Story - Something we can all agree on?

[paperfairy]

TEH SPARKNOTES VERSION:

- Red begins his quest to complete the Kanto PokéDex. He does so, with the help of NOBODY. >=E
- His main rival is Green.
- Red becomes the champion of the Pokémon League, but decides to keep traveling.
- Red defeats Team Rocket in Saffron, and defeats Giovanni in Viridian.
- Red travels to Sevii after finishing the PokéDex. He does not, however, work on the PokéDex. He defeats Team Rocket here, and meets Lorelei too.
- His final team is Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise.
- His final training ground and home is Mount Silver.
- Red does not capture any Johto Legendaries, contrary to FR/LG.
- While Lance DID invite Red to visit Blackthorn, there is no proof that he even went to Johto, aside from Mount Silver.


Three years later....

- Gold runs Elm's errand, and evantually leaves on a quest to stop Silver, who has stolen a Pokémon from the lab.
- Thanks to the other continuities, it can be safely assumed that Gold left with Cyandaquil, and Silver left with Totodile.
- Kris is not born at all. Ever. Nope.
- Gold becomes the champion of the "second" Pokémon League.
- Gold, with the help of Red, completes the National PokéDex (of that time).
- Gold defeats Red, and becomes the world's strongest trainer.
- His final training ground and final team are unknown.
- Gold stops the Suicune crisis and defeats the second Team Rocket.

A few years later..... (I assume three)

- Brendan leaves home to become a Pokémon Mater.
- May is his rival, Wally is his secondary rival. May is the daughter of Professor Birch.
- Brendan, following the Emerald story, stops the Aqua and Magma feud.
- Brendan also completes the PokéDex with the help of Red and Gold. Somehow, Gold the completed dex to Red, who then traded to Brendan. This may be because of Johto's lack of communication with Hoenn. Wes of Orre is not relevant here, and appears to be set in an entirely different dimension, due to the frequent appearances of legendaries. Also, Wes has no reason to trade with people from other lands.
- Brendan becomes the champion of the Hoenn League.
- His final training ground and final team are unknown.

Four years later.... (I think)

FROM WHAT I KNOW:

- Kōki leaves to become a Pokémon Master.
- Jun and Hikari are his rivals. Hikari is seen with Nakamando, not Kōki.
- Kōki defeats Team Galaxy.
- Kōki becomes the Sinnoh League Champion.
- Kōki completes the National Dex with Brendan's help.
- His final training ground and final team are unknown.


Suggestions/changes?

 

[Silktree]

Suggestions/changes?

Your summary is ambiguous at some points, far from anything on which you can expect a consensus to be formed. For one thing, I really cannot see any logic behind your conclusion that the characters of Leaf and Kris are non-existent simply because they do not present themselves to their male counteparts (in-game), whereas the four male characters are somehow sworn in secrecy to pass on the PokéDex completion tradition.

Red travels to Sevii after finishing the PokéDex.

Red cannot complete the Kanto Dex without having been to Sevii Islands, though not for the Pokémon on the islands so much as for Cerulean Cave's Mewtwo. He heads to Sevii Islands (for the second time) almost immediately after defeating Green at Indigo Plateau.

His final team is Pikachu, Espeon, Snorlax, Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise.

There is a problem here. Gold and Silver adopted Yellow's concept of Pikachu being the true starter, and the three starters being available later on in Red's adventure. At the same time, Gym Leader Green employed a team reminiscent of that from the Red, Green and Blue games. Additionally, Pikachu was not shown standing next to Red.

But more importantly, where is the proof of Red's starter being Pikachu in the most updated games, FireRed and LeafGreen? If there were a third game, would Pikachu really be the starter? If there were no third game but remakes of Gold and Silver, would Red's team be faithful to the originals?

Red does not capture any Johto Legendaries, contrary to FR/LG.

Do you mean that it is impossible for him to have captured the five legendaries since they appear in the wild three years later? Are we supposed to infer that the reason Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres and Mewtwo are not available in the wild in Gold, Silver and Crystal, is that they are all in Red's possession?

