uncutpokemon
TPCi needs to fire Goldfarb!
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since no one else has had the guts to start a group like this, i decided to. as we all know pokemon has always been an anime were all the original background music being used was not quite a high expectation from fans. but that was back when pokemon was under the hands of 4kids (who we all know has just about no respect for anime to start with) but now it is under the control of PUSA, who has never had any former experience with dubbing anime, and is not likely going to be dubbing any other anime in the future (hence the name Pokemon USA). now at first when we all heard about 4kids losing an anime we all though "yay pokemon is saved" because even though pokemon is probably their best dub ever (which isn't really saying much for them), it was far from what would be called a "good" dub! after PUSA was announced to have gotten pokemon the first bit of news is that the voices were going to be replaced, fans rioted like it was the end of the world. but eventually we find out that these new voices will be tested on a new U.S. made special called Mirage Master. when it first aired the voices needed a bit of work (but they got better over time), however there was one thing that made the special give us hope that the new dub would be good, the music. the music in this special was without a doubt excellent, and that is something that all the fans (except for Maddie, the former voice of Meowth) can agree on. then right before the dub premiered, a statement was made by someone representing PUSA stating that they will be trying to keep more of the original music intact, while using their own music sometimes. at first only a few bits of the music slipped through, but it was somewhat understandable due to lots of the music that was changed was music that the dub has never heard before (and in the middle of the saga would be way too awkward) was to say the least ok, not to mention the fact the the replaced music was at least able to stand still for more then 15 sec. so it was not asking for to much to go easy on them during BF. then came DP, the Japanese version starts using brand new music that has never been used before, this is a perfect chance for PUSA to start over, for them to be able to finally start keeping more of the music then they have so far. i was at first convinced that PUSA want to keep as much of the BGM intact as much as possible, only changing it when they really have to, but DP is proof that they could care less. in the most recent episodes, the only music that we get to hear intact is either if it's the occasional old tune being used from the past, or a few of the new pieces during battle scenes, but all the rest of the new music gets replaced with old scrap music from the days of 4kids that i was hoping i would never have to hear again. and truth be told, when one of the 4kids tunes is playing in the episode, then a battle starts that keeps in one of the new tunes intact, the transition is not very good at all. at this point i see no reason at all to be changing so much of the music like this, it's a new series and it should be treated like one. here's my solution for every kind of music piece that gets used in the Japanese version, and how to handle it in the dub:
new piece of music that was made for DP and never used before - keep it intact, there's no reason not to be using it.
old piece of music that we've heard before, and has in the past been getting kept by PUSA - this one is not a problem, since so far they have been keeping these pieces intact when used.
old piece of music that only the Japanese version uses, PUSA replaces it when used in the past - there are two decent ways to handles this, the 1st and preferred way is to start keeping it, and claim it to be one of the new ones, no one will notice except for the fans who will more likely be glad to hear being used. the 2nd solution is that if they really can't use it, that they can replace it with ONE OF THEIR OWN TUNES, not one from the 4kids scrap pile, but be sure to have the replacement be one that gives a similar feel (i have been hearing of goofy music in the original being replaced with serious music that completely changes the feel) but just use some common sense here.
Japanese vocal song that does not have an already made English version - four solutions for this one, wow. 1st solution is to just keep the damn song intact, kids aren't going to turn off the tv just because they hear a song in Japanese being played (if you must, you can even put subtitles on the bottom so we can understand). 2nd solution is to make an English vocal of the song, it's not that hard seeing as most of these are sung by one of the Japanese voice actors, so just have your English equivalent sing the song in English (most of these songs are done by Ash's Japanese voice Rika, so over here have Sarah do an English vocal, and i hear that Sarah has a really good singing voice) while keeping the tune intact, and the words as close to the original as possible. 3rd solution is the just use an instrumental version of the song, keeping the tune intact, but removing the words. 4th solution that does get done at times is to replace it with one of your own songs, which so far have been very impressive to a point were it's almost as good as the original.
Japanese vocal song that already does have an English vocal song for it - i only can think of three songs that fall under this category, Polka o Dolka (Gotta Dance), Takeshi's Paradise (Brock's Paradise?), and Type: Wild which although not made in the US, or used in the dub yet, the fact that an English version was created means that there is no need to replace it with anything else, although i'm not sure if any of those songs are going to be used in the future, but if they are, a replacement is out there.
if these things are done for the music, we can get a better dub over in the US and i hope that i get some support from the fans. thank you.
new piece of music that was made for DP and never used before - keep it intact, there's no reason not to be using it.
old piece of music that we've heard before, and has in the past been getting kept by PUSA - this one is not a problem, since so far they have been keeping these pieces intact when used.
old piece of music that only the Japanese version uses, PUSA replaces it when used in the past - there are two decent ways to handles this, the 1st and preferred way is to start keeping it, and claim it to be one of the new ones, no one will notice except for the fans who will more likely be glad to hear being used. the 2nd solution is that if they really can't use it, that they can replace it with ONE OF THEIR OWN TUNES, not one from the 4kids scrap pile, but be sure to have the replacement be one that gives a similar feel (i have been hearing of goofy music in the original being replaced with serious music that completely changes the feel) but just use some common sense here.
Japanese vocal song that does not have an already made English version - four solutions for this one, wow. 1st solution is to just keep the damn song intact, kids aren't going to turn off the tv just because they hear a song in Japanese being played (if you must, you can even put subtitles on the bottom so we can understand). 2nd solution is to make an English vocal of the song, it's not that hard seeing as most of these are sung by one of the Japanese voice actors, so just have your English equivalent sing the song in English (most of these songs are done by Ash's Japanese voice Rika, so over here have Sarah do an English vocal, and i hear that Sarah has a really good singing voice) while keeping the tune intact, and the words as close to the original as possible. 3rd solution is the just use an instrumental version of the song, keeping the tune intact, but removing the words. 4th solution that does get done at times is to replace it with one of your own songs, which so far have been very impressive to a point were it's almost as good as the original.
Japanese vocal song that already does have an English vocal song for it - i only can think of three songs that fall under this category, Polka o Dolka (Gotta Dance), Takeshi's Paradise (Brock's Paradise?), and Type: Wild which although not made in the US, or used in the dub yet, the fact that an English version was created means that there is no need to replace it with anything else, although i'm not sure if any of those songs are going to be used in the future, but if they are, a replacement is out there.
if these things are done for the music, we can get a better dub over in the US and i hope that i get some support from the fans. thank you.