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Hello; I'm ZeoViolet and new to these forums, although I've been reading the wikipedia for years.

I came because, after playing Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (various incarnations; currently Explorers of Sky), I considered a curious thing.

One of the introductory scenes in the game depicts a Time Gear in a volcano; something your Partner also mentions when Time Gears first come up. Each Time Gear is portrayed with six arrows, and in the Temporal Tower, there is a place where, fitted, a sixth time gear would have had room to be placed. I assume therefore that it was an element of the game removed from the final version, but I'd like to know if anyone here knows the story of the missing timegear? It would have been easy to pass off the Partner's comment about a 'hidden altar inside a volcano' as just rumor if it hadn't shown up in the game itself as well as an early pre-game scene, but it does.

Any thoughts on the Lost Time Gear?
 
Welcome to the forums!

I always thought it was for show myself.
 
Now that you're mentioning it, it indeed is a bit weird.
How could they have returned all the Time Gears to the Temporal Tower if they didn't go there?

Or maybe Grovyle had already stolen the Time Gear from the volcano already?
 
Pingouin7 said:
Now that you're mentioning it, it indeed is a bit weird.
How could they have returned all the Time Gears to the Temporal Tower if they didn't go there?

Or maybe Grovyle had already stolen the Time Gear from the volcano already?
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No, because he first stole the one from Treeshroud Forest (unguarded), the one guarded by Ditto (presumed defeated) but it was not a volcano setting, and the last three were guarded by Uxie, Mespirit, and Azelf.

Besides...the notches in temporal tower would have had spaces for six, but at the very top where a sixth would have gone it was like it was removed and just replaced with a normal pattern. I'm fairly certain this was a lost segment in the games. It'd be nice to know if there was any story behind it. After all, it is still seen in the pre-game credits, resting on an altar of lava.
 
Dummied out is my best guess.

Bummer. Would've been neat to see, but the closest to a volcano was the cave under Uxie.
 
I used to assume it was a time gear that Darkrai took with him to the Dark Crater well before Grovyle started gathering them. It fits well enough if you're playing T/D (where you could assume that Darkrai stole them from their original resting place), but the bonus episode in Sky threw me for a loop, with its implication that the time gear had been there for a long time...
 
The possibility I can chase after is that, well, since when all time gears were put into place they joined the same pattern shown at the top where a sixth time gear would have been, then maybe at one time a time gear HAD been in the volcano but for some unknown reason had already been collected, and not by Grovyle, and placed into the slot at the top. Had it always been there as found by the exploration team? I doubt it since otherwise there would not have been such an emphasis on the altar at the beginning.

....*thinks* Wait! I know of a possible answer!

Since Darkrai lives in a volcano, maybe long ago he was the original guardian to the sixth time gear....in a volcano! Perhaps one day he began mulling over how that time gear worked and how distorting time could help him rule the world. Perhaps at one point in history he was not such an evil pokemon. So he takes that time gear with him when he goes to temporal tower to sabatoge it. Perhaps just one time gear in place, at the top, is unnatural when you need all six of them for proper flow, and that was part of the sabatoge tearing it apart. Grovyle in the future might have known this fact....that one time gear was out of his reach (In the future the place where they fit is totally destroyed) and so he knew he had to find five, not six.

The thing about storylines from Japan is they are not all wrapped up, neat and tidy, at the end for us as is the American way. The ending and a load of explanations for everything isn't the point; it's the journey. This fits in well enough with that idea!
 
I have a question, and fill free to criticize/correct me if I'm being ignorant but, why was temporal tower falling apart again?

I don't think they ever explain why. And how does putting the time gears back fix it? And how come after the tower is fixed, the places that were frozen in time, unfroze? Did the gears go back to their respective places or is it just that because the gears were at the tower that time was restored? If the places could still have time without the gears being there then why were the gears in those places in the first place? Why not keep them safely at the tower? And why do those places need time gears? I mean, do the gears really keep the time flowing in those places? If the Pokemon world needs time gears to function then shouldn't there be more then just six? Because it seems like to me that the gears only keep time going in a small area. That would mean that there would need to be a large amount of time gears to keep the entire world going. Is it that there are many time gears it's just that you only need six gears to stop the tower from falling? And what does freezing time really mean? I mean, we see that everything turns kind of grey but we never see any Pokemon stuck in place because of time not being there (we see a raindrop frozen in place but that's about it). If it means that anything caught in the freezing can no longer move then they should show us that those caught in the freezing can no longer move. Does the sun no longer set and rise in those sections? Cause it seems to do that. If you go into the section does that mean you can leave at the same time you entered? It doesn't seem to.
And... why can nobody tell that, that Drowzee was a bad guy? Or Dusknoir? Or Grovyle was the good guy? And why could the protagonist sometimes see the past/future and sometimes couldn't? Was there a rhyme or reason or was it just random? Did Grovyle have the ability? Maybe he did, I didn't play the mini story so I don't know. Did they explain why Dusknoir was working for Dialga? And hey, why did time freezing make Dialga go primal? And why couldn't he fix it?! He's the ruler of time isn't he?! He should be able to fix it!

