So, uh, how about that election?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Mar 3, 2005
Messages
5,219
Reaction score
108
McCain just won South Carolina, which brings his wins up to two and cements his front-runner status - I'd say at this point it becomes a McCain/Romney struggle.

Clinton has beaten Obama in Nevada, but the racial spat has caused a major exodus of black voters to the Obama camp, which may very well give him South Carolina, and then the contest moves to Feb 5 (Florida being irrelevant).
 
Given the field, I field justified in using a certain cliché expression.

Whoever wins, we all lose.
 
And fortunately that takes the Republicans out of the worst of their primaries (they do crazy things in South Carolina). McCain winning over Huckabee basically does make this a two horse race. Gulliani and gone. I'm sorry but he has no traction what so ever going into Super Tuesday.

The Democrats have made Super Tuesday very interesting. Both Obama and Clinton should have two victories going in (though Obama will have won in bigger states if he takes South Carolina). While Clinton will likely do well on the left coast and in the Northeast, Obama will likely do well in the South and more importantly in the Midwest where there are a lot of electoral votes that are up for grabs this year. The real factor could be Edwards. Despite not winning states, he is collecting delegates that could swing the candidacy come convention time. We'll have to see.
 
Obama and McCain are by a fair margin the lesser evils of their respective parties, yet. But one's a newbie, and the other bought into the "welcomed as liberators" line of thought with regard to Iraq, so...
 
It sure looks like its a one-person contest for the Republicans. Although I don't like McCain, I see him probably winning the nomination. Despite Romney winning Michigan and Nevada, I don't see him having any momentum after ceding South Carolina. With his win in S.C., I think McCain will likely sweep Florida, maybe push out other candidates left and head into Super Tuesday (where he has probably gained considerable support in a few states) with most of the delegates.

As for the Democrats, I see Obama winning S.C. (no doubt) but Hillary might lessen the win with her Nevada victory and give her the advantage she needs to win on Super Tuesday. Her best hope is to not send her husband or misguided supporters spreading propaganda. :D

Given the field, I field justified in using a certain cliché expression.

Whoever wins, we all lose.

I agree. My first choice, out of field, is Ron Paul, but unfortunately I don't see him winning the nomination. Its going to be a very tough task to pick the lesser of two evils.
 
And fortunately that takes the Republicans out of the worst of their primaries (they do crazy things in South Carolina). McCain winning over Huckabee basically does make this a two horse race. Gulliani and gone. I'm sorry but he has no traction what so ever going into Super Tuesday.

The Democrats have made Super Tuesday very interesting. Both Obama and Clinton should have two victories going in (though Obama will have won in bigger states if he takes South Carolina). While Clinton will likely do well on the left coast and in the Northeast, Obama will likely do well in the South and more importantly in the Midwest where there are a lot of electoral votes that are up for grabs this year. The real factor could be Edwards. Despite not winning states, he is collecting delegates that could swing the candidacy come convention time. We'll have to see.

Obama will catch the South given the growing race war going on in the Democratic Party, but that may be it for him. Now that the economy's doing poorly, Obama's feel-good hold hands and get together talk won't have too much traction in states hit the hardest. In Nevada, which has one of the highest foreclosure rates (it might even be the highest), people realized that Obama's nothing but talk and turned to Clinton, who they see as the person who knows what to do.
 
The question is not whether or not Clinton knows what to do. The question is if she will do what needs to be done. I personally think she won't.

You're right though, Obama needs to make the rubber meet the road in his campaign.
 
I honestly don't think that a woman can run the USA. I'm not discriminating, because I actually would rather have Hil for a president than W. Bush, but I feel that a woman isn't emotionally able to run the USA. However, anybody in the democrat party can do a better job than W. I blame him for all my family monetary problems:

"We can't spend money on -insert item- because we need gas!"
 
You have to love caucuses. Despite losing the popular vote Obama won more delegates in Nevada. WTF!?
 
I think the tactic that the Clinton camp used in inserting race as a subject in the election, as well as having Bill go out to attack Obama from the side is whats hurting his campaign. I'm no Obama supporter, but as soon as they had the whole issue of Obama's drug usage and the ongoing fights afterward, Obama hasn't been talking about his message, just fighting back with the Clinton machine.

So in that respect, I think Obama is in trouble in that his victory in South Carolina will not be seen as a genuine win over Hillary but something "expected" because of the high percentage of the electorate there being African-Americans.

Don't count Romney out - as long as he has his fortune, he definitely has the ability to compete right down the end. Of course, I see him having a lot of trouble in a general election.

And so its materialized too. Giulliani's now failing strategy and Fred Thompson's dropping out has really allowed him to surge into Florida. This might be the push he needs to topple the financially in danger Huckabee and Rudy.
 
Hillary also has the problem that the people she's shaking off Obama are going to Edwards. She may have sunk herself with this strategy.
 
He did win a large margin, and the delegates may help him, but Florida seems to still remain
a large stronghold for Hillary. Despite the lack of delegates it holds, (if she gets her way with the DNC, she will just swamp Obama), she has that victory and probably a good deal of the large states of Super Tuesday.

Hillary also has the problem that the people she's shaking off Obama are going to Edwards. She may have sunk herself with this strategy.

True, he does have the financial staying power to keep on, though I don't seem him posing too much of a threat primary wise.

The downside of this strategy is that it's completely retarded and ripping the Democratic party apart. This bodes very badly for a general election - especially if Hillary gets the nomination.

I see that as an extremely likely occurrence. The whole schism with Obama might cost her support from African-Americans who just refuse to vote and change voters from the Obama and Edwards camp who just can't accept her as the status quo candidate. It could be a clash of divided parties vying for control of a very divided nation.
 
Some democratic party strategists suggest this might actually be working in Obama's favor because in order to get his supporters, Clinton will have to name him her running mate if she gets the nomination.
 
Some democratic party strategists suggest this might actually be working in Obama's favor because in order to get his supporters, Clinton will have to name him her running mate if she gets the nomination.

From what I've heard on the news, some analysts think the Clintons were hoping Obama woin in SC. They're basically arguing that the Clintons want to paint Obama as the "black candidate," and a landslide victory with over 70% of the black vote for Obama will reinforce that to white Democrats.

Of course, these are the same people who said Obama would win in NH, but it's clear there's a racial divide opening in the Democratic Party.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom