Should Misty become an Elite Four Member?

[Cascada]

I'm well aware that Misty is not on the show currently, but at the end of the day she's still a vital character.

When I first joined Sppf, I made this exact same thread 2 years ago.

I believe Misty was a much better trainer than Ash, and since there's been some recent Misty spark, I decided to ask the fans what they think.

Misty's Goal is to be a Water Pokemon Master, but she won't achieve that at the GYM.

Misty should definitely reach Elite Four status before this show is over.

 

[Trainer Yusuf]

She needs more experience. Not now.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

Absolutely not. She is too weak as a trainer and doesn't have that much experience.

 

[Mr. Bicurious]

Absolutely not. She is too weak as a trainer and doesn't have that much experience.

I disagree entirely.

Misty is the strongest of Ash's friends right now. Let me know if you want a play by play.

Misty rocks, period!

Yes, she deserves to be on Cythia status right now.

 

[Falconwing]

Only if the games make her an elite four member. They haven't as of yet, so I say no.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

I disagree entirely.

Misty is the strongest of Ash's friends right now. Let me know if you want a play by play.

Misty rocks, period!

Yes, she deserves to be on Cythia status right now.

There are 31 other Gym leaders who say hello, and 7 from Kanto. Misty is not stronger than lets say Sabrina or Erika from Kanto, they're more deserving of being in E4 then Misty.

 

[Mr. Bicurious]

There are 31 other Gym leaders who say hello, and 7 from Kanto. Misty is not stronger than lets say Sabrina or Erika from Kanto, they're more deserving of being in E4 then Misty.

No disrespect, but I still disagree.

Could you provide factual info as to why this is?

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

I'm well aware that Misty is not on the show currently, but at the end of the day she's still a vital character.

When I first joined Sppf, I made this exact same thread 2 years ago.

I believe Misty was a much better trainer than Ash, and since there's been some recent Misty spark, I decided to ask the fans what they think.

Misty's Goal is to be a Water Pokemon Master, but she won't achieve that at the GYM.

Misty should definitely reach Elite Four status before this show is over.

I completely agree in regards to her being out of the gym and continuing to pursue her goal at becoming a Pokemon Master. I honestly think that being an Elite 4 member at least would be a stepping stone, or at least much better of a stepping stone. At least with being an Elite 4 member, any chances of losing to a rookie trainer and/or a rookie pokemon are minimal, especially compared to a Gym Leader.

I honestly feel that, even with it being a stepping stone, a Gym Leader would actually detract Misty from her goal instead of get her closer. I have always feared since Hoenn that Misty would end up becoming similar to JJM after becoming a GL, and you know how JJM are like (always losing in nearly a OHKO fashion to rookies.). Whether it is with Ash or not, I want Misty out of the Gym and TRAVELING. I mean, Ash never stopped his journey to become a Frontier Brain despite technically acquiring his goal (as the BF was implied to be stronger than, or at least at the same level as, the Elite 4.), so why should Misty?

So, whether she returns to Ash or not, or even whether she becomes an Elite 4 member/champion or not, doesn't matter. As long as she at least tries to actually travel again and NOT be held up at the gym becoming more like JJM in terms of how they lose to rookies instead of actually becoming stronger and virtually invincible, I'll be content.

Although, seeing how there isn't a maybe option, I'll go with yes.

There are 31 other Gym leaders who say hello, and 7 from Kanto. Misty is not stronger than lets say Sabrina or Erika from Kanto, they're more deserving of being in E4 then Misty.

Sabrina probably isn't dangerous anymore due to the fact that she maintained equilibrium as a result of Haunter (the only reason she was even a danger in the first place, and thus why she was virtually unbeatable, was because Sabrina basically out of control with her psychic powers.). And besides, how exactly are we to assume that Sabrina (non-OoC) and Erika is going to be stronger than Misty, anyhow? We don't really have much to compare each of them. For all we know, Misty might actually be stronger, anyhow, just as they could be stronger. As Kengo said, supply proof. I'd supply proof myself about how Misty could be considered very strong, but I won't take away from Kengo's chances (and believe me, I have a lot of proof.).

 

[Our Wasted Years]

No disrespect, but I still disagree.

Could you provide factual info as to why this is?

Sabrina and Erika have higher level Pokemon than Misty, and they aren't the only ones who are stronger than her either. She simply doesn't cut it imo.

 

[nickstr]

Yes but staying in the gym is NOT the way to achieve it in the least. The only way is to leave the gym, go out into the world, and gain experience from actual battles. Misty has quite a bit of experience as is but not enough to become an elite four member and even her team from late Johto could do fairly well. The addition of Gyarados helps especially considering how powerful it can be both Staryu and Starmie are the same way as well given they can not only cover for their weaknesses but also take out other water types easily. Having her leave the gym for an extended period of time would also help to please her fans especially if it means traveling with Ash again.

 

[Falconwing]

No disrespect, but I still disagree.

Could you provide factual info as to why this is?

Well, frankly it's Sabrina. Everyone has issues with her. But since we are discussing anime here... DID YOU SEE SABRINA IN THE ANIME? Seriously, that kind of power exceeds Misty in every way.

