Starter battle. Who comes out on top?

Which region's starters are the best?

  • Kanto

    Votes: 21 32.3%

  • Johto

    Votes: 16 24.6%

  • Hoenn

    Votes: 8 12.3%

  • Sinnoh

    Votes: 20 30.8%
  • Total voters
    65
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In an all out battle between each region's starters, which set would come out on top?

Would it be Kanto's Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise?

Or Johto's Meganium, Typhlosion and Feraligatr?

Maybe Hoenn's Sceptile, Blaziken and Swampert

Or what about Sinnoh's Torterra, Infernape and Empoleon?


Moreover, which individual starter would win in a free for all?

Post your theories!
 
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Gen I's starters, because they have Charizard, who could fly to get hit by enemy attacks. And Venasaur could also use his poisonous skills to poison enemies. There's no way they could lose.

Also, Gen II has Feraligator, so they fail automatically, Gen III has two pokemon who would fail to Charizard, and Gen IV has two pokemon who are too slow for anything that flies.

That's just my two cents though.
 
Kanto.
Enough said.

Too many weaknesses on the other teams while Kanto has many strengths.
 
Sinnoh's are probably the best, but I put Kanto. I guess I lied on another poll. It happens a lot, but it's always accidental, I swear.
 
I love how nobody's actually done anything to work out why Kanto is just better.

For the purposes of this, I'm assuming everything has perfect IVs, bland natures and no hold items, placing them on as close to even terms as possible.

If you look at the tiers of the Pokémon involved, Hoenn and Sinnoh have the immediate advantage of having one OU Pokémon (Swampert and Infernape) each. Swampert has two different kinds of STAB move to take on Infernape with. All Infernape has to fight back with is Grass Knot. While Infernape has no problem outspeeding Swampert, it's taking on the starter with the highest base stat total, giving Swampert (and thus Hoenn) another edge. Hoenn wins.

Also, Swampert gets Water moves allowing it to take on the Fire-types, Earthquake to take out Empoleon and Ice Punch for the Grass-types. In particular, it's strong against Torterra. The only thing it needs to watch out for is Sceptile, which would be on its side anyway.
 
PanicAttack said:
I love how nobody's actually done anything to work out why Kanto is just better.

For the purposes of this, I'm assuming everything has perfect IVs, bland natures and no hold items, placing them on as close to even terms as possible.

If you look at the tiers of the Pokémon involved, Hoenn and Sinnoh have the immediate advantage of having one OU Pokémon (Swampert and Infernape) each. Swampert has two different kinds of STAB move to take on Infernape with. All Infernape has to fight back with is Grass Knot. While Infernape has no problem outspeeding Swampert, it's taking on the starter with the highest base stat total, giving Swampert (and thus Hoenn) another edge. Hoenn wins.

Also, Swampert gets Water moves allowing it to take on the Fire-types, Earthquake to take out Empoleon and Ice Punch for the Grass-types. In particular, it's strong against Torterra. The only thing it needs to watch out for is Sceptile, which would be on its side anyway.
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Against Swampert, Kanto would throw out Venusaur. Venusaur has a base speed of 80 to Swampert's 60. Any grass attack from Venusaur will take out Swampert with his x4 weakness. Blaziken fears Charizard because of their typing, and Sceptile's medeocre-ish attack and lack of special attacks would make it difficult for it to OHKO Blastoise. I think Kanto would beat Hoenn.

Edit: Actually I lied. Sceptile would probably OHKO Blastoise with Leaf Storm.
 
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Lawl, which Generation's starters are OU, as opposed to UU or NU? Sinnoh...? Which region contains the most common and broken OU starter? Sinnoh...?

D:

And, um. Empoleon is OU.
 
They would all stare each other down for a few minutes, then Ash's Totodile would defeat them all with its Tototototototototototototo dance.
 
Politoed666 said:
Lawl, which Generation's starters are OU, as opposed to UU or NU? Sinnoh...? Which region contains the most common and broken OU starter? Sinnoh...?