And how, oh how, did I get a Burmy in my Explorers of Time game?! It says on Bulbapedia that you can't get Burmy in Explorers of Time. Is it just a specific kind of Burmy you can't get or is it because mine hatched from a egg?!

I'm just... so... confused...
 
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coolcatkim22 said:
I have a question, and fill free to criticize/correct me if I'm being ignorant but, why was temporal tower falling apart again?

I don't think they ever explain why. And how does putting the time gears back fix it? And how come after the tower is fixed, the places that were frozen in time, unfroze? Did the gears go back to their respective places or is it just that because the gears were at the tower that time was restored? If the places could still have time without the gears being there then why were the gears in those places in the first place? Why not keep them safely at the tower? And why do those places need time gears? I mean, do the gears really keep the time flowing in those places? If the Pokemon world needs time gears to function then shouldn't there be more then just six? Because it seems like to me that the gears only keep time going in a small area. That would mean that there would need to be a large amount of time gears to keep the entire world going. Is it that there are many time gears it's just that you only need six gears to stop the tower from falling? And what does freezing time really mean? I mean, we see that everything turns kind of grey but we never see any Pokemon stuck in place because of time not being there (we see a raindrop frozen in place but that's about it). If it means that anything caught in the freezing can no longer move then they should show us that those caught in the freezing can no longer move. Does the sun no longer set and rise in those sections? Cause it seems to do that. If you go into the section does that mean you can leave at the same time you entered? It doesn't seem to.
And... why can nobody tell that, that Drowzee was a bad guy? Or Dusknoir? Or Grovyle was the good guy? And why could the protagonist sometimes see the past/future and sometimes couldn't? Was there a rhyme or reason or was it just random? Did Grovyle have the ability? Maybe he did, I didn't play the mini story so I don't know. Did they explain why Dusknoir was working for Dialga? And hey, why did time freezing make Dialga go primal? And why couldn't he fix it?! He's the ruler of time isn't he?! He should be able to fix it!

And how, oh how, did I get a Burmy in my Explorers of Time game?! It says on Bulbapedia that you can't get Burmy in Explorers of Time. Is it just a specific kind of Burmy you can't get or is it because mine hatched from a egg?!

I'm just... so... confused...
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Temporal Tower was falling apart to begin with because it was sabatoged by Darkrai. As to why the Time Gears were dispersed in the long-ago time before the adventure started, we can only speculate. I indicated a few posts ago that the Japanese style of storytelling wasn't the sort that tied up loose ends, explained story plots, etc. It lives in the moment so details like that would have been deemed unnecessary to explain.

The Dimensional Scream could, I believe, only work with stuff connected to the Time Gears in the future because the ability was related to time to begin with, and thus the only things that could trigger that ability in a world where time did not move would be objects connected to what would have otherwise made it move--the Time Gears. In the past, since time still moved, the player's Dimensional Scream could be triggered by just about anything instead....time flowed through all things.

Drowzee was a low-rate thief and was interacting in a kindly fashion with small children. It wasn't enough to arouse suspicion until the wanted poster came up. And Dusknoir came from the future so nobody knew him in the past. It was easy to come across as someone highly intelligent and experienced, and who generated great respect. Grovyle was instantly suspect because--well, he was stealing the no-touchy timegears. Who felt the need to know more than that? Bring the theif to justice!

As for the periods of time where it had stopped but the surrounding areas still flowed with it--I assume that the areas, cut off from time's flow, became immune to any effect around it, like a snapshot. The sun might have technically passed over the sky each day, even in the "future", but the area, and later the whole world, was caught in a suspended moment, cut off from what was going on around them. Beats me, though, as to why one could still find living creatures, apples, etc where everything was suspended. Imagine being caught in stasis. Stuff goes on around you but your mind nor body does not know it, because it is caught in a moment of time not moving with the rest.