 

[PlatinumDude]

No, I don't think Misty should be an E4 member. True, she has some skills, but I don't think she's cut for the job.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Well, frankly it's Sabrina. Everyone has issues with her. But since we are discussing anime here... DID YOU SEE SABRINA IN THE ANIME? Seriously, that kind of power exceeds Misty in every way.

Out-of-Control Sabrina? yes, she definitely was far beyond Misty in that regard (heck, she was so far beyond, that her father even tried to warn trainers to avoid challenging her gym at all costs, implying that her strength and skill is at a dangerous and high level.). Now, if we are talking about Sabrina AFTER meeting Haunter, we can't say for certain, since for all we know, her out-of-control nature (as implied by her Father) was the reason for her great skill, and after she managed to regain mental control and her fractured self fixed itself, as implied in the ending, that might mean that she might have, in a way, grown weaker as a result. There's really no way to tell if Sabrina after meeting Haunter would be stronger or weaker than Misty.

No, I don't think Misty should be an E4 member. True, she has some skills, but I don't think she's cut for the job.

Hey, I can't say with complete certainty that she'll be cut for the job, either, but if her becoming an Elite 4 member allows her to become much closer to her goal of being the worlds greatest Water Pokemon Master, so be it, and I'll support it.

 

[Duckgon Z]

If the games do it, then sure why not?

Anime wise? I don't expect her to until the show ends, something like an epilogue. I also think she's a big enough girl to travel by herself to achieve this and going back to Ash could hinder her more than it could help her, it'd be a giant step backwards, see Brock.

 

[Falconwing]

Out-of-Control Sabrina? yes, she definitely was far beyond Misty in that regard (heck, she was so far beyond, that her father even tried to warn trainers to avoid challenging her gym at all costs, implying that her strength and skill is at a dangerous and high level.). Now, if we are talking about Sabrina AFTER meeting Haunter, we can't say for certain, since for all we know, her out-of-control nature (as implied by her Father) was the reason for her great skill, and after she managed to regain mental control and her fractured self fixed itself, as implied in the ending, that might mean that she might have, in a way, grown weaker as a result. There's really no way to tell if Sabrina after meeting Haunter would be stronger or weaker than Misty.

Actually, since I jsut watched the episode, I can say it was her great power that led to her craziness. But she's still very powerful. Misty is awesome, but she isn't Sabrina.

Anyways, the discussion is moot. The anime is a big commercial. If Misty isn't a member in the games, she will never be one in the anime.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

The anime is a big commercial. If Misty isn't a member in the games, she will never be one in the anime.

Unless it's some weird unnecessary filler I completely agree.

 

[PDL]

Misty fanboying/wanking ITT

Anyway, It's about as likely as Ash becoming a Pokémon Master, May and Dawn both becoming Top Coordinator, Brock becoming a Master Breeder and Max as becoming a Pokémon Master.

Extremely unlikely in the anime's current time frame.

 

[Weedle Mchairybug]

Misty fanboying/wanking ITT

Anyway, It's about as likely as Ash becoming a Pokémon Master, May and Dawn both becoming Top Coordinator, Brock becoming a Master Breeder and [B}Max as becoming a Pokémon Master.[/B]

Extremely unlikely in the anime's current time frame.

Err... don't you mean "becoming a trainer?" I mean, unless you've forgotten, Max can't even begin journeying until he turns ten (He's about 8, remember?), so in the current timeframe of the Anime (or lack thereof, in a technical sense), Max cannot dream of becoming a trainer, never mind a master.

Anyways, the discussion is moot. The anime is a big commercial. If Misty isn't a member in the games, she will never be one in the anime.

So... I guess by that logic, then they should have replaced Ash by Hoenn so he could sulk at Mt. Silver, just like he (or technically his counterpart, Red) did in Generation II, Brock should have actually stayed at the gym during Hoenn and beyond, and we have May and Brendan as the new protagonists, right? Seeing how the anime is supposed to advertize the games, that's exactly how that should have turned out (Ash is useless seeing how he isn't even in Gen III, nevermind playable, and Brock doesn't even travel, anyways in the games.)

Unless it's some weird unnecessary filler I completely agree.

In that case, Ash and Brock's goals are also weird unnecessary fillers as well, seeing how none of their goals will have any resolution, nor are they actually done in the games, nor are they even playable in the recent games.

 

[PDL]

Err... don't you mean "becoming a trainer?" I mean, unless you've forgotten, Max can't even begin journeying until he turns ten (He's about 8, remember?), so in the current timeframe of the Anime (or lack thereof, in a technical sense), Max cannot dream of becoming a trainer, never mind a master.

Pretty well aware of that. Max wants to be a trainer, but I'm pretty sure that's only the first step to becoming a Master.

Dreaming to be a trainer eventually leads to being a master.

 

[Our Wasted Years]

In that case, Ash and Brock's goals are also weird unnecessary fillers as well, seeing how none of their goals will have any resolution, nor are they actually done in the games, nor are they even playable in the recent games.

I think he meant that if she is never given the opportunity as big as that one in the games there simply would be no point to give it to her in the anime. Plus this seems far-fetched, it's been years since Misty was last seen in the anime and there is really no point to make her a E4 member in Kanto if we're going to a new region in Gen5.