game (with an external tool) and then use this data for example to easily find Pokémon with certain characteristics such as shininess or high IVs. I don't know all of its uses, but it's used widely for finding better-than-average Pokémon.
 
Hacking would be going into the game and altering the code. So no, it shouldn't be considered as such.
 
RNG abuse is not, and never will be, anything like hacking. Rather, it's taking advantage of an advanced knowledge of elements and formulas already incorporated into the game.

Hacking generally constitutes modifying the game through external means, while RNG abuse is entirely contained within the game.
 
It's not hacking, it's cheating. There's a difference.
 
I would say it's not cheating either. It is using a value in the game that is free (but difficult) to anyone to exploit. This value has been hidden from us by Nintendo. Does that remind you of anything?

Maybe EVs and IVs? Just maybe?
 
I don't even know what anyone means by RNG, so I don't know if it's abuse hacking or not. :p

/ignorant jackass
 
I personally think it's cheating because not everyone can do it (some people aren't patient enough). You're using an external device (it's a computer program which is external) to find when a Pokémon will have specific IVs or be shiny. I know it does take a lot of effort to get that near-perfect IV Pokémon but it takes more effort to get that same Pokémon the way GameFreak intended.
 
Woah, me and my friend were talking about this earlier...

Personally, I don't think it's any more cheaters than, say, the Old Man glitch to duplicate Master Balls or something. Like Politoed666 said, it's exploiting knowledge of the formulas to your advantage, but you're technically not deliberately altering the code or anything.

I don't think there's anything barring them from tournaments but then again, I don't battle competitively.
 
Zesty Cactus said:
Woah, me and my friend were talking about this earlier...

Personally, I don't think it's any more cheaters than, say, the Old Man glitch to duplicate Master Balls or something. Like Politoed666 said, it's exploiting knowledge of the formulas to your advantage, but you're technically not deliberately altering the code or anything.

I don't think there's anything barring them from tournaments but then again, I don't battle competitively.
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RNG =/= Old Man Glitch. With RNG Abuse, it's more like counting cards at a blackjack table. Technically speaking, you're not really doing anything wrong, you're just using common sense to determine the most probable outcome given a certain set of circumstances. With the Old Man Glitch, you're abusing a natural-occurring error in the game's programing. Big difference.
 
I don't think it's cheating or hacking, though it's in a shade of gray, outside the normal game.

@Blazevoir- Not everyone DOES do it, but, if they got the tools, everyone COULD. That's the difference.

It's similar to EVs and IVs, like others have said. It's in the game, even if it's been hidden from the players. It just requires a little educated digging.
 
It's not hacking, though it DID require hacking in order to figure out the RNG in the first place. So in that respect, I don't really know how "fair" it is, but... most serious players really don't care.

And yes, RNG abused Pokemon can be used in tournaments, because as far as the game is concerned, they are completely legit. You just abuse external knowledge of the game's programming in order to obtain them. You don't change the code itself, like you do when you hack.
 
dukeburger said:
And yes, RNG abused Pokemon can be used in tournaments.
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All the Japanese players used PRNG-abused teams for the Video Game Championship 2009 events (and speaking in general, all competitive people for that matter do PRNG abuse), thus even Nintendo and TPC/TPCi don't consider them as "illegal", hacked or a sort of cheating.
 
dukeburger said:
It's not hacking, though it DID require hacking in order to figure out the RNG in the first place. So in that respect, I don't really know how "fair" it is, but... most serious players really don't care.

And yes, RNG abused Pokemon can be used in tournaments, because as far as the game is concerned, they are completely legit. You just abuse external knowledge of the game's programming in order to obtain them. You don't change the code itself, like you do when you hack.
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This is a brilliant post~

But as for what I think:

No, it's not hacking, yes it is cheating, but so is EV training... Nowhere in any Players Guide (Official one) or In-Game info does it teach you the exact way to use EV's. This was done by hacking games. Thus, it was never really meant to be known.

At this point, it's so accepted to EV train that no one would ever say it's ''unfair'' even though it is. So I guess RNG is just one more step to allowing unfairness to become fair.

Maybe one day everyone will just accept hacks too~

But yeah, EV trained Pokemon, and RNG Pokemon, are allowed and considered Legit.
 
At this point in time, RNG abuse is basically equivalent to 'legit' hacking. People RNG for perfect IV spreads, natures, and Hidden Powers. You get the same result from doing RNG correctly as you would from hacking your team using Action Replay. Just look at some of the Smogon trade threads, it's pretty depressing for anyone who tries to IV breed the regular way.

There is nothing inherently illegitimate about any Pokemon that has been RNG'd. Some people just use it to produce crappy shinies, while others abuse it to its full extent and produce perfect or near perfect Pokemon. The premise of this thread was answered immediately when it showed up, so I'll leave it at this. RNG abuse is not 'hacking', and will not get you flagged at any nintendo events. If you are AT a VGC event, all the good players will have RNG'd their teams.
 
Ekard said:
This is a brilliant post~

But as for what I think:

No, it's not hacking, yes it is cheating, but so is EV training... Nowhere in any Players Guide (Official one) or In-Game info does it teach you the exact way to use EV's. This was done by hacking games. Thus, it was never really meant to be known.

At this point, it's so accepted to EV train that no one would ever say it's ''unfair'' even though it is. So I guess RNG is just one more step to allowing unfairness to become fair.

Maybe one day everyone will just accept hacks too~

But yeah, EV trained Pokemon, and RNG Pokemon, are allowed and considered Legit.
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Platinum's guides implies how EVs work(The game has people mention the results since gen 1). So given infinite time, a persn of average intelegence could get a rough idea of it. I pla to RNGA in SoulSilver, so it won't take 4 days t get my Todidile to be Adament.
[edit] Won't work for that yet, I can't have nessacary data yet. But PL Regigas and Heatran can!
 
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