D:

And, um. Empoleon is OU.
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So? That doesn't mean they'll be good against these particular pokemon. And Sinnoh starters were cursed with Torterra, who fears both fire and water starters.
 
Tier placements don't matter. I've beaten Swamperts with my Typhlosion and entire OU teams with my Houndoom so saying "X pokemon is OU so Y region wins" is not really much of an argument.

Lets discuss the starters.

Oh, and for the purpose of this thread, lets say they're all level 100, Quirky natured with no items, 0 EVs and max IVs, okay?
 
that depends on the match ups doesn't it? because if Hoenn begins with blaziken, and Sinnoh with torterra, then torterra would switch out to empoleon, who'd be ohko'd with sky uppercut if predicted right. Then trying to play mind games Hoenn goes to swapert (sponging empoleon's hits and hoping to get an earthquake in etc. etc. etc. etc....) It's all based on psychology.

One thing, the johto and Kanto have the least change of winning, because they're less able to play the moveset mind games that Hoenn and Sinnoh can use.
 
Are we doing a battle royale, one-on-one battle (with switching), or a tourney?
 
Sinnoh. Torterra if it gets in first can take out both Infernape (earthquake) and Emploeon (earthquake) too other fully evolved grass starters don't get this and being ground it resists ground attacks which usually does not happen, but being grass helps.

Infernape can 1HK0 any Emploeon with Close combat if trained right and Emploeon can make a great mixed sweeper (substatute, grass knot, surf and blizzard/icebeam holding leftovers) - could deal bad damage to Torterra and infernape with this combo and if it can substatute first, it can negate the 1HKO close combat infernape.
 
Ho-Oh said:
Are we doing a battle royale, one-on-one battle (with switching), or a tourney?
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Just use your imagination. If you want, you can give your opinion on who'd win in each and every scenario you can come up with. The question is rather vague but basically, overall, which set would wind up winning more
 
Shinx3000 said:
Sinnoh. Torterra if it gets in first can take out both Infernape (earthquake) and Emploeon (earthquake) too other fully evolved grass starters don't get this and being ground it resists ground attacks which usually does not happen, but being grass helps.

Infernape can 1HK0 any Emploeon with Close combat if trained right and Emploeon can make a great mixed sweeper (substatute, grass knot, surf and blizzard/icebeam holding leftovers) - could deal bad damage to Torterra and infernape with this combo and if it can substatute first, it can negate the 1HKO close combat infernape.
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Torterra has a base 56 speed, so he's not going first. That is the lowest base speed of any starter. He will get killed if an ice attack touches him, and will get killed or severely damaged by a fire attack with his base 85 SpD. He also does not have the luxury of resisting other grass attacks. Torterra is probably most likely to fail in this battle.

How is that Empoleon set mixed? Those are all special attacks.
 
Torterra has a base 56 speed, so he's not going first. That is the lowest base speed of any starter. He will get killed if an ice attack touches him, and will get killed or severely damaged by a fire attack with his base 85 SpD. He also does not have the luxury of resisting other grass attacks. Torterra is probably most likely to fail in this battle.
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If it's able to survive an attack, it can do just as much bad damage using earthquake if it had the right nature to have stronger attack to both infernape and emploeon, so it really balances out (if torterra is holding focus band or is it sash?)

How is that Empoleon set mixed? Those are all special attacks.
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Well I meant sweeper.
 
Shinx3000 said:
If it's able to survive an attack, it can do just as much bad damage using earthquake if it had the right nature to have stronger attack to both infernape and emploeon, so it really balances out (if torterra is holding focus band or is it sash?)



Well I meant sweeper.
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We're assuming they all have a neutral nature, no items and no EVs
 
We're assuming they all have a neutral nature, no items and no EVs
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Well never said that on the first post and I didn't really read all posts, so I assumed it was ok to say
 
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