Seasons

[Piplup]

For those who actually care what the official seasons are and don't go by the stupid fan made "seasons" by openings...

Seasons 1-8 each are 52 episodes -exactly- no more no less

Usually Dogasu do his best to explain to everyone that season 9 like all the rest is 52 episodes and that so will be season 10 ... I used to do the same in some Hebrew forums until season 9 aired here in Israel... it was only 47 episodes from "Fear Factor Phony" to "Home is where the start is" (not sure about the episode name of the last one but it's AG's last episode)
So despite how until now every season is 52 episodes exactly somehow season 9 is actually 47 episodes...

You can also see in the official site in their's "TV & Movies" page that they list the first DP episode as the first season 10 episode (and all the rest of the seasons there listed correct so no reason to think they're wrong with this)

And now Pokémon.com say ( http://www.pokemon.com/#news_/XML/news_240.xml ) that the three tag battles episodes are the last three episodes of season 10 and that means season 10 is 51 episodes since they skipped episode 48 (the "recap")

So... seasons 1-8 are 52 exactly each
But season 9 is 47 and seems like season 10 is 51
I don't know why they changed the 52 "rule" but they did...

It really does look good to start a season with 3 episodes arc and end it with another 3 episodes arc... but they didn't care about such things before and didn't care how season 2 was Kanto+Orange, season 3 was Orange+Johto, season 6 was Johto+Hoenn, season 8 was Hoenn+BF... but it seems like now they decided to pay attention to such things and break the 52 episodes "rule" if it looks better...

 

[Cybersai]

Yeah, I don't care for the season numbering.

I just go by the new theme songs and subtitles, a lot easier that way.

 

[Piplup]

Yeah, I don't care for the season numbering.

I just go by the new theme songs and subtitles, a lot easier that way.

It seems like you agreed with me with that "Yeah..." but I actually said it's stupid to go by openings... just wanted to make that clear

I go by the real official seasons as there is no reason to go by some fan's inventions...

And also because here they start and end a season in like 2 months (new episode every day, five/six days a week) and we wait a whole year for the next season... unlike the US that has short breaks (or no at all sometimes?) so maybe you less "feel" it when a new season start... but here we sure feel...

 

[Hyatt]

Yeah, I don't care for the season numbering.

I just go by the new theme songs and subtitles, a lot easier that way.

I agree with Scott. Sure it isn't the correct way to do it but it's the easiest and most people know what you're talking about.

It's like the actual correct word vs the word that the majority of the people use.

And it's easier

So yes, in my mind, the 9th season ends right before Hikari's episode airs, the 5th season ends with The Parting with Pikachu (dont remember the dub name)

Dont like it? Well I dont like when people call Shinji Paul but what can I do about it. I just learn to live with it

 

[Piplup]

I know this thread won't change how people refer to the seasons
I open it mainly for people like me and Dogasu that do care what the real seasons are so they'll know about seasons 9 and 10 being 47 and 51 respectively...

 

[XD375]

I prefer to go by the production seasons and not the theme songs. I've been wanting to start this thread for a while, especially after a conversation me and PokemonTrainerLisa had on mIRC, to see the general opinions of the fandom...

I'll post the logs of the conversation later when I get the chance.

 

[Habunake]

Who the hell cares about season numbering?

It's much easier just to tell people region.

 

[Piplup]

I prefer to go by the production seasons and not the theme songs. I've been wanting to start this thread for a while, especially after a conversation me and PokemonTrainerLisa had on mIRC, to see the general opinions of the fandom...

I'll post the logs of the conversation later when I get the chance.

As you can see it seems like the most prefer to continue this with the stupid fan made "seasons"... I'll never understand why people think the openings mean seasons and why use that instead the real official...

Who the hell cares about season numbering?

Anyone that would like to know what episodes they'll get when their country gets a new season or decide to air an old season again

It's much easier just to tell people region.

That what I said in another thread- either go by the real seasons are just go by saga: Hoenn, Johto, etc (it's not like any time they changed opening in Johto or Hoenn we got huge changes)

 

[Trainer Lisa]

I'll never understand why people think the openings mean seasons and why use that instead the real official...

