Should Holly return?

[Cybersai]

The writers brought back Conway and they brought back Aoi after their original arcs ended.

Holly is the only one who never came back. Do you think the writers will show her again, and possibly build up for something with Brock?

 

[Eredar Warlock]

A potential legitimate ship for Brock?

I really, really doubt it.

 

[cascade88]

Whether or not the writers will bring her back...I dunno. That's honestly hard to say. Using Conway and then Aoi as an example, I never actually thought I'd see them return, but they did. So, a part of my mind doesn't want to completely cross off the possibility of Holly coming back, but at the same time, I can't be sure either way.

Now if the issue is should she be brought back? I say absolutely. It's about time someone that Brock has liked likes him back (excluding Ivy and other girls who seemed to like him that he didn't seem to care much about). And she was sorta interesting anyway, and could be developed into a more interesting character, so, for Brock's sake at least, I'd love it if she came back.

 

[Snake Bandage]

My first thought reading the title of the thread was "who's Holly?"

There's your answer.

 

[Piplup]

Since both Enta and Conway returned... why Holly won't? And it'd be a great way to make Brock leave at the end of Sinnoh

As I already said before I'd like to see Brock seriously get in love with her and stop going crazy for other girls but also won't go crazy on her but instead will show a more shy side
While it isn't likely for Pokémon to get that serious with love stuff, I'd love Brock much more if he'll stop being girls crazy and instead have one he truly loves
He isn't funny anymore... Croagunk doesn't help much anymore as well since it gets just as old as Brock (but sure I'd take Croagunk over Misty/Max for the pull Brock away thing)

Not to mention that not only the other two tag characters returned but a lot of the other DP characters are recurring... they really like to have recurring characters now
Johanna, Rowan and his assistants, Paul, Nando (even if he won't reurn, he already appered 3 times), Zoey, Kenny, J, Galactic, Hippopotas (same as Nando), Conway, Enta, Gary, Cynthia and maybe some others I forgot
That's much more than what we had before... and there's some others that might return too like Leona (friend of Dawn, rival to Ash), Minnie (rival to Ash), Allan (rival to Ash)

 

[PDL]

There's a good chance that Holly would return.

But there's no chance that this will mean Brock would leave. You would have to be totally delusional to beleive that.

 

[Piplup]

You can't know that
Only the writers can say that "there's no chance Brock will leave"
Anything can happen... Brock isn't as needed as you think he is... Ash/Misty/Tracey did great without him in the Orange Islands
The group can eat how much they want (and take food with them) in the Pokémon Centers for free
Ash and Dawn already proved they learned from Brock by trying to seach an Oran Berry for Pachi and later Brock explained them why they didn't find the Oran where they searched and also told them they should know these things since one day they might travel alone... so if they'll continue to learn from Brock they won't really -need- him that much anymore and it can be great character development
Dawn also proved she can make Poffin and pancakes (and so I'd guess she can do other things) so it's not like Brock is the only person in the whole Pokémon world that can make food for the group

Brock can leave
Like it or not
Will he leave? we can't know
On one hand you can say how much time he stayed in the show can hint he's going to stay... but on the other hand you can say he'll leave exactly from the same reason since he doesn't do anything and became very boring character now
We can't know what changes to the main characters will happen... all we can do is wait for next generation and see
The writers can do whatever they want

 

[Luna Tiger]

I doubt Brock would drop hat in the middle of the damn story. ...He can't leave until after they hit Snowpoint anyway. *has her fingers crossed; refuses to believe Brock won't see Uxie*

The thing about Holly versus Conway and Aoi is that Aoi and Conway were actually interesting. Conway's mannerisms are enough to bring him back time after time (creepy stalker man kinda guy? That gold for recurring performances), and Aoi spent four episodes being what Anabel couldn't be, the tomboy with a crush, and met in a place that isn't a permanent stay, meaning she has a home somewhere, AND it's recent enough that everyone doesn't have to think back months to go, "Who's she again?"

I'm not sure about Holly returning. She could...but why would she? All we know about her, from way back yonder, is that she can play to Brock and will leave him standing at the proverbial alter once more. Wow, that's motivation for the writers right there.

You didn't get many recurring people with episodes between (who did not turn out to be rivals or GLs) in Hoenn; Nicholai is the only one off the top of my head, and he was the first to really do so; Sakura only did so because we had to go back through Ecruteak, and Chronicles was "inevitable". I don't think Sinnoh will go too crazy on the idea either. If Holly is coming back, it'll be for the reason she left in the first place...but how many random battling competitions can there be?

