Secret Invasion

[Return of Tyraneon]

Haven't seen anything on actual comic books
so i thought i should add one.

Has anyone read Secret Invasion?
That is if anyone on here reads comic books?
If not then i will be talking to myself

 

[Lil Brother]

We have a comic book forum... and you're asking if anyone here reads comic books?

Yeah, I read Secret Invasion, and it was... ugh. I never cared for Skrulls, but the premise of a shape-shifting alien race invading Earth through actual shape-shifting instead of just force held some promise. But it was just endless big fight splash pages and mindless revelations that served no purpose. The conclusion had nothing whatsoever to actually do with the Skrulls and could have been done through a million different means. Not to mention it proves that all the people of the Marvel Universe are total idiots.

Spoiler

Let me just say everyone being replaced having been kept alive was just... such a cop-out. The only reason I could see the Skrulls doing that would be to keep the DNA, but would keeping everyone alive be neccesary? And I can't even begin to figure out why Mockingbird's alive.

Also, how in the world can the American president shut down an internaitonal organization?

So, yeah. Yet another money-stealing Marvel event. I can't wait for there to be another one in which "nothing will be the same again!" and all the fallout of SI is completely reversed. Because we just have to see the New Avengers reform a third time.

 

[Return of Tyraneon]

We have a comic book forum... and you're asking if anyone here reads comic books?

I was asking because all the topics seemed to be about movies or tv shows
not actual comic books.

But anyway
I liked the storyline better than that of Civil War
I hated the outcome of civil war and came to absolutely hate Stark
So i like how he is now a criminal like he made Cap
I loved the thought of a full blown infiltration

Now things I disliked
The fact that Spider-Woman and the other heroes taken captive are still alive.
Why would the skulls even bring them back to Earth with them for the invasion?
Leave then on Mars or something, not with you to Earth.
Plus, the only person in that group I truly wanted back was Jarvis.
Mockingbird was excessive and unnecessary.
I split on the Norman Osborn as HAMMER leader.
I like the thought of the superhero world being dark
But, I dont think its realistic.

Those are my thoughts

 

[GrnMarvl14]

But it was just endless big fight splash pages and mindless revelations that served no purpose

It's an event. Splash pages and big fights are a must. But what revelations didn't you like? I mean...most served SOME purpose.

The conclusion had nothing whatsoever to actually do with the Skrulls and could have been done through a million different means.

Of course, but they made it make sense. Osborn saved D.C. (something that didn't come across well in the main series, and required you to read the Thunderbolts tie-in. Bad move on Marvel's part) and then killed Veranke (the Skrull queen) with all the cameras on him, after Stark seemingly fled the battle.

Not to mention it proves that all the people of the Marvel Universe are total idiots.

Eh. I don't see that. Even knowing how evil Osborn is...it's not like it's anything new. DC had Lex Luthor as president. And...c'mon...we elected Nixon in the late-60s. And re-elected Bush.

Let me just say everyone being replaced having been kept alive was just... such a cop-out. The only reason I could see the Skrulls doing that would be to keep the DNA, but would keeping everyone alive be neccesary? And I can't even begin to figure out why Mockingbird's alive.

They kept them alive to potentially use as slaves or hostages. Bringing them to Earth enabled them to easily hold a gun to their heads and make threats. Plus, especially in Spider-Woman's case, you leave the populace with lingering doubts. They didn't kill ALL the Skrulls, after all...

Also, how in the world can the American president shut down an internaitonal organization?

How can he appoint someone head of the organization as he did with Stark? ORIGINALLY, SHIELD was an American spy organization. It's only over the years that it became UN-controlled (didn't it?), and over the past few years, they've kind of reverted it back to an American organization. Besides, the president disbanding it could easily be explained by America being the chief backers. And I'm sure the world would agree that they sort of failed to do...ANYTHING during the invasion.

Because we just have to see the New Avengers reform a third time.

And we need a...what? Fifth? Sixth? Avengers team out running around.

I was asking because all the topics seemed to be about movies or tv shows
not actual comic books.

That's because those get better conversations going. Feel free to start threads on various series, if you want. I just can't guarantee you'll get too many replies.

Mockingbird was excessive and unnecessary.

Not everyone would agree. Especially us Mockingbird fans...

 

[Zeta]

Eh. I don't see that. Even knowing how evil Osborn is...it's not like it's anything new. DC had Lex Luthor as president. And...c'mon...we elected Nixon in the late-60s. And re-elected Bush.

I always love the irony that Lex Luthor was a better president in the DCU than Bush was in ours.

I agree that a storyline about the abductees lost in space trying to get back to Earth would have a ton of potential that they wasted.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

I always love the irony that Lex Luthor was a better president in the DCU than Bush was in ours.

I agree that a storyline about the abductees lost in space trying to get back to Earth would have a ton of potential that they wasted.

Yeah. Could have even tied it into War of Kings.

