Shiny Pokémon by RNG Abuse

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For a full explanation on this method, go to Smogon and search for the thread there. I will not post a link because it's probably against the rules.

This has been touched upon many times in this forum, but I don't think I ever recall a thread being dedicated to it. We have a thread about getting shinies through chaining, soft resetting, and the Masuda method, so here's a thread about the easiest and equally legitimate way, random number generator abuse. As a disclaimer, I am not an expert on this method, I'm just creating this thread because I feel that it's high time it was created.

First, since some of you may say RNG abuse is not legitemate, here is my short argument as to why it is. The random number generator, like EV's and IV's, is just a hidden value that Nintendo doesn't want us to know about. Sure they're hinted at in game, but to really EV and IV train requires us to use external sources to do things that could not be done with the game alone, while not changing the games code through a cheating device. The exact same is true with random number generator abuse.

Before I get into how exactly you do this, I will briefly explain what is going on. Any time a "random" event happens in the game, it calls a random number generator to decide its result. What this is is a very long string of integers, which it moves through sequentially. Where on the string it starts depends on what time you turn your game on according to the DS's internal clock. Luckily for us, Gamefreak decided to use the same string of integers as they used in Emerald, which is known by some extremely nice people who decided to make it public knowledge. Therefore, it is possible to calculate where on the random number generator you start, depending on what time you turn your game on and the IV's of the first pokemon you catch after turning on your game. From there, it's just a matter of advancing the RNG until it reaches the point where a shiny will be bred. Simple, right?

Before you start, you will need the following:
-Your SID (this can be found if you have caught one natural shiny, five chained shinies, or if you have an AR. Check Smogon for exactly how to find it)
-The coin flip app and the friend checker app on your Poketch
-Access to an area where you can catch level 50+ pokemon
-The RNG reporter

Once you have all of those, you can get started.


First, save your game in an area where you can catch pokemon of level 50 or higher. I save in the grassy area north of the Resort Area, and I use a level 50 pokemon first in my party while using a repel. This has worked for me every time. When you save, make sure you have a pokemon that knows fly, the two pokemon that you want to breed, and an open slot. The open slot is important. Also make sure your Poketch is not on the friend checker app. when you save.

Once you have saved, reset your game. When you continue your game, make note of the time (to the minute, not the second). To do this I just synchronized my computer clock to my DS clock. It's important that you get the time correct, or it will not work.

As soon as you start your game, walk around in the grass and catch the first pokemon you see. It should be level 50 or higher since you are using a repel. Since you had an open slot on your team, you'll be able to check the pokemon's stats right away.

In the RNG reporter, select "DPPt egg PID Normal" under the "Method" drop down, check the "Shiny only" check box, and enter your ID and SID. Once you have done that and you've done all of the previous steps, select "DPPt Seed Finder."

In the seed finder, select the "Find Initial Seed by Stats" option. You should have all of the information that is required for this, so input it. If everything is correct, then a seed should appear. Click on it, then hit OK. Once you are back at the RNG Reporter, click "Generate," and you should see a bunch of different pokemon options appear below.

Depending on what you want, you may have a preference on nature or gender or whatever. If what you want doesn't appear, reset and try again. If you see one you like, right click it and select "Calculate Poketch Taps." This will tell you how many times to double click the friend checker app (you will know you have done a successful double click if the pokemon jump up), and how many times to click the coin flip. Do the friend checker first. This is how you advance the RNG to where it needs to be.

Once you have done that, fly directly to Solaceon and put your pokemon in the daycare. If you've done everything correctly, the first egg the old man gives you will be a shiny pokemon.


Again, if you want a better explanation, go to Smogon. I am not an expert on this. If I have made any mistakes or if you have any comments, let me know.
 