We do this because it is MUCH easier and far less confusing.

I mean, if everyone were to use the official seasons, every time someone said "this-or-that happened in season 6", we would have to ask them: "Which part of season 6? Master Quest or Pokemon Advanced?"


But with the way most people view seasons, going by the openings, there is no confusion. Simply put, season 5 is known by the general public as being Master Quest and season 6 is just known as being Pokemon Advanced.

Therefore, you don't have the first part of Pokemon Advanced being in Master Quest. Which doesn't make sense, because the Advanced season is completely based in Hoenn and Master Quest is actually the last season of Johto. So, the question you have to ask yourself is, why make things more confusing?


The same thing can be said for the official season 3 which apparently, overlaps Orange Islands with the first part of Johto Journeys. So overall, what people are doing is making things more simple, by only going with the openings. This way, you don't have "leftover" parts of seasons which are placed in the previous region.

It seems as though, if fans want to be more correct or they just wanna do things the "difficult way", then they will use the official seasons. But more often than not, this way just confuses the heck out of people. So instead, fans will decide not to bother learning the seasons that way, and they will just use the openings like most fans do.



And finally, with the Pokemon fandom, what you basically have is an argument of "more correct" vs. "easy and simple". That's really all there is to this debate on how everyone views the seasons. In general, most fans tend to prefer the "easy and simple" way. Which really, I don't find anyting wrong with going by the openings. Afterall, with each of these seasons, you'll find that all the regions/parts-of-regions/story-arcs are conveniently seperated because of the openings.

Going by the openings just prevents people from getting confused by the different regions of Pokemon (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh). In fact, I bet this is exactly why 4Kids and Pokemon USA change the title for each season - so that people won't get confused by the official seasons because they overlap the regions.

 

[Dogasu]

The official seasons system is only confusing and difficult if you have problems counting to 52.

Also...originally, the first five Diamond & Pearl episodes were being counted as part of Season 9. Back when the last of AG was airing in the States, early CN schedules had slots on their calendar for those first five episodes. Since the network didn't know what those episodes were called, they had them listed as "948," "949," "950," "951," and "952." NOT "1001," "1002," "1003," etc.

Later, Pokemon.com decided to just lump all of Diamond & Pearl into Season 10, effectively reneging on their 52 episode commitment for Season 9 and cutting it five episodes short. And apparently, they're doing the same thing with Season 10 - this time, they're cutting it one episode short.

 

[AtoMan]

Old news ;-)

I remember how before premiere early DP eps were listed as 1001, 1002, etc. Pokemon.com switched to that a good while ago...

...but there was also French dub airing. They aired BF pretty fast, i believe around 7 eps per week, and after aired those 47 episodes they started rerunning from FFF. While it wasn't a final proof to me, it was VERY suspicious.

As for DP, i see two possibilities:
- they got rights to 52 episodes, later decided to remove clip show, making the season 51 eps
- the same as above, just they decided they won't air episode in US, while dubbing it and possibly selling to other countris... unlikely, but IMO may be possible. I always say, it's hard to confirm anything basing just on US airings because, for example, i also assumed first 5 DP eps being part of season 9, also because they published first 5 titles together. And there are US-only edits.

We'll see.

PokemonTrainerLisa, the "seasonal" division is VERY important because that's how the series is sold. It's not that big problem for US audience, but here we have bunch of kids complaining "why they didn't air all episodes of MQ? that doesn't make sense!", while it mkes PERFECT sense.

On the other hand, we have two VCDs "3 eps of season 3", one of which with pokemon like Cyndaquil and Totodile on cover, and, OF COURSE, they are first 6 eps of s3 = late Orange Islands eps...

 

[Dogasu]

- they got rights to 52 episodes, later decided to remove clip show, making the season 51 eps

But there's no reason for Season 10 to be 51 episodes. Sure, they skipped the clip show episode, but all they'd have to do to make up for that is add "Hikozaru's Tears" to the season to get them back on track.

In fact, that's pretty much what 4Kids did in Season 5...originally, it was thought to end with "Here's Lookin' At You, Elekid," but since they skipped the Rougela Ice Cave episode, they went ahead and added "You're A Star, Larvitar!" to the season to get an even 52 episodes.