From a storyline perspective, legendary Pokémon can simply be released. Moreover, it is possible that their capture is not required to complete the PokéDex. Either way, we know for a fact that Red encounters one of the legendary beasts (Suicune?), and is part of an expedition to Navel Rock.

Thanks to the other continuities, it can be safely assumed that Gold left with Cyandaquil, and Silver left with Totodile.

No, it can't.

Gold, with the help of Red, completes the National PokéDex (of that time).

Red certainly seemed eager to lend Gold a hand in that regard, didn't he?

Gold stops the Suicune crisis

It is not a crisis, but rather an invitation to a battle.

On the subject of whether Kris exists, I should add that Gold is seldom associated with Suicune and Eusine.

A few years later..... (I assume three)

- Brendan leaves home to become a Pokémon Mater.

Rather than delving into the explanation right away, I would like to know what makes you think that the Hoenn storyline takes place after the occurrences of Gold, Silver and Crystal. You must have heard of the notion that it takes place at the same time as the Kanto/Sevii Islands storyline.

May is his rival, Wally is his secondary rival. May is the daughter of Professor Birch.

Why is May Prof. Birch's daughter and not Norman's? Why is Wally the secondary rival when he is fought last, and never returns home?

Brendan also completes the PokéDex with the help of Red and Gold. Somehow, Gold the completed dex to Red, who then traded to Brendan. This may be because of Johto's lack of communication with Hoenn. Wes of Orre is not relevant here, and appears to be set in an entirely different dimension, due to the frequent appearances of legendaries. Also, Wes has no reason to trade with people from other lands.

This paragraph really has no canon foundation.

Four years later.... (I think)

If you think the time gaps follow the release dates of the games, you should probably know that Gold and Silver were released almost four years after Red and Green, much like with Diamond and Pearl compared to Ruby and Sapphire. Yet, the Johto storyline is set three years after that of Kanto.

Jun and Hikari are his rivals.

The opposite gender character does not even battle the player. If you think Wally is a secondary rival, I am not sure what it is you can call this character.

Hikari is seen with Nakamando, not Kōki.

Again, what makes you think that?

 

[Cybersai]

The Pokemon games have a story?

 

[Silktree]

The Pokemon games have a story?

Of course. If this comes as news to you, I recommend you play them again.

 

[Habunake]

Sarcasm. Not your cup of tea is it Unown?

Anyway, I swear I battled my opposite Gender Rival atleast once....

 

[Silktree]

Sarcasm. Not your cup of tea is it Unown?

The point is that if anyone expects to rebut other people's arguments by use of one line of sarcasm, the appropriate response is to make it seem the sarcasm has fallen on deaf ears.

Anyway, I swear I battled my opposite Gender Rival atleast once....

He or she only joins the player for a double battle against Team Galaxy grunts. I recommend you play the game, again.

 

[Fairy Leviathan]

To the first post - I thought Gold was the rival with Silver as the main character.

 

[Silktree]

To the first post - I thought Gold was the rival with Silver as the main character.

Gold is the main character and Silver is the rival. This can be proven thanks to Crystal where the rival's default name is Silver, rather than Gold.

 

[Another Fan]

I was fairly sure that they didn't give the option of a default rival name in GSC.

Glad you are bothering, that means people actually give a damn about the games story and presentation, which I obviously prefer over the other media.

Still, you have to admit, it makes a rather ambiguous conclusion. Which is fine really. Things I dislike have already been mentioned.

Really, I love the game's story and presentation. One in a million really.

 

[Silktree]

I was fairly sure that they didn't give the option of a default rival name in GSC.

By inserting no name of your own, the game generates the default name - 'Silver' in Gold and Crystal, 'Gold' in Silver.

I would like to say that despite my analytical and rather harsh reply, I do appreciate the thought put into your list, Paperfairy. I have been hoping for some time now that someone other than I would show signs of interest in documenting the game storyline. Clearly we are not in agreement on everything, and there are plenty of other topics not represented by this list which may pose a problem as well, but our shared interest can easily take care of all that.