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Woo RNG'ing for shinys =D
Its extremely easy and perfectly legitimate, and has more advantages over the other methods :)

To potential RNG'ers, get a ditto from a different languaged game e.g. Japanese if yours is english. It makes RNG'ing a LOT faster when doing the taps
 
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I fished for a Staryu, and founded a shiny Wailord. After that, the Staryu appeared and it was shiny too! I was like "This is un-fucking-real".
I didn't do that that chain business; I've never dabbled in it. I just got two shinies and had a massive hard on.

THAT'S how you do it.
 
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I fished for a Staryu, and founded a shiny Wailord. After that, the Staryu appeared and it was shiny too! I was like "This is un-fucking-real".
I didn't do that that chain business; I've never dabbled in it. I just got two shinies and had a massive hard on.

THAT'S how you do it.

Wow, that sounds like a combination of RNG and sheer luck..
 
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To potential RNG'ers, get a ditto from a different languaged game e.g. Japanese if yours is english. It makes RNG'ing a LOT faster when doing the taps

Explain how. This is the first I've heard of this.
 
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Explain how. This is the first I've heard of this.

When you breed using two pokemon of different languages, instead of generating one pokemon each time you get an egg, it generates 4 and if one is shiny it picks the shiny one. There is an option on the RNG Generator to use a foreign ditto, and usually it requires fewer Poketch taps when you find a seed.
 
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Basically instead of picking "DPPt Egg Normal" pick "DPPt Egg International"

Since Ive gotten my japanese ditto Ive not done over 150 taps most of the time.
 
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Smogon said:
When breeding with two parents from games with different languages (Japanese and US Platinum are examples of different regions) there is a slight modification to the algorithm. When an initial PID is generated by the IRNG the game checks to see if it generates a shiny, and if not the following formula is applied:

PID = PID * 0x6c078965 (Hexadecimal) + 1

Only the first 32 bits of this new PID are kept, so if you are calculating this yourself simply discard any digits higher than the 8th position (in Hexadecimal).

This is repeated a maximum of three times. Each time the multiplication is applied to the PID a check is made to see if it will generate a shiny egg. If so, no further multiplications and are performed and the egg is assigned this PID. This gives us four tries for a shiny Pokémon, increasing our overall odds from 1:8196 to 1:2048.

Sketch, this is what freddie515 is referring to. It is easier to find a shiny with less taps if International parents are used.

Great thread, although it is too general. Also, I do not believe you provided the RNG Reporter, which is essential to this process. It can be found here.

I have RNG abused 5 shinies, but it is more exciting to get shinies through hard work. Now, I RNG abuse natures and sometimes IVs unless I am lazy.
 
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So English Pokemon + Japanese Ditto equals International Parents? When was this discovered?

Does it have to be a Ditto or can it be ANY Japanese Pokemon?

I've RNG'd at least 20 Pokemon. My lowest tap ever being about...16 with my second Ambipom.
 
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When I sometimes play DPP, I RNG abuse for shinies. I cant get my head around legends though. It's very interesting, and well worth it. I got myself a shiny ponyta with two or three flawless IV's.

Also, Sketch, I'm pretty sure it can be any Pokemon. doesnt have to be japenese, it can also be french etc.
 
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Wow, that sounds like a combination of RNG and sheer luck..

This is the first time I've heard of RNG. I was like "... I'll stick to the old fashioned way". 'cause it's gotten me a shiny Milotic, Wailord and Staryu on Platinum. 8D
 
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Sketch, this is what freddie515 is referring to. It is easier to find a shiny with less taps if International parents are used.

Great thread, although it is too general. Also, I do not believe you provided the RNG Reporter, which is essential to this process. It can be found here.

I have RNG abused 5 shinies, but it is more exciting to get shinies through hard work. Now, I RNG abuse natures and sometimes IVs unless I am lazy.

Yeah, I didn't provide any links because I wasn't sure what was against the rules. I didn't want this thread to get deleted, and I figured it would be easy enough to find this stuff through a simple Google search. The main purpose of this thread is to promote awareness and discussion about RNG, not necessarily to be a specific guide since much better ones are readily available.

