Spore VS Sleep Powder

[ManUtd22]

Hi everyone,

In this thread, I do want to see a debate for both Spore against sleep powder; because I do love Sleep Powder, and hate spore, with don't know what the point from spore, after having sleep powder

So what do you think guys

 

[Stratelier]

The first and most obvious difference between the two is their accuracy: Spore is 100% accurate (will never miss under default accuracy/evasion circumstances) while Sleep Powder is only 75% - more reliable than Thunder but less than Fire Blast.

 

[ManUtd22]

The first and most obvious difference between the two is their accuracy: Spore is 100% accurate (will never miss under default accuracy/evasion circumstances) while Sleep Powder is only 75% - more reliable than Thunder but less than Fire Blast.

Ok, this could be a difference but really if you have a sleep powder, then you don't need spore. If Spore is attack for another type then thaaat's fine but two sleep attacks for one type is not good

 

[PurplePopplio]

Spore >>> Sleep Powder. An attack with 100% accuracy that puts the foe to sleep? Yes, please! This is why so many people hate Spore.

 

[ManUtd22]

Spore >>> Sleep Powder. An attack with 100% accuracy that puts the foe to sleep? Yes, please! This is why so many people hate Spore.

As i said my friend, I do love Sleep powder, and hate spore, and to me then there is no point from spore, because one sleeping attack is good. If spore is another type's attack then that's fine, but grass has both sleep powder, and spore is not good

 

[Karamazov]

Ok, this could be a difference but really if you have a sleep powder, then you don't need spore. If Spore is attack for another type then thaaat's fine but two sleep attacks for one type is not good

You don't usually need two sleep-inducing moves. But if I had the option of choosing between them, I'd go for the better/more reliable option. If anything, Sleep Powder's just the extra; it's the Ember to Spore's Flamethrower.

The only thing (from what I see - I could be wrong) Sleep Powder has over Spore, is that it's not so exclusive. Spore's exclusive to mushroom Pokemon, while Sleep Powder's available for most Grass types.

 

[Slife]

The only reason a Pokemon would run Sleep Powder is if it doesn't have access to Spore.

 

[ManUtd22]

You don't usually need two sleep-inducing moves. But if I had the option of choosing between them, I'd go for the better/more reliable option. If anything, Sleep Powder's just the extra; it's the Ember to Spore's Flamethrower.

The only thing (from what I see - I could be wrong) Sleep Powder has over Spore, is that it's not so exclusive. Spore's exclusive to mushroom Pokemon, while Sleep Powder's available for most Grass types.

Yes, this could be a good answer, and I am glad to read your answer, but I still disagree for one point. If I want both spore, and sleep powder, and one pokemon only do it, what should I do?

I should choose the one who can happen usually, and has the time and have the times of attack more, such as 10/10, or 20/20, or 30/30, or 35/35, and so on; because I want to give a different of attacks also

About Ember, it is the for a new pokemon, but flamethrower is attack for higher level pokemon.

But, i do agree with you for choosing the better, and for not need two sleep-inducing moves for one type

The only reason a Pokemon would run Sleep Powder is if it doesn't have access to Spore.

And, I don't think that they should do it for Grass, at least give it to bug. Bug can do also a sleep powder.

 

[PurplePopplio]

I'd say that Hypnosis is the Ember to Spore's Flamethrower. Sleep Powder is more like Fire Blast, powerful when accurate, but misses at crucial times.

 

[BlindCaptainDrip]

Trick Room team can definitely utilize an Adamant Breloom with Spore and Focus Punch.. but run the same thing with Sleep Powder and it's not even close.

 

[Crimson Dagger]

I would like to add that a couple of the main problems that Spore has is that all of the 'mons that can learn it are slower than molasses in January. Also, those that can learn this move are all grass-types, & as far as I know, it's one of the weakest types in Pokémon.

Did I mention that the move itself is impossible to breed onto other 'mons as well?

 

[Matleo]

I have a other question, should those move stop working during hail, sandstorm and rain?
Or if your oponent or you use Tailwind, should they get backfired?
The game needst to start working more logical.
How can powder moves work during rain? or how can powder moves go to oponent if the strong wind is against you?

 

[Sakuraa]

Spore has a cooler name, but I've used more Pokemon that learn Sleep Powder, so I suppose I'm biased to it myself. So I'd say I prefer I Sleep Powder for than reason.

 

[lavandula]

If one's more reliable at 100%, what's the point of even liking the 75% one?
75% is hardly reliable enough for usage in VGC.

Have you learnt about probability in school yet?

Anyways, Sleep Powder doesn't even have more PP.
Since they have the same PP, there's absolutely no merit of Sleep Powder over Spore.

 

[SpikOriundo]

Or if your oponent or you use Tailwind, should they get backfired?

That... actually makes sense. And is kinda funny.