 

[Piplup]

I doubt Brock would drop hat in the middle of the damn story.

Obviously if he'll leave it'd be at the end of a journey and not randomly at the middle
So they can take the time and build up something with Holly than at the end of Sinnoh Brock can go with her

...He can't leave until after they hit Snowpoint anyway. *has her fingers crossed; refuses to believe Brock won't see Uxie*

I also want Brock and Croagunk to see Uxie (and yes, Croagunk is important too, Ash and Dawn saw Azelf and Mesprit with Pika and Pip so Brock should see Uxie with Croagunk)

The thing about Holly versus Conway and Aoi is that Aoi and Conway were actually interesting.

It's not like Enta was such an interesting character yet he came back
I find Holly much more interesting than Conway and also I think Aoi wasn't interesting at all... she's ok but that's it

meaning she has a home somewhere,

What?... And Holly doesn't have a home somewhere?

AND it's recent enough that everyone doesn't have to think back months to go, "Who's she again?"

Cynthia returned after about 50 episodes
Conway returned after almost 40 episodes
Not to mention Gary disappeared for most of AG and suddenly returned
Also I think people remember the tag tournament and its characters

I'm not sure about Holly returning. She could...but why would she? All we know about her, from way back yonder, is that she can play to Brock and will leave him standing at the proverbial alter once more. Wow, that's motivation for the writers right there.

You think Holly will leave Brock? Why? They have enough time from now to the end of Sinnoh (or DP at all if it includes another journey) to build up a serious thing with Brock and Holly

 

[Cybersai]

If Holly is coming back, it'll be for the reason she left in the first place...but how many random battling competitions can there be?

Well it has to be said, D/P is very different in structure than previous arcs.

There is a lot less filler this saga, it seems like every few eps there's another tournament of some kind or another competition. In D/P its almost constantly BATTLE BATTLE BATTLE, which is unlike any previous saga aside from maybe Battle Frontier.

If the writers are really trying to do more with Brock this saga, they should have a girl who could be his possible love interest or rival return as well. Also, it is quite possible that D/P might be Brock's last saga as a main character, Holly could be the writers way of eventually sending him off at the end.

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

Well, the fact that she appeared in the same episode as Kouhei does not mean that she's supposed to be treated exactly the same way.

I, personally, don't care whether or not she reappears. She is not a game character. She is also not an interesting character. She's good-looking and this is the whole deal about her. To be honest, I would prefer showing off game characters and the recurring characters we already have rather than giving us random reappearances just because "they remember".

I found Kouhei's reappearance pretty random (maybe not as random as Kadzuchi's in Houen but still). Do we really need another random reappearance?

 

[Piplup]

Maxim, did you notice that Holly is kinda based on the Bird Keeper trainers from the games? Just saying because with how much you like game things to get into the show than maybe it'd make you like Holly a little more...
I didn't even notice that until lately when someone here or on Serebii called her "Holly the bird keeper"

EDIT: and Conway might be based on the Super Nerd... the tag tournament also had some of these random trainers based on the games' trainers (like one who was credit in the VA list as "elite trainer" which I think is Cool Trainer in English)

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

Maxim, did you notice that Holly is kinda based on the Bird Keeper trainers from the games? Just saying because with how much you like game things to get into the show than maybe it'd make you like Holly a little more...
I didn't even notice that until lately when someone here or on Serebii called her "Holly the bird keeper"

She is not.

She has some bird Pokemon (though not only! Nosepass says hello!) but I don't see the similarity between her and the Bird Keeper AT ALL! She has red hair and this is all they have in common.

Not everything which somebody says on Serebii must be true...

So sorry. You just failed.

 

[Piplup]

She is not.

She has some bird Pokemon (though not only! Nosepass says hello!) but I don't see the similarity between her and the Bird Keeper AT ALL! She has red hair and this is all they have in common.

Not everything which somebody says on Serebii must be true...

So sorry. You just failed.

Actually if you look at Holly and the Bird Keeper from the games - Holly has that thing on her arm
So that + the fact two of her 3 Pokémon (that are also the only ones who actually saw for more than 1 second still shot) are birds + the fact other game trainers' appeared in this tournament - seems to tell me that one who posted this on Serebii/here is actually right
It's a little hard to notice but Holly IS based on bird keeper - fact like it or not

 

[Maxim Posthumus]

Actually if you look at Holly and the Bird Keeper from the games - Holly has that thing on her arm
So that + the fact two of her 3 Pokémon (that are also the only ones who actually saw for more than 1 second still shot) are birds + the fact other game trainers' appeared in this tournament - seems to tell me that one who posted this on Serebii/here is actually right
It's a little hard to notice but Holly IS based on bird keeper - fact like it or not

Have the animator told you about this?