So English Pokemon + Japanese Ditto equals International Parents? When was this discovered?

Does it have to be a Ditto or can it be ANY Japanese Pokemon?

I've RNG'd at least 20 Pokemon. My lowest tap ever being about...16 with my second Ambipom.

You can use any foreign language pokemon. You've heard of the Masuda method, right? It's basically that applied to RNG abuse.
 
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Yeah, I didn't provide any links because I wasn't sure what was against the rules. I didn't want this thread to get deleted, and I figured it would be easy enough to find this stuff through a simple Google search. The main purpose of this thread is to promote awareness and discussion about RNG, not necessarily to be a specific guide since much better ones are readily available.



You can use any foreign language pokemon. You've heard of the Masuda method, right? It's basically that applied to RNG abuse.

missingno and his long breeding methods :p iv breeding doesn't matter :p its a waste of time get the right egg moves nature and ev train thats all you need
 
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missingno and his long breeding methods :p iv breeding doesn't matter :p its a waste of time get the right egg moves nature and ev train thats all you need

You know this is about shiny pokemon, right?
 
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TheMissingno.: Alright, but as some of the traders (that I have come across..) do not understand IVs, I wonder how far this RNG discussion can go.. Cheers, nonetheless.

To clarify, you can use any foreign language Pokemon, but they must be different. So, do not breed two Japanese Pokemon in an English game.

If you are unsure if a Pokemon is foreign (like a female Pikachu but if it could be French, German, etc), attach an Everstone. If its nature is not passed down 50% of the time, it is foreign.

Also, Meister's Magikarp does not count as foreign.
 
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I got this method to work today (and it also proved that the shiny Kricketune I got was a true random shiny).

The problem I foresee, however, is what will happen to the value of shiny Pokémon? I mean, it makes it easier to get shinies of basically any Pokémon except ones that cannot be bred. Chaining can take hours, whereas abusing the RNG may take only half an hour - you have to catch a random wild Pokémon, enter its stats into the calculator and then just do a bit of tapping. But then, you can also clone shiny Pokémon that have been chained or are random shinies. (I do agree with Missingno. that RNG shinies are still legitimate, though. I mean, the formula that determines the best time to reset the Poké Radar has been discovered, and that's something players wouldn't know otherwise.) The only thing that prevents any player from using it is the fact that you need to know the SID to use the calculator.

It just seems a bit tricky to me.
 
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Can I ask a question about RNGing? I found my secret id, but I am having new problems. First of all is this an international couple? Japanese Ditto, Any English Pokemon. Secondly I am identifying the seeds, but the first egg I get is not shiny. Am I doing something wrong? My Team that I have in hopes of getting this to work is Rayquaza, Ditto, a breedable pokemon, Camerupt, and an empty slot. Parents do not have everstones, app is always the one before happiness checker. I would love answers from anyone who is an expert at this. Thanks, and sorry for the noob question.
 
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The problem I foresee, however, is what will happen to the value of shiny Pokémon?

That isn't my concern.

Can I ask a question about RNGing? I found my secret id, but I am having new problems. First of all is this an international couple? Japanese Ditto, Any English Pokemon. Secondly I am identifying the seeds, but the first egg I get is not shiny. Am I doing something wrong? My Team that I have in hopes of getting this to work is Rayquaza, Ditto, a breedable pokemon, Camerupt, and an empty slot. Parents do not have everstones, app is always the one before happiness checker. I would love answers from anyone who is an expert at this. Thanks, and sorry for the noob question.

Maybe your count is off when you do your friend checker clicks and coin flips? Not really sure what else it could be. If it's finding a seed, then you're doing everything up until then right, otherwise it wouldn't be able to find a seed. And yes, that is an international couple.
 
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OK so first pokemon is always shiny, anyway it may just be my count is off. That is why I try to have an international couple so my taps do not go above 100. (yes I can count to 100, but I get distracted easily and lose count) Anyway I will give this another try. Thanks for replying!
 
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