Personally, I really liked Secret Invasion. I wasn't too fond of House of M (ESPECIALLY how it ended) or Civil War (I STILL don't see the reasoning for why Iron Man's side "had" to win, and why EVERY SINGLE alternate future they present either has registration or presents, essentially, Hell on Earth), and World War Hulk was more or less just a fun beatdown event, but Secret Invasion had a good idea and it mostly delivered. I think the biggest flaw is that they rushed stuff that shouldn't have been rushed (the revelations of the Skrulls (ESPECIALLY the 70s heroes being revealed to be Skrulls. SO MANY good storylines that could have been explored. Instead...we get one in Who Do You Trust?) and Wasp dying being the big two). MOST of the tie-ins were better than the main series itself (ESPECIALLY stuff like Secret Invasion: X-Men, Secret Invasion: Inhumans, the Incredible Hercules and Avengers: The Initiative tie-ins, and in a different way, Guardians of the Galaxy, Nova, and Secret Invasion: Thor) because they paced themselves. They got a GOOD story told, but they didn't shove a million details into a short period. Where MOST current series kind of drag (ESPECIALLY New and Mighty Avengers), Secret Invasion rushed. Supposedly, this is what the last four years have been leading to. This Dark Reign is what Bendis originally pitched. And it seems that at the end...he just wanted to get to it. He didn't want to drag out the ONE part that would have benefited from being dragged out. I mean...they spent more time questioning what Elektra being a Skrull meant than they did fighting the Skrulls.

Going in, I had a LOT of hope for Secret Invasion. And, largely, I was disappointed. Few characters died. Few returned (though Mockingbird returning was great). And while I like the idea of the villains being in power (though I liked the idea of an evil mastermind group better during Acts of Vengeance. But maybe they can take what Acts of Vengeance was trying to do and up it), I worry that they're going to ruin this. Or hold onto it too long. This is a great idea...if they know when to pull the plug. The villains CAN'T be in charge forever. And it'll be interesting to see how they lose power.

 

[Lil Brother]

It's an event. Splash pages and big fights are a must. But what revelations didn't you like? I mean...most served SOME purpose.

I found the seventies heroes thing to be very... unnecessary. And yet it ate up the majority of the main series and was pretty much mishandled the entire time. I suppose the main reason for that was to distract the heroes, but that's what all those Super Skrulls were for, so it felt rather tacked on. At least to me.

And my main qualm with the incredible amount of splash pages was that this had the potential to be a cerebral story. Force was neccesary for the Skrulls to wipe out the supers and there had to be some way for the protaginists to win, but it felt like there was simply way too much of it. And I found Yu's illustrations to be pretty.. dull, so that didn't help matters.

Wasn't it said that Secret Invasion was originally going to be a smaller-scale Avengers storyline? In retrospect, that probably would have worked out better.

Ah, and I also like the idea of Dark Reign. It's just that the public being aware of Norman's other side involves too much suspension of belief for me to handle. Maybe whatever force made it so that nobody remembered Spider-Man's identity should have done the same with the Green Goblin. *shrugs* I'm also hoping Emma manages to stay in-character the whole time.

 

[GrnMarvl14]

I found the seventies heroes thing to be very... unnecessary. And yet it ate up the majority of the main series and was pretty much mishandled the entire time. I suppose the main reason for that was to distract the heroes, but that's what all those Super Skrulls were for, so it felt rather tacked on. At least to me.

I agree it was mishandled, but it sort of served as a nice red herring. Adding to the "who do you trust?" element by presenting several characters you KNEW had been replaced (Invisible Woman), and several characters whose replacement was plausible (Emma Frost and Phoenix) or wanted (coughBeastcough). It was one of the main things I wish had been developed further (ESPECIALLY after Skrull Beast and Wonder Man's short adventure in Who Do You Trust?). And, honestly, I wanted a few of them to NOT be Skrulls to add into the whole "nothing is what it seems" elements.

And my main qualm with the incredible amount of splash pages was that this had the potential to be a cerebral story. Force was neccesary for the Skrulls to wipe out the supers and there had to be some way for the protaginists to win, but it felt like there was simply way too much of it. And I found Yu's illustrations to be pretty.. dull, so that didn't help matters.[/quotes]

Yeah...I'm not a big fan of Leinil Yu's work (especially the faces), and he absolutely sucked at background characters (there's a scene in Nick Fury's hideout in one of the issues, where you literally just see a bunch of stick figures sitting around. The series would have benefited so much from an artist like George Perez or Carlos Pacheco who take the time to really work on every character). But a lot of the tie-ins and side books dealt very well with the cerebral aspects (I largely loved the artwork on Secret Invasion: X-Men. It was very dark and moody and fit the tone of the book PERFECTLY, even if a lot of the characters were hard to identify). And, sadly, that's the way things are now. You get broad strokes in the main books, along with the big action scenes. For anything else, you usually have to seek out the tie-ins. It's a pain.

Wasn't it said that Secret Invasion was originally going to be a smaller-scale Avengers storyline? In retrospect, that probably would have worked out better.

I seem to remember hearing something like that. But I think it worked well on a larger scale. I just think the main book did a poor job of illustrating the enormity of the attack (Captain Britain and MI:13, Secret Invasion: X-Men, and Avengers: The Initiative did SUCH a better job).

Ah, and I also like the idea of Dark Reign. It's just that the public being aware of Norman's other side involves too much suspension of belief for me to handle. Maybe whatever force made it so that nobody remembered Spider-Man's identity should have done the same with the Green Goblin. *shrugs* I'm also hoping Emma manages to stay in-character the whole time.

I don't think it requires THAT big a suspension of belief. It's not like they just handed it to him without him doing anything. He made a big splash on camera, and if other villains can become heroes (Hawkeye, the Thunderbolts, Magneto)...why not him? The reader may still know that he's a villain, but he DID just save the earth (or so it seems), so it makes sense that people would cheer for him. As long as it's not EVERYONE cheering for him (Urich and Robbie Robertson sure aren't), then I think it MIGHT work. It will all boil down to how it's handled.