 

[Another Fan]

"TEH SPARKNOTES VERSION:"

I thought this meant that it wasn't Paper who made it. If it is, what exactly does this mean?

 

[Silktree]

what exactly does this mean?

Sparknote defined.

I did not know of the term, either. In case you are wondering, the Sparknotes web site does not really have a page on Pokémon.

 

[Pokemaster Justin]

The continued story saga of RBY was ended at GSC. Don't try to take it further, it's not there.

 

[XD375]

R/S happens at the same time as FR/LG. D/P is expected to happen at the same time as the G/S remakes.

 

[Habunake]

A GS Remake will probably have the same story the original did.

DP is mentioned to take place a bit after the events in GS (they mention the Red Gyrados Ordeal), and their are hints that it takes place after RS as well (it's hinted a Galatic member use too be in Aqua, irc)

 

[Silktree]

The continued story saga of RBY was ended at GSC. Don't try to take it further, it's not there.

FireRed and LeafGreen took it further - further than the original games but still before the sequels in Johto. That should have answered your question as to why Ruby and Sapphire did not end up as sequel additions to Gold, Silver and Crystal. Evidently, a true continuation beyond the last point in the Johto games - the Mt. Silver battle - would necessitate remaking those games (at the very least Gold and Silver).

The real question is whether Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald's story was discontinued. I have not played Diamond and Pearl to be able to reach a verdict.

DP is mentioned to take place a bit after the events in GS (they mention the Red Gyrados Ordeal),

While the difference between being exactly parallel and being just about parallel is not a great one, I do believe that the Red Gyarados TV broadcast in Sinnoh can be taken to mean the former rather than the latter.

It can actually be derived that Red Gyarados has been at Lake of Rage for quite some time before Team Rocket interferes with the radio signals, which affect the resident Magikarp. Remember, neither Lance nor Team Rocket acknowledges its presence. However, one of the trainers has this to say:

What happened to the red Gyarados? It's gone? Oh darn. I came here for nothing?

In other words, the sighting has been reported for long enough for this trainer to make all the way to Lake of Rage to witness the anomality herself. The trainer may as well be from Sinnoh. In Diamond and Pearl, the reporter responsible for the TV broadcast is found much later in the game, so the effect of the broadcast is certainly a long-term one.

and their are hints that it takes place after RS as well (it's hinted a Galatic member use too be in Aqua, irc)

Yes. My qualm is that apparently the events of Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald are not clearly mentioned, and there is no time gap (three years) laid out by the games. The potential of many of the Team Galaxy grunts being remnants of Team Magma and Team Aqua consolidated by Akagi very well exists (it is strongly suggested by some in-game text).

 

[Johtoman 2]

Okay, Brandon and the Hoenn quest definetely take place at the same time as Kanto because when you fix the network machine it tells you that you can now trade with Hoenn trainers A.K.A. Brandon A.K.A. You.

 

[Happy Mask Man]

You can trade a Pokémon from Colosseum to a GBA game to XD without going through a time capsule though, and we already know that Colosseum and XD have a few years between them.

 

[Johtoman 2]

Yes, but the point is there are hints all over the place, like a man in Hoenn says something like "Brawly used to train with someone from Kanto" and someone in Kanto says "Bruno used to train with this guy called Brawly from Hoenn" and when Celio fixes the machine you are right, it does not go through a time capsule but there's loads of people saying "Oh, I can't wait to trade with people from Hoenn" and when you trade the only person you can trade with is yourself (on Sapphire) I never know, i might be wrong but this is how I see it...
(P.S. I cleared the Elite Four on Fire Red in 20 hours and 38 minutes and got Celio's machine working in 24 hours and 1 minute, just thought I'd tell you)

 

[deja0entendu]

The way I see it from everything I've played or read
RGBY/RSE ----> GSC/DP
and XD Lugia is the Lugia on the cover of Silver
he told me so after I caught him two days ago.