You cannot get Burmy in the dungeons maybe in Time, but you can still hatch it from an egg. The egg thing is totally random.

Dialgia: Losing control of time, for a pokemon who is the essence of time itself, drove him out of his mind, is a reasonable assumption, until only dark, twisted instinct, a self-preserving kind, remained. People can do that too....in the need to preserve our existence, we can be driven to things we'd never ever consider otherwise. Especially where a world has gone mad. (I am a slight history buff...)
 
ZeoViolet said:
Temporal Tower was falling apart to begin with because it was sabatoged by Darkrai. As to why the Time Gears were dispersed in the long-ago time before the adventure started, we can only speculate. I indicated a few posts ago that the Japanese style of storytelling wasn't the sort that tied up loose ends, explained story plots, etc. It lives in the moment so details like that would have been deemed unnecessary to explain.

The Dimensional Scream could, I believe, only work with stuff connected to the Time Gears in the future because the ability was related to time to begin with, and thus the only things that could trigger that ability in a world where time did not move would be objects connected to what would have otherwise made it move--the Time Gears. In the past, since time still moved, the player's Dimensional Scream could be triggered by just about anything instead....time flowed through all things.

Drowzee was a low-rate thief and was interacting in a kindly fashion with small children. It wasn't enough to arouse suspicion until the wanted poster came up. And Dusknoir came from the future so nobody knew him in the past. It was easy to come across as someone highly intelligent and experienced, and who generated great respect. Grovyle was instantly suspect because--well, he was stealing the no-touchy timegears. Who felt the need to know more than that? Bring the theif to justice!

As for the periods of time where it had stopped but the surrounding areas still flowed with it--I assume that the areas, cut off from time's flow, became immune to any effect around it, like a snapshot. The sun might have technically passed over the sky each day, even in the "future", but the area, and later the whole world, was caught in a suspended moment, cut off from what was going on around them. Beats me, though, as to why one could still find living creatures, apples, etc where everything was suspended. Imagine being caught in stasis. Stuff goes on around you but your mind nor body does not know it, because it is caught in a moment of time not moving with the rest.

You cannot get Burmy in the dungeons maybe in Time, but you can still hatch it from an egg. The egg thing is totally random.

Dialgia: Losing control of time, for a pokemon who is the essence of time itself, drove him out of his mind, is a reasonable assumption, until only dark, twisted instinct, a self-preserving kind, remained. People can do that too....in the need to preserve our existence, we can be driven to things we'd never ever consider otherwise. Especially where a world has gone mad. (I am a slight history buff...)
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Okay, I missed out on the explaination that Darkrai did it. Though, why is the question? What purpose did that serve him?

No, they aren't. I've seen Japanese style story telling and it typically doesn't have loose ends. I've seen many japanese storylines that had all the loose ends tied up (maybe a few things left to the imagination but it always explained the bigger plot points). The only times I've seen japanese storylines where this wasn't so was in bad japanese storylines, which isn't seclusive to Japan since I've seen the same thing happen in badly written american storylines.

But, not everything the protagonist touched got an reaction. They didn't get a reaction everytime they picked up an item off the ground or when they held an item. And, the character is constantly touching the ground. Wouldn't the ground cause an reaction?

Yes, because when I see a stranger acting kindly to young children I automatically think they're a nice person. I know this mustn't be a huge issue with Pokemon, but you would at least think the Human turned into a Pokemon would at least know to not let kids go off alone with a stranger.
Dusknoir was so obviously evil. The first time I started playing the game I kept shouting to the characters he was evil (then again I also thought Wigglytuff was evil but hey, then that would have been a decent plot twist). I mean, even if you get pass the fact he's a Dusknoir, he still seems to know things he couldn't possibly know and there was that time he had that evil smirk on his face for a second. I mean, if I was the protagonist and saw that I would be like "Listen friend, maybe we should go find out more about Dusknoir before we go about trusting him." And as for Grovyle, yes he was stealing Time Gears but why? They never stop to ask him why nor he even bothers to tell them I might add. I mean, Pokemon aren't naturally evil (unless near an evil person or the world is falling apart) so why is he doing that? It's just stupid of them not to ask these questions. Even the Pokemon from Red and Blue Rescue team weren't this dumb.

