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Speculation: Pokemon and the Wii U
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If the next Battle Sim is on the Wii U...oh man, the battles will look absolutely beautiful! D8 Hopefully the next one will be like PBR, with increased customization, heehee. I'm not really interested in another Colosseum or Stadium, I just want battles in full 3D/HD, nothing more.
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I was discussing this elsewhere and we realized that some of it depends on what they'll do with the 3DS. If they're going to continue to do battle sims, then the novelty of 3D will no longer be present if the handhelds do it, too. If not, then nothing will change, but I fear it would just be PBR again. They sorely need to expand upon it. I, however, would be more inclined to see the console be the home of more spinoffs, expanding what you can do with pokemon.
Your braver than I posting a speculation thread. No doubt soon someone will be along to argue with everyone's speculation and tell them how wrong they are and how what they said was stupid and impossible and never will happen.
I'd love to see a new type of Collosseum style game. At the moment there are a lot of Pokes not available if you only have a Gen 5 game. A Colloseum style game could allow you to get all of them, as well as provide something where you still catch and train Pokemon, thats not 8 gym beat the e4 related.
I'd love it to also include Pokemon you can't legitimately catchyet such as Mew or Celebi. I think the main Pokemon in the story should be Deoxys. Would also make for a nice tie in with RSEmakes
I'd love to see a new type of Collosseum style game. At the moment there are a lot of Pokes not available if you only have a Gen 5 game. A Colloseum style game could allow you to get all of them, as well as provide something where you still catch and train Pokemon, thats not 8 gym beat the e4 related.
I'd love it to also include Pokemon you can't legitimately catchyet such as Mew or Celebi. I think the main Pokemon in the story should be Deoxys. Would also make for a nice tie in with RSEmakes
I'd like to see a new Colosseum/XD style game, but there'll probably be another Battle Revolution style game. It'll be a lot like the first Battle Revolution, but the graphics will be improved and the commands will be on the handheld screen so the battle will be unobstructed. /speculation
What?!?!?! God NO!!!! PBR is EASILY the WORST Pokémon game EVER. It should be like Pokémon Stadium 2 instead!
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Pokémon Snap 2 please, Game Freak!
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I second that motion
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Probably a PBR like game. Maybe another Pikachu one. Hopefully a mystery Dungeon. If Pokemon starts releasing alot and good games for Wii U, I might buy it eventually, but I'm so far dissapointed with the 3DS game turnout, hopefully we'll see some Pokemon titles there in the future. but i wouldn't mind a game that could communicate w/ BW like PBR to DPPt
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How exactly is it the "worst"? Because it didn't have stupid mini-games? Or a completely dry "Gym Leader Castle"? Or a story-mode? I think Stadium 2 is the worst game. You couldn't even use all the Pokemon in mini-games, only certain ones.
And Gym Leader Castle is a perfectly boring thing after you go through it once. Especially after you learn the strategies of the Gym Leaders, and of Prime/Poke/Little Cup, whos team never changes. All the challenge is gone and the only thing standing in your way is normal COM haxes. PBR battles were at least random all the time except for Stargazer Colosseum battles. Meaning it didn't get stagnant and boring.
Seriously, the only real flaw of PBR is the admittedly limited customization, and the fact that it was released waaaaay too early. If it had waited until at least Platinum came out, I'm sure reception would have been much warmer. In the end, PBR is a battle-sim, which is the true core of Pokemon: battling. We don't need pointless fillers like mini-games, story, "Trainer School", and so on. Those are better fitted for the main-games, not for a battle-sim spin-off.
That's all I wanted out of Stadium and Colosseum, to just battle right away with my own Pokemon. That's why I think PBR is the much better game. Really now, the next PBR will certainly be a vast improvement over Wii's PBR, especially if it improves the trainer-customization system. THAT is the best feature of PBR, and I'd love to do much more with it. They'd look much better in HD, and so would the battles.
I highly disagree. There was a point where you could get bored of battling, and it would've been nice to have other options like mini-games or the Trainer School. And what are you talking about? The mini-games were awesome. Also, the Gym Leader Castle was very cool. It provided a great challenge, especially in Round 2, where it was nearly unbeatable. PBR only offers battling and battling and battling and that's it. Plus, in PBR, if you didn't own Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold or SoulSilver you couldn't do absolutely anything, because the team they gave you was useless and it was impossible to beat the game with that team. In Stadium you had 249 Rental Pokémon to choose. The battles were much better in Stadium as well. In Battle Revolution they're slow, boring, the physical animations were awful, and it was awkward when Pokémon missed their moves because they would just stand there staring at their opponent instead of actually executing the move. The soundtrack. Oh God the soundtrack. Stadium 2 had remixes of the classical tunes found in the handheld games, while PBR had some new tracks that weren't that good. The sounds. In Stadium, Pokémon had more realistic remixes of their actual cries. In PBR they had their standard cries. Stadium is just so much better in soooo many different aspects, it's not even worth to compare them. All in all, Stadium 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A pile of crap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PBR. Period.
