suggestions for my team?

[dbkret]

hi im new to the forums so yeah


make any suggestions you want cuz i want the best team i can get

here's mine

UPDATED!!

Metagross
adamant
252 HP, 236 ATK, 12 Def, 8 Speed
Occa berry
Stealth Rock
earthquake
bullet punch
explosion

Metagross is my lead. its good cuz it has many resistances, and occa berry weakens fire moves.
it can also set up with stealth rock.

Torterra
impish/adamant?
184 HP, 72 Atk, 252 Def
leftovers
seed bomb
leech seed
earthquake
synthesis/stealth rock?

torterra is going to be my tank, but im worried about ice type moves...

Lucario
jolly
4HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
life orb
swords dance
close combat
extremespeed
crunch

Salamence
naughty/naive
232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe
Dragon Dance
Outrage
earthquake
flamethrower

Umbreon
Careful
252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
Chople Berry
Baton pass
mean look
Taunt
wish

Gengar
timid
252 SpA. 252 Speed, 4 HP
life orb
thunderbolt
focus blast
destiny bond
shadow ball

my special sweeper.

i was thinking about using the two walls of skarmory and blissey, but then i thought that wasnt very original. if u have any ideas, i would love to hear them

thanks

 

[Tina]

Er, people can't post their own teams in your thread. They post it in their own thread..

There's just a couple common sense ones I question..

* Why Calm Mind on Bronzong with no special moves?
* Dream Eater gets horrible coverage for Gengar and is pretty much useless since people almost always switch after their Pokemon is sent to sleep.
* Brick Break and Earthquake on Lucario is redundant coverage, plus Brick Break has low power
* Nothing else takes advantage of Trick Room but Torterra
* Macho Brace on Umbreon's pointless

 

[kaijin2k3]

Gengar

- "Item: Quick Claw"

You're giving a Timid Gengar 252 Speed EVs, so there's no point in giving him a Quick Claw. He'll already be a lot faster than many other Pokemon, and the ones that are faster, well, Quick Claw's only 19-20% chance to trigger. That, and I believe many competitors have that Hax-Item clause that bans Quick Claw anyways (if you play by those rules...)

You don't have a Focus Sasher yet, so it would benefit your Gengar a whole lot more, because he can be rather squishy.

- "Dream Eater"

As Tina said, it has horrible type coverage, and it's unusable since people like to switch out the second a Pokemon gets put to sleep (or frozen, for that matter). Depending on your liking, you could go for another attacking move, such as Thunderbolt/Thunder (since you have no Pokemon with an Electric type attack). Or last resort moves, such as Destiny Bond/Explosion (these could go quite well with Focus Sash), or an anti-Blissey move such as Focus Punch.

Lucario

- "Brick Break"

Brick Break is a weak fighting-type move, and IMO should only be used on Pokemon that can't learn any stronger. In this case, Lucario can learn Close Combat naturally, which is a superior-move in almost every way. Your Def and Sp. Def will drop, but they're low on Lucario anyways...


Umbreon

- "Item: Macho Brace"

I don't think you fully understand what Macho Brace does, as it won't help you at all outside of a speed drop. Leftovers would definitely be the better choice on an Umbreon, imo.

- The movepool

One Taunt, and your Umbreon will Struggle itself to death unless you switch. While all those moves are definitely support, Umbreon is pretty much useless if its the last Pokemon there, or gets Mean Looked itself.

May I suggest:

Toxic
Mean Look/Substitute/Wish
Taunt/Some form of attacking move/Protect/Substitute/Wish
Baton Pass/Protect

Toxic will let it do something if it ends up being your last pokemon, Taunt will keep them from Taunting or Mean Looking you, and then you can baton pass whatever you want. I'm also not sure off the top of my head, but I don't think Wish needs to be Baton Passed.

But Umbreon is very slow, so it may not get the chance of setting up a Taunt before being hit by it itself. So you can either have some form of attacking move, such as Dark Pulse, so it won't Struggle to death (in case you don't want/can't switch), or Protect as it'll help you live while Toxic faints them. That, and you can use it to see if the other Pokemon has Taunt (as it will protect against it, and I'm sure they'll use it ASAP if they have it).


Bronzong

I like and use a Bronzong, but it's base stats really aren't that strong to wall for long without boosts. Calm Mind will definitely help, but be wary of pHazers. That, and if you keep Calm Mind, then keep Extrasensory. And if you keep it JUST for the Sp. Def boost, then Light Screen might serve you much better (and the rest of your team).

As for Trick Room, you have 3 pokemon that can make use of it (Torterra, Bronzong, Umbreon), but you also have 3 pokemon that screws them over (Lucario, Gengar, Dragonite), so you'll have to be very careful with it.

 

[ShinyFlareon]

Lucario

- "Swords Dance" and "Brick Break"

Lucario has insanely weak defenses and can be OHKO'd quite easily, sometimes even by non SE moves (which, being Fighting/Steel, you'll encounter a lot of SE moves). With that, you won't have many chances of setting up a Swords Dance unless you baton passed a substitute, and that MAY break on the switch in anyways. That is unless you give it a Focus Sash to save yourself from that OHKO move allowing it one Swords Dance.