Well, in that case frozen time doesn't seem so bad. I mean, really if things can still exist in it then why couldn't they just wait till a place froze in time then move living stuff into it? I mean, the life caught in the frozing wouldn't be able to grow but if you took something living into the effected area wouldn't it be able to survive? Though, this is getting confusing because by all definitions this is not how freezing time is suppose to work.

Eggs are totally random? Well, I guess that makes sense. But if I can hatch a Burmy from an egg in time it shouldn't be considered exclusive to darkness then.

That seems kind of, bad design. I mean, if he loses his mind everytime time goes out of control how his he suppose to fix it? That's his job isn't it, to keep time balanced? I don't know, it just raises too many questions.
 
coolcatkim22 said:
Okay, I missed out on the explaination that Darkrai did it. Though, why is the question? What purpose did that serve him?

No, they aren't. I've seen Japanese style story telling and it typically doesn't have loose ends. I've seen many japanese storylines that had all the loose ends tied up (maybe a few things left to the imagination but it always explained the bigger plot points). The only times I've seen japanese storylines where this wasn't so was in bad japanese storylines, which isn't seclusive to Japan since I've seen the same thing happen in badly written american storylines.

But, not everything the protagonist touched got an reaction. They didn't get a reaction everytime they picked up an item off the ground or when they held an item. And, the character is constantly touching the ground. Wouldn't the ground cause an reaction?

Yes, because when I see a stranger acting kindly to young children I automatically think they're a nice person. I know this mustn't be a huge issue with Pokemon, but you would at least think the Human turned into a Pokemon would at least know to not let kids go off alone with a stranger.
Dusknoir was so obviously evil. The first time I started playing the game I kept shouting to the characters he was evil (then again I also thought Wigglytuff was evil but hey, then that would have been a decent plot twist). I mean, even if you get pass the fact he's a Dusknoir, he still seems to know things he couldn't possibly know and there was that time he had that evil smirk on his face for a second. I mean, if I was the protagonist and saw that I would be like "Listen friend, maybe we should go find out more about Dusknoir before we go about trusting him." And as for Grovyle, yes he was stealing Time Gears but why? They never stop to ask him why nor he even bothers to tell them I might add. I mean, Pokemon aren't naturally evil (unless near an evil person or the world is falling apart) so why is he doing that? It's just stupid of them not to ask these questions. Even the Pokemon from Red and Blue Rescue team weren't this dumb.

Well, in that case frozen time doesn't seem so bad. I mean, really if things can still exist in it then why couldn't they just wait till a place froze in time then move living stuff into it? I mean, the life caught in the frozing wouldn't be able to grow but if you took something living into the effected area wouldn't it be able to survive? Though, this is getting confusing because by all definitions this is not how freezing time is suppose to work.

Eggs are totally random? Well, I guess that makes sense. But if I can hatch a Burmy from an egg in time it shouldn't be considered exclusive to darkness then.

That seems kind of, bad design. I mean, if he loses his mind everytime time goes out of control how his he suppose to fix it? That's his job isn't it, to keep time balanced? I don't know, it just raises too many questions.
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I don't claim to know everything. These are only my own suppositions. And it is true that Japanese storytelling is different than Western. We like everything all wrapped up nice and tidy at the end with all loose ends brought home. Not so over there....not most of the time, anyways. It's more the journey. Some things have backstory that it is not felt necessary to explain on screen. That is why sometimes these things can frustrate western audiences. I'm not saying there isn't things that fall into that style. I've got anime collections out the ears and they all definetly follow the Japanese style of storytelling. The focus is just different than the western focus, which is why so many Americans see an anime or manga and feel like they've missed something. The fact that you feel you've missed a lot is for the very same reasons. Not everything needs explaining, and that is the Japanese way. (Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle are very good examples of prime Japanese style storytelling.)

My own interpretations are just that, interpretations. And the "why didn't it go off for touching everything" is the sort of nitpicky thing that is not addressed in most works. That is called "suspension of disbelief".

All eggs I have come across in the games have yeilded random results.

I am under the impression that Dialgia has never had time go out of control before. No small wonder that with no prior experience, primordial needs to preserve himself, instinct, are all that remains of his mind. Palkia is a grouchy pokemon but when his domain was threatened, when space was threatened, he exploded in rage and wasn't prone to listening to reason until it was forced in front of his face. Darkrai was responsible for that, too.

Darkrai wants to rule the world. But he's a pokemon from the shadows, so he basically makes all a world of shadowy darkness so he can rule it freely and without fear. MY question is why, in that distant frozen future, wasn't he, thus, ruling things? He goes on about how much he wanted to control it.

