Ruleset for battles

[Zhen Lin]

青龍 suggests the following ruleset:

Team: select 6 for the whole tournament, which are publicly recorded, and then select 3 from those 6 for each battle.

Level: forced to Lv.50.

Ineligible Pokémon: Legendary Pokémon with base stat total >= 600; Pokémon that only evolve at Lv.51 or higher; Pokémon that cannot be caught at Lv.50 or lower.

Moves: anything that is possible in-game.

Items: No two Pokémon may hold the same item. Soul Dew and Mystery Berry are not permitted.

Status ailments: No more than 1 Pokémon can be asleep. No more than 1 Pokémon can be frozen, unless it is due to random effects (e.g. freezing due to Ice Beam or Blizzard).

Selfdestruct and Explosion: if such a move causes all Pokémon to faint, the player who used Selfdestruct/Explosion loses.

Modification & cheating: not permitted.

 

[Archaic]

I'd be interested in what rules people would prefer regarding a species clause. I believe that was commonly enforced in Netbattle, but I don't know what peoples views towards that are in D/P.

 

[paperfairy]

Team: Trainers must document BEFORE battle which Pokemon they are going to us. Maximum "documented" Pokemon something like 20, and then the trainer is restricted to using those twenty. Battles are 3vs3, or 4vs4 is a double battle is conducted. Both players must agree to single or double.

Open Level, 100 is the cap (duh)

Legendaries with base stats >= 600, no Wobbuffet or Wynaut

No item clause

Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Self KO clause are all on

I don't think a species clause should be enforced.

Zhen, I'd love to know how you'd detect people who shark on IVs and EVs. =/


I also think a play by play log should be required, in order to catch cheaters, who just battle friends to accumlate wins.

 

[Turtle Tamer Kammy]

Wait, this would be for DP?

 

[paperfairy]

Yes.

 

[Nando]

Team: Trainers must document BEFORE battle which Pokemon they are going to us. Maximum "documented" Pokemon something like 20, and then the trainer is restricted to using those twenty. Battles are 3vs3, or 4vs4 is a double battle is conducted. Both players must agree to single or double.

Open Level, 100 is the cap (duh)

Legendaries with base stats >= 600, no Wobbuffet or Wynaut

No item clause

Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, Self KO clause are all on

I don't think a species clause should be enforced.

Zhen, I'd love to know how you'd detect people who shark on IVs and EVs. =/


I also think a play by play log should be required, in order to catch cheaters, who just battle friends to accumlate wins.

I agree on the declare 20 idea, it's like how the tag battles in the Battle Tower work now.

On the other hand, I think a species clause MUST be enforced or you won't see much variety at all as everyone will abuse the same Pokémon. My thoughts:

-No Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Regigigas, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Darkrai, Arseus

-Mew would be banned because of its universal TM access. This is why Celebi, Jirachi, Phione/Manaphy and (eventually) Sheimi are allowed

-Regigigas is banned independantly of its Slow Start ability, without which it would be on a Legendary OOber level of strength

-I'm considering the idea of banning Wobbuffet and seriously thinking about suggesting a ban on the Latis too. Even without Soul Dew they can be so easily abused and therefore would become far too common

My main concern is the abuse of certain species without a species clause...

 

[paperfairy]

Hm, now that I think about it, in 3vs3, species abuse would be a problem. I agree, a species clause is nessecery. Also, I always thought that Celebi should be banned; I've never found an effective way to get rid of it. Jirachi and Manafi (for now) seem reasonable. Regigias shouldn't be banned; Slow Start is what makes it not broken.

Also, I think that battles should be scheduled to same extent: users post the six Pokémon for their team, and then during the actual battle, battlers choose 3 Pokémon to go into the battle. Similar to that of the Stadium games; where your three are chosen based on your opponent's team of six.

Team: Trainers must document BEFORE battle which Pokemon they are going to use. Maximum "documented" Pokemon is something like 20, and then the trainer is restricted to using those twenty throughout the season. Players can have up to seventeen copies of a Pokémon registered.

(This means I can have a different Pokémon for different situations. Eg; A physical Charizard and a special Charizard. Seventeen is so players can participate in single AND double battles without breaking the species clause.)

Battle Style: 3 versus 3 or 4 verus 4, for single and double battle, respectively.

Level: Open Level

Species: The following species are 100% banned:

Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbuffet
Lugia
Ho-oh
Wynaut
Latios
Latias
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Darkrai
Arseus

Clauses:
The following clauses are in effect during battle:
- Sleep Clause (Only one Pokémon can alseep at a time.)

- Freeze Clause (Only one Pokémon can frozen at a time.)

- Self Destruct Clause (If a user uses a self KO move that eliminates both teams completely, the user of the move loses.

- Species Clause (In battle, each of the three Pokémon in a party must be unique. Different forms do not count as a seperate Pokémon.)

Other

One or both of the battlers must record a play by play record of the entire battle and post them on the forum.

 

[Turtle Tamer Kammy]

I like the idea of no Legendaries, but other than that, I think the fewer rules the better.

 

[paperfairy]

Why no legendaries? Aside from the banned ones listed, the rest of them are just ordinary Pokémon. (Jirachi, and Manafi are arguable)

 

[Nando]

Celebi can be killed the same way as Exeggutor. It just has better stats.

Porygon3 murders it with Signal Beam.

 

[Zeta]

I'd prefer these rules for species clause:
* No Legendaries
* No more than 1 Pokemon of the same species on a team.
* From the following list of Pokemon, only one may be permitted per team: Dragonite, Tyranitar, Slaking (arguable), Aggron, Flygon, Salamence, Metagross, Gablias

I don't think Level 50 or more evolvers should be totally excluded. The use of Ice-attacks goes down considerably if you're not going to encounter any dragons aside from Altaria. On the other hand, stacking a team full of the evolving ubers shouldn't be permitted. No one should have to fight Metagross/Tyranitar/Aggron all at once.

Also, I'd prefer seperate brackets for Levels 50, 70, and 100. Because by the time you finish the game, your Pokemon are all going to be at Level 70 anyways if you just concentrate on six.

 

[paperfairy]

Hm, okay. In that case, perhaps both Mew and Celebi should be left unbanned until proven guilty of brokeness, no?

EDIT: Nobody has yet to say as to why normal legendaries shouldn't be allowed. >_<

Team: Trainers must document BEFORE battle which Pokemon they are going to use. Maximum "documented" Pokemon is something like 20, and then the trainer is restricted to using those twenty throughout the season. Players can have up to seventeen copies of a Pokémon registered.

(This means I can have a different Pokémon for different situations. Eg; A physical Charizard and a special Charizard. Seventeen is so players can participate in single AND double battles without breaking the species clause.)

Battle Style: 3 versus 3 or 4 verus 4, for single and double battle, respectively.

Level: Open Level

Species: The following species are 100% banned:

Mewtwo
Wobbuffet
Lugia
Ho-oh
Wynaut
Latios
Latias
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Darkrai
Arseus

Clauses:
The following clauses are in effect during battle:
- Sleep Clause (Only one Pokémon can alseep at a time.)

- Freeze Clause (Only one Pokémon can frozen at a time.)

- Self Destruct Clause (If a user uses a self KO move that eliminates both teams completely, the user of the move loses.

- Species Clause (In battle, each of the three Pokémon in a party must be unique. Different forms do not count as a seperate Pokémon.)

Other

One or both of the battlers must record a play by play record of the entire battle and post them on the forum.

 

[TTEchidna]

At least three brackets should be in effect. Heck, a Little Cup thing would be interesting as well. Why not have separate tiers that have the same regulations as the Stadium cups of Gen I/II? Then we'd really get some variation on use of Pokémon.

Heck, something that would be open-level, like the Prime Cup was, could allow legendaries, but it could allow only one per team, or one per team per stat tier. Or something. I dunno.

 

[paperfairy]

While I'd like seperate brackets, would we have enough players so that all of the brackets are active? Something like the Stadium cups would be awesome though....

 

[Zeta]

At least three brackets should be in effect. Heck, a Little Cup thing would be interesting as well. Why not have separate tiers that have the same regulations as the Stadium cups of Gen I/II? Then we'd really get some variation on use of Pokémon.

Heck, something that would be open-level, like the Prime Cup was, could allow legendaries, but it could allow only one per team, or one per team per stat tier. Or something. I dunno.

Refresh my memory - what were the cups of Yellow, Stadium 1, and Stadium 2?

 

[paperfairy]

I believe Yellow had the same as Stadium....

Stadium

The Pika Cup is the lowest-level Stadium Cup in Pokémon Stadium, and did not return in Pokémon Stadium 2.

The level restriction here places the minimum at 15 and the maximum at 20, and only allows trainers to pick three Pokémon with a combined level of 50 or less. Most Pokémon entering this Cup must be unevolved, however, there are a few that can get in while being evolved, such as Charmeleon or Raichu. Mew as well is disallowed from this Cup.