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That's all Pokemon is once you finish the story. It's battling, battling, battling. And like I said just before, once you figure out the moves of the Gym Leaders and etc, you'll have a much easier time. I'd rather have different, random battles than the same opponents and Pokemon every time. And the animations look great for a 2006 Wii game. Physical contact moves actually looked like physical content instead of attack -> cut to Pokemon getting hit.
And the rental Pokemon of PBR are amazing once you utilize your brain and make a strategy out of them. And you can switch them out when you win Round 2 of Gateway Colosseum. The real crappy rental Pokemon are the rentals of Stadium 2. The rental Charizard uses ember. Freakin' EMBER. I rest my case.
And the mini-games were "awesome"? Awesome how? The only ones of any merit are the Chansey and Hitmontop games, and that's being very generous. The fact that you can only use certain Pokemon is very boring, and a little bit lazy. I know it was the N64, there wasn't a lot of room, blah blah blah, but it doesn't excuse how boring they get after a while.
In the end, the core of Pokemon is battling, so PBR makes the most of it with nothing but battles, and it is the best for that. If one wants mini-games again so bad, they can go play PokePark Wii.
Edit: As for Pokemon cries, I very much prefer the Hoenn/Shinnoh Pokemon cries, rather than making them "sound real". I hate admitting that I wish the Kanto/Johto Pokemon would use their Stadium cries. >>
Plus the music of PBR is great. They made their own tracks, instead of lazily remixing the game's songs. I suggest you go actually give the music a listen, there are a lot of gems in them.
One more thing I want to mention is the variety of battles in PBR. There's the standard singles/doubles battles, and Little/Rental battles. Then there's a Survival battle, a "Select" battle, and the Nintendo-Hard Stargazer Colosseum battles. There is also a pure Luck (and good-aim) Based Colosseum, where you might possibly have to face off against your own Pokemon if your aim and timing is off. Those all become really hard challenges, more than the stale battle style of Stadium 2.
PBR may have sacrificed "good" fillers, but it made up for it with a much richer battling experience, and that's all a battle-sim needs. I won't resort to crude analogies, but PBR is certainly still much better than Stadium 2.
And the rental Pokemon of PBR are amazing once you utilize your brain and make a strategy out of them. And you can switch them out when you win Round 2 of Gateway Colosseum. The real crappy rental Pokemon are the rentals of Stadium 2. The rental Charizard uses ember. Freakin' EMBER. I rest my case.
And the mini-games were "awesome"? Awesome how? The only ones of any merit are the Chansey and Hitmontop games, and that's being very generous. The fact that you can only use certain Pokemon is very boring, and a little bit lazy. I know it was the N64, there wasn't a lot of room, blah blah blah, but it doesn't excuse how boring they get after a while.
In the end, the core of Pokemon is battling, so PBR makes the most of it with nothing but battles, and it is the best for that. If one wants mini-games again so bad, they can go play PokePark Wii.
Edit: As for Pokemon cries, I very much prefer the Hoenn/Shinnoh Pokemon cries, rather than making them "sound real". I hate admitting that I wish the Kanto/Johto Pokemon would use their Stadium cries. >>
Plus the music of PBR is great. They made their own tracks, instead of lazily remixing the game's songs. I suggest you go actually give the music a listen, there are a lot of gems in them.
One more thing I want to mention is the variety of battles in PBR. There's the standard singles/doubles battles, and Little/Rental battles. Then there's a Survival battle, a "Select" battle, and the Nintendo-Hard Stargazer Colosseum battles. There is also a pure Luck (and good-aim) Based Colosseum, where you might possibly have to face off against your own Pokemon if your aim and timing is off. Those all become really hard challenges, more than the stale battle style of Stadium 2.
PBR may have sacrificed "good" fillers, but it made up for it with a much richer battling experience, and that's all a battle-sim needs. I won't resort to crude analogies, but PBR is certainly still much better than Stadium 2.
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Well, again, I disagree. Battling shouldn't be all there is to Pokémon. It's always good to have other options in case you get tired of battling. The animations were extremely awkward. Pokémon moved slowly towards their opponent and the opponent would just stand there waiting to be attacked. The execution of physical moves took an entire life. I like Stadium's style much more.
I do agree that most of the rental Pokémon in Stadium 2 had really crappy movesets. The good movesets were used on unevolved Pokémon (Houndour got Flamethrower and Crunch while Houndoom got Ember and Bite). However, there are some Pokémon with good movesets. And, most importantly, there was variety. How can you beat a game using a Prinplup with freaking BubbleBeam and Metal Claw?
All mini-games were good in Stadium 2 (well, Furret's and Golbat's not so much) but come on, Igglybuff's and Cleffa's was very fun. Eevee's was very cool. Pichu's was very fun as well. And what about Scyther's and Pinsir's? (And Scizor's if you had one in your Gold/Silver/Crystal cartridge). About not being able to choose whatever Pokémon for every mini-game, I really can't see how this is possible. It's like wanting to use your Charizard in Donphan's mini-game, or like wanting to use your Quagsire in Pichu's mini-game. Mini-games were based on specific Pokémon with specific abilities, after all.
