Satoshi Tajiri VS Takeshi Shudō. Philosophy of Pokémon

[c64]

First of all. Sorry for this tl;dr

Satoshi Tajiri is the creator of Pokémon.

Takeshi Shudō was the chief writer for the original series.

Here's some other people who have been writing the episodes too:
Yukiyoshi Ōhashi
Shinzō Fujita
Shōji Yonemura

What I'm trying say and get from this thread is
that I have always had the nice idea that
Pokémon was written by one person, Satoshi Tajiri.

But I surfed on bulbapedia and I see that many people
writes the screenplays.

I think it's kinda sad that the story of Pokémon
isn't created all the way by one person.

I will quote wikipedia "Along with Satoshi Tajiri, Ken Sugimori and others, Takeshi Shudo helped to create the world of Pokémon"

This means that there are no true answers behind
many philosophyc questions, because Pokémon is
created by many minds.

But there must have been 1 person who had VETO
on how the episodes should be like. Because I
can't just believe that they made Pokémon
just to entertain.

So my question is, if any person on earth
had to answer if this theory on the next picture
is true, or atleast false.
Who would it be?

coma theory: http://i.imgur.com/21xy5.jpg

(some of you
might have seen the picture too many times
but I'm new, also I wanted to make a spoiler with
the picture, but I don't think it's possible)


Satoshi Tajiri, Ken Sugimori or Takeshi Shudo?
Maybe someone else?

Takeshi Shudo is sadly dead.

I thank the creators of Pokémon very much
for making this universe even without the
coma theory. Because the coma theory
is ofcourse not true, but it's a really
good theory.

PS: My goal is to watch all Pokémon episodes
and I'm at 255 so far.

Discuss.

 

[Piplup]

Wait, so you're new to Pokémon and you're now trying to watch all old eps? Good luck with that, I'm not new to it and already watched them, but I'm doing a rewatch of the whole show and I got stuck at Season 7... it's really hard to try watching all past seasons by now

 

[c64]

Wait, so you're new to Pokémon and you're now trying to watch all old eps?

I want to watch them all in chronological order, even though I've seen many more on TV
when it got broadcastet in my country.

You didn't really try to answer my questions,
but well, it's a long read. I know.

 

[djulienr]

last summer i went and watched all the episodes in order and it only took a month and half...

 

[Cybersai]

The only saga that takes forever to get through is Johto because of all the tedious and dull filler episodes. If you can survive the Johto saga you can survive anything.

 

[Moe]

I'm fairly sure most of the changed tone between the very early episodes and later on are down to two factors - the Porygon incident and overseas sales. One made them restrain the flashy animation, the other stopped some of the deeper storylines and violence. Nothing to do with being hit by lightning or anything like that - the outside world impacted Pokemon.

If you really want - just watch in reverse chronological order, then its a story of how he lets his Pokemon go to be abused by other trainers, hands back badges and helps other people find their homes again. That at least explains why he never wins anything.

 

[Piplup]

I want to watch them all in chronological order, even though I've seen many more on TV
when it got broadcastet in my country.

Oh, so you're NOT new to Pokémon... I just seemed to get that impression from your post... XD

You didn't really try to answer my questions,
but well, it's a long read. I know.

I didn't answer them cause I'm not sure what to tell you... the whole "coma theory" is pretty ridiculous anyway... Pokémon is really something lots of people created together, like many other games/cartoons/whatever - these things rarely have one person only that decides and makes everything by himself... (and even if there was such a person, it's usually impossible to actually contact these people and get answer to such questions... and even if you could, I guess they'd just laugh at that "coma theory"...)

last summer i went and watched all the episodes in order and it only took a month and half...

0___o
Are you serious?... XD
And here I am, started my rewatch in early 2010 and I'm still stuck at Season 7... lol
I guess it really depends on how much free time you got and how much of it you can/want spend on the rewatch

The only saga that takes forever to get through is Johto because of all the tedious and dull filler episodes. If you can survive the Johto saga you can survive anything.

That's your personal opinion... Johto was as good as Kanto/Orange to me if not even better (and yes, that includes most of the "fillers" too)
And Hoenn is taking me more time to get through than Johto... XD

If you really want - just watch in reverse chronological order, then its a story of how he lets his Pokemon go to be abused by other trainers, hands back badges and helps other people find their homes again.

I never understood it when people say this... even if one would watch from the latest up to the very first one, it's not like the events that actually happen in the eps are changed 0__o it'd just not make much sense and be very obvious that it's not watched in correct order... but the events themselves will stay exactly the same as they'd be if you'd watch in order...

That at least explains why he never wins anything.