 

[Piplup]

Going by the openings just prevents people from getting confused by the different regions of Pokemon (Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh). In fact, I bet this is exactly why 4Kids and Pokemon USA change the title for each season - so that people won't get confused by the official seasons because they overlap the regions.

Who said seasons are supposed to tell you the regions?
Seasons are simply the episodes they buy at one time and how they sell the series to other countries
Because of everyone's stupid fan made "seasons" people stupidly complained here some years ago that they said they'llair again season 1 but "showed only half of season 1" which was false because they said they'll air season 1 and aired all 52 episodes of it (well except one episode that they either forgot like they love to do or if they said the truth isn't at quality good enough now to air it) and the same with season 2 - people were stupids and thought they'll get to see the Orange league despite the SIMPLE FACT that it's in season 3

So as you can see how the real seasons are officialy is vey important to anyone that wants to knows what episodes his counry gonna get when they get a new season and also to know what episodes they'll air if they decide to air again an old season

I was sure we're gonna get DP1-5 in season 9 and told anyone it'll be 52 episodes like Dogasu did... yet the stupids were right -_- I really can't understand why change it after 8 seasons of -exactly- 52 each... but this is why I open this thread... for those who do care about the real seasons so they'll know seasons 9 and 10 are 47 and 51 respectively

The official seasons system is only confusing and difficult if you have problems counting to 52.

Correct...

Also...originally, the first five Diamond & Pearl episodes were being counted as part of Season 9. Back when the last of AG was airing in the States, early CN schedules had slots on their calendar for those first five episodes. Since the network didn't know what those episodes were called, they had them listed as "948," "949," "950," "951," and "952." NOT "1001," "1002," "1003," etc.

I remember you said that in your site... maybe season 9 originally meant to be 52 episodes like always but they quickly changed it?...

Later, Pokemon.com decided to just lump all of Diamond & Pearl into Season 10, effectively reneging on their 52 episode commitment for Season 9 and cutting it five episodes short. And apparently, they're doing the same thing with Season 10 - this time, they're cutting it one episode short.

Just to make it clear- it isn't only Pokémon.com - they're right...
As I said in Israel we got only 47 episodes of season 9 which ended BF so season 9 is 100% 47 episodes and no DP...

...but there was also French dub airing. They aired BF pretty fast, i believe around 7 eps per week, and after aired those 47 episodes they started rerunning from FFF. While it wasn't a final proof to me, it was VERY suspicious.

And here's another country that got only 47 for season 9 ...

Old news

I remember how before premiere early DP eps were listed as 1001, 1002, etc. Pokemon.com switched to that a good while ago...

But some didn't know about that... I didn't see even one post about this change X_X
And now we have another change for season 10 that is 51 episodes...

PokemonTrainerLisa, the "seasonal" division is VERY important because that's how the series is sold. It's not that big problem for US audience, but here we have bunch of kids complaining "why they didn't air all episodes of MQ? that doesn't make sense!", while it mkes PERFECT sense.

Exactly... that's why I said maybe in the US people less "feel" the new season because they never get such a huge break and don't watch the whole season in 2 months...

But there's no reason for Season 10 to be 51 episodes. Sure, they skipped the clip show episode, but all they'd have to do to make up for that is add "Hikozaru's Tears" to the season to get them back on track.

Not only adding Chimchar's episode make it 52 but also it's very related to the tag battles episodes
But as I said they just don't care anymore and do the seasons by how good it looks... they probably thought it's good to start and end the season with three episodes arc
Interesting what they'll do for season 11 ...
I guess you should edit now the list in your site Dogasu

 

[AtoMan]

It's probably what i said, they could've get 52, and skipping one episode made it 51...

Maybe it's dubbbers' lack of experience, maybe they got the contract to change dub studios after the certain episode which was planned to be 52nd... Heh, that makes sense.

 

[Hyatt]

The official seasons system is only confusing and difficult if you have problems counting to 52.

It's not that we have problems counting to 52, it's just that it's so time consuming compared to the opening = new season