 

[Envoy]

If one's more reliable at 100%, what's the point of even liking the 75% one?
75% is hardly reliable enough for usage in VGC.

Have you learnt about probability in school yet?

Anyways, Sleep Powder doesn't even have more PP.
Since they have the same PP, there's absolutely no merit of Sleep Powder over Spore.

Sleep Powder's distribution is considerably better. Spore is limited to only mushroom Pokémon, and only Breloom/Amoongus can use it reliably.

 

[ManUtd22]

Firstly thank you very much my best friends for good answers

I'd say that Hypnosis is the Ember to Spore's Flamethrower. Sleep Powder is more like Fire Blast, powerful when accurate, but misses at crucial times.

Well, the problem is that sleep powder was so important attack when ash in kanto, but now I don't know what happened to this attack in the anime, and in game. It is looks like that it is disappeared forever. Furthermore, the important from sleeping attacks is how many times you able to use them before using ether to restore the energy, and the percentage of not miss. For example, I do use Yawn, and love this attack even if you need to attack again before it happen.

Trick Room team can definitely utilize an Adamant Breloom with Spore and Focus Punch.. but run the same thing with Sleep Powder and it's not even close.

My friend, the important of these attacks is how many time it works, not to which pokemon it can work. I do think that Spore, sleep powder, yawn, dark void, and hypnosis are mostly same in the job, even if i do love all of yawn, sleep powder, and dark void

I would like to add that a couple of the main problems that Spore has is that all of the 'mons that can learn it are slower than molasses in January. Also, those that can learn this move are all grass-types, & as far as I know, it's one of the weakest types in Pokémon.

Did I mention that the move itself is impossible to breed onto other 'mons as well?

The problem with spore is that it s copy paste from sleep powder if you ask me my friend. I do think that we should have one attack that sleep the pokemon for grass. At least give spore for bugs. But I didn't understand this " Can learn it are slower than molasses in January".

I have a other question, should those move stop working during hail, sandstorm and rain?
Or if your oponent or you use Tailwind, should they get backfired?
The game needst to start working more logical.
How can powder moves work during rain? or how can powder moves go to oponent if the strong wind is against you?

Well, glad to read this great idea my friend so thank you.

Yes, this idea is good; because it is a time to see that the weather can affect these attacks so the game become more difficult.

Spore is a far better move. I don't even like Sleep Powder, since I get too many misses with it.
Talking about 75% accuracy powder moves, I'd rather use Stun Spore over Sleep Powder.

Hi my best friend, aand glad to see you again in my thread as usual. Well, I do have a habit with sleep powder when I was child as the time of yellow, and red; so I do love sleep powder.
But, glad to see you ideas.

Spore has a cooler name, but I've used more Pokemon that learn Sleep Powder, so I suppose I'm biased to it myself. So I'd say I prefer I Sleep Powder for than reason.

Well the sleep powder is much cooler name than spore my best friend hahaha, but i agree with you for Sleep Powder is much better than spore

If one's more reliable at 100%, what's the point of even liking the 75% one?
75% is hardly reliable enough for usage in VGC.

Have you learnt about probability in school yet?

Anyways, Sleep Powder doesn't even have more PP.
Since they have the same PP, there's absolutely no merit of Sleep Powder over Spore.

Are you talking with you me when you said about probability. If you talk with me, then yes I do learnt about it. Anyways, I do prefer sleep powder even f the accuracy is 100% of 75%.

That... actually makes sense. And is kinda funny.

Yes, I do agree with you, and That... actually makes sense.

Sleep Powder's distribution is considerably better. Spore is limited to only mushroom Pokémon, and only Breloom/Amoongus can use it reliably.

Good answer my friend, and I like it. Sleep powder's s distribution is considerably better

 

[Stratelier]

Did I mention that the move itself is impossible to breed onto other 'mons as well?

Yeah, Spore is a signature move in the sense that only explicitly mushroom-based Pokemon can even get it. (Its Japanese name is specifically "Mushroom spore".)

 

[Sana]

Spore is the ultimate sleep-inflicting move. That it's only on a few hard to use pokemon is the point.
If a pokemon uses Sleep Powder it's because it cannot use Spore.
75% is a good accuracy for sleep though, there's a good reason Sleep Powder is still used anyways. The "ember" in this case would be Sing or Hypnosis. Spore is more like, Sacred Fire or something.

What upsets me though is that it's specifically "Mushroom Spore", which limits what kind of pokemon would use it. Imagine if Shuckle, as a mold, could use it.

 

[Muur]

If you have access to Spore then Sleep Powder isn't needed but Spore is very limited, whislt Sleep Powder has a lot of users.

There is no reason to ever use Sleep Powder over Spore. If my Roserade army could get Spore they would be very happy.

If all that had access to Sleep Powder had Spore though, it would be broken and probably banned by Smogon