The Petit Cup is an intermediate-level Stadium Cup between the Pika Cup and Poké Cup in Pokémon Stadium.

The restrictions include a level restriction, where the Pokémon can be only between level 25 and 30, with a combined total on the three-Pokémon battle team of no more than 80. No Pokémon not obtainable before or between these levels are allowed either, nor is Mew. There is also a height and weight restriction, as Pokémon must be shorter than 6'8" and lighter than 44 lbs to compete.

The Poké Cup is one of the four Stadium Cups, appearing in both Pokémon Stadium and Pokémon Stadium 2.

It is presented as being the officially-sponsored Pokémon League tournament, though unlike what would be thought, all Pokémon are not allowed for use. More specifically, Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-Oh and Celebi are all disallowed.

The Cup has a level restriction on it as well, only allowing Pokémon between the levels of 50 and 55 to compete. In addition, the three-Pokémon team chosen by the player at the beginning of a battle may not have a total level sum above 155. This means as well that the six-Pokémon team chosen to compete can't have more than four Pokémon of level 55.

There are four levels that may be challenged; each level up must be unlocked by defeating the eight trainers on the previous level.

The Prime Cup is one of the four Stadium Cups, appearing both in Pokémon Stadium and Pokémon Stadium 2.

All Pokémon are allowed in the Prime Cup, including powerful legendary Pokémon such as Mewtwo.

A disadvantage, however, is that all opponents will have Pokémon at level 100, though Pokémon of any level can be entered to compete as well.

Stadium 2

The Little Cup is one of Pokémon Stadium 2's four Stadium Cups. It was introduced for players to compete with newly-hatched baby Pokémon.

The rules of this cup are quite simple: all Pokémon must be at level 5, without exception. Just as well, Pokémon must be of the lowest stage in their evolutionary line and must evolve as well, at least during Generation II. For example, Tangela, which evolves into Mojanbo in Generation IV cannot be entered because it was the only Pokémon in its evolutionary line. Marill, however, can be entered, as Azurill was not introduced until Generation III.

There are also restrictions on moves. If a Pokémon uses Dragon Rage or Sonicboom, it will have no effect, as these moves are set-damage moves with their set damage above that of the HP of many Pokémon that are at level 5.

Though it is officially for Pokémon hatched from an egg, Pokémon caught in the wild can be entered as well. However, they follow the same restrictions as the others, and must not be evolved (meaning no Pikachu).

In Generation IV, this Cup returned in a basic sense in Pokémon Battle Revolution, though with rules updated for that generation.

The Challenge Cup is one of the four Stadium Cups in Pokémon Stadium 2. Unlike the other five Stadium Cups, however, players cannot use their own Pokémon, instead being handed a random rental team each time they begin a challenge.

The Cup has four different classes, each featuring different leveled Pokémon. What remains the same, however, is that the Pokémon in used all have strange nicknames. Any Pokémon controlled by the player will have a nickname that has first all-capitalized letters, then all-lowercase, while the opposite is true for opponents, their Pokémon are named lowercase, then uppercase. A Bulbasaur used by the player would, then, be named BULBAsaur, while one controlled by the opponent would be named bulbaSAUR.

I was thinking; maybe we could follow the exact rules for these cups, except update them for D/P. If anyone's interested, I'd be more than happy than generate lists for eligble Pokémon for each up.

 

[Zeta]

As for the cups, that's a good idea. We could have them the last week of every month, to give people time to prepare and sign up.

I also have another idea - how about a Type Cup? Every month, a cup that requires all Pokemon on the team be of the same type - the type would change every month in rotation . . .

 

[paperfairy]

Zeta, in your mind; are these cups small events that are held whilst the "league" is going on, or are they large grand omg tourneys?

Type Cup SOUNDS interesting, but I'd imagne that all the teams for the Ghost and Dragon cups would be the same. XD

 

[shiroandfubuki]

As for the cups, that's a good idea.

I like the Cup idea as well. Especially like the one introduced in PBR (It's name currently escapes me). Making teams, breeding to get good stats (though the level cap should still remain at 5, not 1: this allows for slightly stronger stats)... It would all be very fun and challenging! ^_^

 

[Zeta]

Zeta, in your mind; are these cups small events that are held whilst the "league" is going on, or are they large grand omg tourneys?

Small events while the league is going on for those who are interested, with 3-8 players participating in them, and them only being held when interest is sufficient to get at least 3 or 4 people to sign up for a particular cup.