Since pokemon are not naturally evil or bad by themselves, trust is such a huge thing that it seems fairly normal for a kid to feel safe with a stranger. It is made clear that time going out of wack was messing with the natures of a lot of pokemon, turning many of them naughty or bad. But the same tendency to trust extended to dusknoir....but pokemon are also very protective, so with Grovyle, the instant a shade of mistrust was thrown at him, along with the immense importance of the Time Gears, well, that was all she wrote. He was a 'bad' pokemon. Nobody looked closer. That just seems to be the way of pokemon, I guess? I'm not clear on everything.
 
ZeoViolet said:
I don't claim to know everything. These are only my own suppositions. And it is true that Japanese storytelling is different than Western. We like everything all wrapped up nice and tidy at the end with all loose ends brought home. Not so over there....not most of the time, anyways. It's more the journey. Some things have backstory that it is not felt necessary to explain on screen. That is why sometimes these things can frustrate western audiences. I'm not saying there isn't things that fall into that style. I've got anime collections out the ears and they all definitely follow the Japanese style of storytelling. The focus is just different than the western focus, which is why so many Americans see an anime or manga and feel like they've missed something. The fact that you feel you've missed a lot is for the very same reasons. Not everything needs explaining, and that is the Japanese way. (Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle are very good examples of prime Japanese style storytelling.)

My own interpretations are just that, interpretations. And the "why didn't it go off for touching everything" is the sort of nitpicky thing that is not addressed in most works. That is called "suspension of disbelief".

All eggs I have come across in the games have yeilded random results.

I am under the impression that Dialgia has never had time go out of control before. No small wonder that with no prior experience, primordial needs to preserve himself, instinct, are all that remains of his mind. Palkia is a grouchy pokemon but when his domain was threatened, when space was threatened, he exploded in rage and wasn't prone to listening to reason until it was forced in front of his face. Darkrai was responsible for that, too.

Darkrai wants to rule the world. But he's a pokemon from the shadows, so he basically makes all a world of shadowy darkness so he can rule it freely and without fear. MY question is why, in that distant frozen future, wasn't he, thus, ruling things? He goes on about how much he wanted to control it.

Since pokemon are not naturally evil or bad by themselves, trust is such a huge thing that it seems fairly normal for a kid to feel safe with a stranger. It is made clear that time going out of wack was messing with the natures of a lot of pokemon, turning many of them naughty or bad. But the same tendency to trust extended to dusknoir....but pokemon are also very protective, so with Grovyle, the instant a shade of mistrust was thrown at him, along with the immense importance of the Time Gears, well, that was all she wrote. He was a 'bad' pokemon. Nobody looked closer. That just seems to be the way of pokemon, I guess? I'm not clear on everything.
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Ugh, listen, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have seen many Japanese shows and they did not do that. They explained things to an certain degree before stopping. This is not something that only Japanese works does I've seen it in American works, and English works and French works. And it's fine when they do that, they don't have to explain everything. It's just when it comes to some things they have to explain it. Like the gears, they're too important of a plot device to just leave infomation on them out. Now normally, I wouldn't need to know how they work or where they came from but because of Dialga it's necessary or else I get confused. Why is it these devices can fix time but not Dialga? Who could of possibly made a device more powerful then the ruler of time himself? I need to know or else it loses all credibility.

Ah, there is a fine line between "suspension of disbelief" and "it's magic, I don't have to explain it", much thinner then the line between "self explaining" and "plot hole".

And, why were Dialga and Plakia made with this huge flaw again? Did Arceus just not have the foresight or was he having a twisted sense of humor that day?

Why does Darkrai wanna rule the world? What purpose does that serve him?

Okay, so I'll say it again, why isn't the human character suspicious? They're a human, they know evil, they know distrust. I mean, sure they lost their memories but they still know what right and wrong is. Certainly they still hold the human understanding of good and evil.
 
Then you also never listened to the commentaries on the DVD versions of the first four movies, either. Or any number of lectures and videos I've watched that discuss much the same thing. Explanations are there, enough to convey what is going on, but the American style of storytelling is different. Were you aware that in the third pokemon movie, the little girl's mother was not gone because she'd been taken by the Unown? She was actually in a mental facility because the pressure of her husband being gone all the time took its toll on her. After he returned, the closing credits showed her coming back as well. This was a backstory for where her mother was, that the producers of the movie knew, but felt was one of those things that didn't have to be addressed. In an American movie this would have been addressed had it been the real thing and I do not doubt it.