That's right, the trainers in the tournament were based on Trainer Classes from games. But those were only cameos. Kouhei, who was a generic anime otaku (not some Super Nerd, as some insist) and Honoka who was a normal girl. Maybe there are some similarities between her and the Bird Keeper design but they are so tiny that they could easily be unintended (I know that the other trainers also looked nothing like their game counterparts but they were clearly stated to be of those trainer classes). I don't know... Maybe she is based on that class (based =/= the same), but... does this mean she's meant to reappear? It would be just like having Chiaki & Chinatsu reappear. Random!


And slightly off-topic

The characters that anime ought to show in future episodes are:
1. Tatara/Fuego (after Yosuga, before Mio)
2. Namiki/Eldritch (in Mio, he could ship the characters to Iron Island)
3. Gen/Riley (on Iron Island)
4. Ooba (in Nagisa)
5. Pluto (during one of Ginga appearances)
6. Handsome (he could appear anywhere. But since he's chasing after Ginga, he could appear in some episode with them. Maybe the finale...)

Baku would probably appear in the Sakhalin Island filler series (Sinnoh Battle Frontier, it's very possible) because he's a major character there. I don't see a place for Mai... maybe crowd her in some filler, just like Miru. I think it would do well. And of course, give us more Ginga, some Shirona maybe. And maybe, they could show Futomaki when the characters go back to Lake Valor on the way to Nagisa. Futomaki is angry at his omission during the previous trip to Lake Valor. Maybe Mikan in Nagisa (though I find them pretty optional, but it would be very nice if they showed her) And, of course more Shinji and more Nozomi. Because they're major rivals. Other reappearances like Honoka, Aoi or other characters would be nice after all but I don't feel the need of their appearances. If they want to make them reappear, they can, if they don't want, I'm okay with that as long as they show the characters I WANT them to show.

 

[Piplup]

Maybe there are some similarities between her and the Bird Keeper design but they are so tiny that they could easily be unintended

But if the same episode had characters based on these game trainers... it's probably intended

(I know that the other trainers also looked nothing like their game counterparts but they were clearly stated to be of those trainer classes).

You mean in the VA credits? that's because they wasn't important and didn't get names so they used that instead... Holly did get a name so of course she's credited by her name

I don't know... Maybe she is based on that class (based =/= the same), but... does this mean she's meant to reappear? It would be just like having Chiaki & Chinatsu reappear. Random!

I didn't say she'll return because she's based on bird keeper
I just thought you might like her more since you're so crazy on game stuff getting into the anime
And even if I was wrong (and I don't... seriously it's not a coincidence) you could explain why you think so in a nicer way... no need for these stupid "you fail"

 

[PDL]

Maxim actually has a point this time.

You're putting way WAY too much importance onto a character that doesn't deserve it.

The only thing she really has going for her is the fact that she's a girl. If Brock was teamed up with a guy for the tag battle arc, no one would care at all.

But just because she was a girl, you're automatically assuming that she's Brock's ticket off the show for some blasted reason. (If they really wanted Brock to leave, they would do it in a different fashion. Not by suddenly playing a gag seriously. It's as unlikely as Team Rocket capturing Pikachu and keeping him forever.)

Just please stop pulling things out of thin air and assuming that that's what the writers want.

 

[Piplup]

I didn't say it'll happen for sure - but it's possible
If you think it isn't likely than fine, that's your opinion... but let me have my own opinion (also I'm certainly not the only one who thought of this possibility)
And actually if Brock had a boy partner than I'd think just like Conway this boy could return... I just wouldn't say this boy would have anything to do with Brock leaving

 

[Cybersai]

Why do people say Holly isn't important?

Were Conway or Aoi really important? They had the same importance as Holly in their original arcs until they returned.

Why is it they should return but not Holly?

Didn't people want to see Brock get a rival or a friendly competitor so he's not part of the background? If Holly returns Brock can *gasp* be part of the plot! Shocking?

 

[Casual_Furi]

I feel a vision coming on! Okay, it's some time in the future...Holly did return for an episode but didn't do anything important...You're pissed because you wanted something more from her appearence...whining...more whining...something else happens that you all go and complain about!