Brick Break is a weak fighting-type move, and IMO should only be used on Pokemon that can't learn any stronger. In this case, Lucario can learn Close Combat naturally, which is a superior-move in almost every way. Your Def and Sp. Def will drop, but they're low on Lucario anyways...

"Insanely low"? Base 70 stats in both defenses and HP is pretty respectable. And a Swords Dance set is completely viable -- indeed, it might just be the most dangerous one Lucario can run. Also, Fighting/Steel means that only Fire, Fighting, and Ground are Super Effective against it -- not exactly a lot. True, most everything that can runs Earthquake, but once those things are out, Fire and Fighting moves are surprisingly rare. Lucario's best left to the late-game, anyway, when you already know your opponent's team inside and out.

 

[kaijin2k3]

"Insanely low"? Base 70 stats in both defenses and HP is pretty respectable. And a Swords Dance set is completely viable

You're right about SD. I'll edit that out of my post. But I still consider his defensive stats to be pretty low <.<

 

[Jimiinthesky]

i think the idea with the macho brace is so that umbreon will take the hit before passing, so that if he switched into somthing more 'squishy' it woudlnt get squashed as soon as it got moved in.

dont use torterra AND dragonite in the same team, i used to and it was diasterous, they both just got wiped out by ice beam all the time. i'd say switch torterra for some sort of enginered starter, ninjask to switch onto lucario, or maybe aerodactyl or metagross. bronzong and umbreon are fine as walls, and torterra really really doesnt work as a tank, as an ice move will defeat it in one.

 

[Wolflare]

Gengar
timid
252 SpA. 252 Speed, 4 HP
Life Orb / Focus Sash
Hidden Power Fire
Protect
Focus Blast
shadow ball

Quick Claw is banned. Hypnosis has 60% accuracy, very risky I may say, so use Hidden Power Fire>>Hypnosis. Dream Eater is LOL, since people switch out whenever their Pokemon is put to sleep, so use Protect>>Dream Eater. Focus Blast>>Substitute for unresistant coverage. HP Fire + Protect beats Scizor, which you MUST need to sweep, or you are going to be stopped immediately by Scizor.

Torterra
impish/adamant?
184 HP, 72 Atk, 252 Def
leftovers
seed bomb
leech seed
earthquake
synthesis/stealth rock?

Eww. "I get KOed by majority of the OU sweepers." =[

Lucario
jolly
4HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Life Orb
swords dance
Close Combat
ExtremeSpeed
Crunch

Adamant>>Jolly so you can OHKO certain threats, besides you have a priority move, ExtremeSpeed, in your arsenal. That said, use ExtremeSpeed>>Earthquake, which allows him to sweep against faster threats, and Luke is pretty slow. Close Combat>>Brick Break which offers better base power, and you don't need to worry about his defenses lowering as he has ExtremeSpeed. Use Crunch>>Shadow Claw, it has a higher base power.

Dragonite-adamant?
EV's 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 speed
leftovers?
dragon dance
dragon claw
fire punch
roost

"I get outclassed by DD Mence, which does this better thanks to his higher Atk and Spe." =\

not sure about the next two
Umbreon-Careful EV's 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe
leftovers/Chople Berry
Baton pass
mean look
Taunt
wish

Taunt>>Substitute (you seriously will not have time to set up that much =\) so it can stop Pokemon from PHazing you. Use 252 HP / 92 SpD / 164 Spe w/ Careful nature. Consider Chople Berry so it can survive a Heracross's Close Combat and Baton Pass safely.

Bronzong
brave
252 hp, 152 atk, 104 def
macho brace (to make gyro ball more effective)
gyro ball
trick room/extrasensory
calm mind
explosion/extrasensory (if i keep trick room)

Replace this. ._. He will not sweep, way too slow. >_>

Comments above.

 

[dbkret]

who do u recommend i replace bronzong with?
also, i was thinking about changing lucario to electivire? is that a good idea?
and im having second thoughts about umbreon as well

 

[Wolflare]

who do u recommend i replace bronzong with>
also, i was thinking about changing lucario to electivire? is that a good idea?

Metagross? A good Steel-type I guess. Definitely not, Luke is A LOT better than Vire. ;D Vire also only works with a Motor Drive boost, and there is nothing on your team to lure in Electric-type attacks, even with the boost, Lucario is still better.

 

[dbkret]

ok thanks
and what about umbreon? should i replace that with something else?

 

[Wolflare]

Umbreon is fine, but you should use DD Mence>>DD Nite since DD Mence does the job a lot better.

 

[dbkret]

ok
so should i just go with smogon's DDMence?
Salamence
naughty/naive
232 Atk / 24 SpA / 252 Spe
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw (prefer over outrage)
earthquake
fire blast/stone edge

 

[Wolflare]

Yeah, but I would still use Outrage>>Dragon Claw, it OHKOs and 2HKOs everything in OU. =O Although, it is your choice. =P

 

[dbkret]

ok
and for metagross, should i use him for my lead? i heard he is good for that. plus he can set up stealth rock

 

[Wolflare]

Yeah, Metagross is one of my favorite leads. Use him for lead, and bump Gengar into Bronzong's position.

 

[dbkret]

alright
thanks so much for all the advice