I agree with you about Hoenn's and Sinnoh's cries. After all, technology had advanced by the time those games came out so the cries didn't sound crappy, but Gen 1's and Gen 2's cries needed to sound realistic. They should have used those realistic sounds from Stadium in PBR, to be honest.
The music in PBR is not bad, it's just "meh". I'd rather have remixes of the classical tunes found in the games at any time of the day (maybe that's just me; I'm very nostalgic). I got the chills when I heard Silver's theme remixed for Lance's battle. Johto's Gym Leader Castle theme is just epic too.
I do compliment the variety of battles there is in PBR. I'll give you that. There are many styles of battling, but then again, that shouldn't be everything there is to a Pokémon game. One can get bored (or frustrated) of battling at one point. When that happens, then what?
And come on! You have to recognize that some of the things they made with that game were just nonsensical. Four people participate in double battles, and the Wii can handle four players at the same time. Hello, Game Freak?! Ring a bell?? Didn't you ever think about letting four people participate in the same battle at the same time like in the handheld games? And what about letting your opponent see your moveset instead of having it hidden like in Stadium 1 and 2? Why does the second player have to wait for the first player to choose their Pokémon in order to choose theirs? Also, the menus. Bland, boring, and the stupid receptionist asks way too many silly questions.
I defend my viewpoint: I think PBR was a very lazily made game and could've been much, much better. I still think it sucks and Stadium 2 was a much richer game in terms of replay value and everything else.
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That's why I pointed out PokePark Wii. That game should be more than enough to satisfy the need for Pokemon mini-games. It's not hard to change discs. Plus take note that in PBR, there was 493 Pokemon to model/texture/animate/etc, compared to Stadium. They had room to add more things with less Pokemon.
As for battle animations, the battles are coordinated matches based on fair rules, and opponents move in turns attacking. This isn't the anime where you can short "dodge!" to make your Pokemon move. I always saw the in-game battles as Pokemon taking turns hitting each other. I do admit they could have done SOMETHING for a "miss", though.
Yes a few rentals had good movesets, but only a handful compared to a vast many. And the first set of rentals in PBR indeed suck, but like I said, once you reach round 2 of Gateway Colosseum, you can trade one rental for your opponent's Pokemon. With determination, hard work, and some luck, you'll end up with a team of great rental Pokemon. Unlike Stadium, there appears to be more than 1 type of moveset and stat distribution per Pokemon. For example, one Infernape might be packing a physical moveset with Mach Punch, but you might face a more special-oriented Infernape instead. The rental Pokemon remain the same (except for Little Cup pre-evolved Pokemon IIRC).
The only real "Variety" of rental Pokemon present in Stadium was a Free Battle Challenge Cup.
Huh I forgot about the Scyther/Pinsir game. I loved that one. Maybe not EVERY Pokemon for every mini-game, but they could have figured SOMETHING out. The Iggly/Cleffa game is just counting; Eevee is just a 5-round timing game;and Pichu was a button masher, standard mini-game fare. There's nothing really groundbreaking or exciting there.
They should have indeed. The Gen I and II cries sound so awful. "OTL There's one thing we agree on, haha.
Remixes of old tracks are nice indeed, but I'd rather have new music. I play a new game, I want new music.
When one gets bored or frustrated, they can turn off the game and cool off on a different game. There are other Pokemon spin-offs that have/are mini-games. PokePark Wii being the biggest example. There's also Pokemon Rumble Blast, or Pokemon Trozei. Or even Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. Of course battling isn't all of Pokemon, but that's what those spin-offs exist for. PBR is for battling.
That's why I point out that PBR's only real flaw is how early it was released. WAY too early in Gen IV. Game Freak didn't make PBR btw, Genius Sorority did, the same guys who brought us Colosseum/XD. Clearly this was their first shot at a Pokemon-based Wii game, and it is a little eh in the multiplayer/menu department. But since the main point of the game is battling, it's not such a big deal.
"Sucks" is the wrong word to describe PBR dude. It's the only game so far to battle with Shinnoh Pokemon in 3D. It is an excellent game for what the name implies: BATTLING. It's no Stadium 3, so it's unfair to judge it based on what Stadium has.
Oh yes, forgive me for that one. I forgot it was Genius Sorority. Maybe you're right, it doesn't suck, but it feels "bland", to say the least. It feels like a rushed game. Maybe with some more time, they'll learn from their mistakes and will end up taking the good parts from both Stadiums and PBR. I hope they announce something soon and don't disappoint us!
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Wii U Mystery Dungeon? I hope so as well. I'm already going to get the WII U due to Pikmin 3, since no pokemon titles have been annonced. I have an idea, you can see it in 3d on your tv, but on the game pad you can see it like in the Ds and Gba games.