Ash never wins anything? Since when? We're talking about the winner of the Orange League and Kanto's Battle Frontier, who got Top 16 in the Kanto League, Top 8 in the Johto League, Top 8 again while using only his new team in the Hoenn League, Top 4 in the Sinnoh League while being the only one who managed to beat Tobias' Darkrai... not to mention getting all these badges and the various random battles or competitions that he won
I seriously never get it when people complain that Ash "never win"... he's really pretty good and at least up until BW you could see his gradual improvement with the time... do people really want him to win ALL THE TIME? that would be bad... it's ok and needed to lose sometimes too... he's not perfect, no one is... the whole point of Pokémon is that there's always someone better and that you have to never give up and do your best to improve together with your Pokémon

 

[Moe]

I never understood it when people say this... even if one would watch from the latest up to the very first one, it's not like the events that actually happen in the eps are changed 0__o it'd just not make much sense and be very obvious that it's not watched in correct order... but the events themselves will stay exactly the same as they'd be if you'd watch in order...

I'd take my post in the intended context of responding to ridiculous theories about the show. Think of it like listening to a song backwards for the satanic references, Pokemon must have some hidden meaning if played entirely in reverse.

If this is the coma Pokemon world, then in the real one Bidoof fight Zubat for world domination while people get annoyed at running in to too many Arceus in a tunnel and other Pokemon transform into Ditto.

Don't need to take me seriously - I'm well aware of all of Ash's wins, but it'd ruin my already bad attempt at humour to point that out.

 

[Jukain]

I don't know what is being asked here, but yeah, I don't think there is one definitive idea of what the world of pokemon is. It is plain that the directors have all had different approaches to the anime, and I'm not sure how much say Gamefreak has in it. It's evident they were given a lot of freedom in the show, but elements of the game are still in there. Even though people tend to criticize it, I think how the anime handles battles is more realistic. As for the change in tone of the games, yeah, I see some change there, but as far as I know, G/S was the last one that Tajiri was directly involved in. A lot of people point to the Cubone thing, and that's really the only thing really dark about the original. I don't think pokemon was ever intended to be really serious, not in the games or the anime. What's up with the Cubone thing, then? I think people snowballed that out of proportion, the same as that coma theory. It's only mentioned, so I don't think it's as edgy as people make it out to be. The entire dex has stuff like that about other pokemon being eaten and fighting for survival, but we never see any of it. If you honestly find that to be edgy, then you must think biology class is hardcore.

As for the coma theory, I hate that stupid thing to bits. I will not question there is some dissonance between the first couple eps and the rest of the series, but they took it way too literally. It could be said they were still searching for what the anime will be, since there were some other things that were never mentioned again in the early eps and concepts that were never used again. Yeah, we know it's not consistent. Trying to have it make sense is foolish to me. Not to mention I find this to be a poor excuse to put a tragedy on something that was otherwise harmless. I wouldn't mind if this was a parody, or at least a deconstructive stab at the kiddy aspects of the anime, but there are people that actually believe this hogwash. As seriously as the first couple eps were taking themselves, they were still really silly. Why did they change this? I guess they felt more comfortable with it being light hearted. I could also say that Ash was alone, and indeed the world would seem harsher that way, especially since he was a dunce. When he gained traveling companions, it was no longer necessary for things to be that harsh anymore since now he had someone to guide him.

There may be no one definition of what the pokemon world is, but I find that's the most endearing quality of it. It can be whatever you want it to be. I suppose if you want to believe the theory, then that's your decision. I don't think it was in the minds of the writers, though. I don't entirely agree with their ideas, either, but some of what they've come up with is good. Maybe you like pokemon not taking itself seriously, I dunno. I don't think it necessarily violates any central idea since there isn't one that I'm aware of.

 

[Cybersai]

The Johto saga was filled with fillers simply because at the time the writers didn't know how to make a single saga last for 3 years. None of those fillers would exist if the writers didn't have to wait time for R/S to come out.

Johto was nothing more than trial and error for the writers, as it was their first attempt to continue the series once they knew the show was a success. Thankfully as you can read in the Takeshi Shudo blogs, they acknowledge the disdain and lowered ratings and revamped and re-tooled the series and never looked back.

 

[Pidgeot]

last summer i went and watched all the episodes in order and it only took a month and half...

That really depends on how many episodes you watch a day. If you watch six or seven episodes a day, you'll get through it quickly, though you might get bored easier. Whereas if you watch one episode a day (which I've been doing since the start of the year, and so I watched EP111 earlier today), you won't get as bored, but it'll take over two years to watch them all.

 

[c64]

You guys came up with some really great opinions and thoughts.

There may be no one definition of what the pokemon world is, but I find that's the most endearing quality of it. It can be whatever you want it to be.

^this is great, I think you guys are right
though it would have been really awesome
if the Pokémon anime was only written by
1 person. (it would have been hard though).

also, I don't believe the coma theory.
It's just kind of a mind fuck when
you first read it. the coma theory
is one of the reasons why I made this
thread.

Do you guys think that Satoshi Tajiri
reads the screenplays before they
gets aired?

If you watch six or seven episodes a day, you'll get through it quickly, though you might get bored easier. Whereas if you watch one episode a day (which I've been doing since the start of the year, and so I watched EP111 earlier today), you won't get as bored, but it'll take over two years to watch them all.

I watch 1 to 2 episodes a day. It's
true, I find it better if you are
excited of watching the next
episode, but if you watch too much,
it just gets too much.

 

[Jukain]

Again, I'm not sure how much say Gamefreak has in it, past or present. Tajiri has not been directly involved with anything at all since the second gen, though. He just heads Gamefreak now, and is often billed as the executive producer of the games.

 

[Pidgeot]

Again, I'm not sure how much say Gamefreak has in it, past or present. Tajiri has not been directly involved with anything at all since the second gen, though. He just heads Gamefreak now, and is often billed as the executive producer of the games.

Yeah, I think Junichi Masuda has been the producer for the main series games since Crystal, and so Satoshi Tajiri hasn't really got as much influence on the series anymore.

 

[Piplup]

revamped and re-tooled the series and never looked back.

LOL "never looked back"
With BW they repeat all the Kanto mistakes that thankfully were mostly fixed for Johto...

And yeah... Satoshi Tajiri doesn't seem to be very involved with Pokémon after gen 2... and even then I doubt he did anything related to the anime

 

[Cybersai]

revamped and re-tooled the series and never looked back.

LOL "never looked back"
With BW they repeat all the Kanto mistakes that thankfully were mostly fixed for Johto...

And yeah... Satoshi Tajiri doesn't seem to be very involved with Pokémon after gen 2... and even then I doubt he did anything related to the anime

The ony thing Johto fixed was Ash won his badges more fairly aside from Whitney and Pryce.

 

[Piplup]

The ony thing Johto fixed was Ash won his badges more fairly aside from Whitney and Pryce.

- Ash wins badges the right way, as you said (and even Whitney and Pryce were at least decent, not even close to Kanto's craziness and free badges)

- Battles improved a lot

- Ash stopped catching 6346435 Poké that just get Oak'd and barely ever appear at all

- Most of the Pokémon had a personality and some even got at least a little of character development (unlike Kanto's Poké who were mostly personality-less fighting machines)

- Contrary to what people say, I seem to remember more Misty/Brock focused eps in Johto than Kanto, and prefer these over Kanto's Misty/Brock eps

- I enjoyed most of the so called "fillers" more than lots of the plot eps or many of the Kanto/Orange eps

- Johto League >>> Kanto League (yes, it relied a lot of Kanto Poké, but it's still part of the Johto saga and was better than Kanto's equivalent)

- Had some nice Team Rocket (as the whole organization) eps for a change, like the Lugia or Red Gyarados eps

- More multi part eps than I remember in Kanto... most of them good, like aforementioned TR eps or Whirl Cup, Blackthorn City, etc...

tl;dr
Johto fixed lots of Kanto mistakes and was better in many areas that Kanto lacked
Opinions are a personal thing and not a fact, while you "can't sit through Johto", others may find it more enjoying than you...
Now please get back on topic (I won't reply on that topic again)

 

[Hidden Mew]

I honestly never quite understood the hate Johto got. Yeah, there were some pretty bad filler episodes in it, but the same can be said for pretty much every saga. I know that there was more filler episodes because the writers were seeing how to extend one journey for three years, but that didn't bother me too much. The only times it would, back when I was first watching the saga on Saturday mornings, would be when I'd wonder when would Ash get another badge, but I still looked forward to watching the new episodes every week. I didn't develop any kind of hatred towards the saga. I've rewatched most of Johto, except for the last few episodes of Johto League Champions, through my old DVDs and watching episodes on Pokemon.com and I still enjoyed most of the episodes. Some were kind of lackluster and there definitely some bad episodes too, but there were a lot of fun and good episodes in Johto. I'd honestly love to get the rest of Johto on DVD and watch it from beginning to end. It always sounded like it would be fun to do that.

Plus, the battles were definitely better, the Pokemon had more personalities, they actually did more with the Team Rocket organization than they did in Kanto and the Johto League beats the Kanto Pokemon League eight ways to Sunday. It certainly wasn't a perfect saga, but I also think that Johto made a lot of improvements over Kanto.

 

[Iteru]

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f555/what-degree-johto-flawed-117752/

Here are the questions/topics for this thread:

But there must have been 1 person who had VETO
on how the episodes should be like
...
Who would it be?

Do you guys think that Satoshi Tajiri
reads the screenplays before they
gets aired?

This has nothing to do with how much you guys hate or like Johto.

 

[c64]

The creaters knows the answers.

brb, takin' a trip to Tokyo.