The people who put the movie out in the US felt that this backstory that had been explained to them by those who made the movie was not something necessary to be explained either, so they just hinted that first the girl's mother had disappeared and then her father....and that when he had come back, she came back a little while later, as seen in the closing credits.

It is fun to speculate based on what is given. But you demand answers that nobody can give straight-on (and the best overall answer I can personally give is 'this is from the human mind'), and I imagine you enjoy advanced games of logic and puzzle games. Also, play the second half of the story already and read it. Many of your answers are right there. Darkrai himself answers many of your questions for his own motivations.

Now....be careful. I've been prone to doing the exact things you're doing (down to "how does a dungeon change it's layout 100% each time--how's this logical?" and "You deposit your stuff in Treasure Town...how'd the Kangaskhan Rocks get it?" and, yes, "Why didn't Dialgia or Celebi forsee it if they hop through time all the time?!" Suspend disbelief here or no? Hard to make up my mind.) and if I let myself get carried away it's impossible to enjoy it anymore.

Believe it or not, I have the exact same tendencies as you do. Learning to put all my questions and logic-demanding answers aside to just enjoy something was something that, believe it or not, I had to teach myself! And it still doesn't always take. This tendency is driving me crazy with Jean Auel's Earth's Children series, especially after as badly as she's botched the last two books of hers, and I don't want it to overwhelm it with my beloved Pokemon too. After all, in Mewtwo Returns, Mewtwo could have at any point activated his power fully and removed Giovanni and erased everyone's memory before he was forced into those machines of his--and quickly enough that Giovanni would have never seen it coming. Yet it never happened. But there'd never have been a story, either.

And, finally, the main reason for this thread was to wonder if anyone had heard of the mysterious missing sixth time gear. Now it sounds logical to me that Darkrai was once the guardian of that time gear before he let his mind go to power and darkness....and he lives in a volcano, like the one we see in the opening credits. It may or may not be the case, though.
 
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Okay, I'm going to stop arguing the storyline debate since you clearly aren't listening to a word I'm saying.

Darkrai has a motivation for doing what he's doing, okay. I just don't what that is because I'm not that far in the game and I don't know any websites that talk about what Darkrai actually says so, if you know could you tell me please.

I'm sorry for not being able to just look around plot holes but they bother me. Suspension of ddisbelief does not mean that the writers can get away with writing anything. It means that they can write that there is a machine that can turn lead into gold or a talking dog and still have the audience belief what's happen. It does not mean that they can write that there is, a shotgun hanging the wall, have a character use it to kill one zombie and then never have them use it to kill anything else, or, have a character that has a spacecraft in their backyard and never explain why they have it. That kind of stuff is just bad writing.
 
If you're not that far into the game, then you're going to get your own questions answered further down the road, because a lot of them are. Darkrai goes into great, great detail because of how much he is just behind everything that happens in the game.

There's some anime with some of the most outrageous plotlines, such as Mahoromatic Maiden (although I don't recommend it if you are under sixteen) and there's no way anyone can get me to believe it, but it's just so much fun I don't care. (Lessee, beautiful buxom artificial woman who's fought for nine years for this war-filled intergalactic empire thing but has to kill a man she doesn't want to kill and when she has a year left to live decides to become the MAID of this man's son to make up for it? For starters....yeah right.)

Haibane Renmei has significan religious aspects (doesn't focus on any one religion) and is deliberately meant to leave you wondering at most of what you see and the creator wanted it that way, so everyone could draw his or her own conclusions and get their own personal message from it.

Sypro the dragon's first game doesn't make sense in the fact that Spyro is still the only one fighting even after he frees all the other dragons. Other than sage advice why don't they help him any? Yet it's my other favorite game series. XD

I just quit ripping my hair out over some of the stuff. Anime THRIVES on the most outrageous explanations for some of its plotlines, but as for the game, if the problem is so far because you haven't experienced much of the game for yourself--do it! A lot of your missing pieces fill in by themselves by the very, very end of the second half of the storyline, the "post-game" half, because your character saves the world twice. I've said them, but they're my interpretation of them, and nothing's clearer to the player than the main source of the game than the game itself.

But there's always, always going to be the storyline telling style differences I keep mentioning. Some stuff is just never explained, and probably wasn't meant to be explained. (DBZ is WHOA full of that.....it still drives me nuts.) Watch out for Palkia. It isn't discussed as a possibility, but he can quite possibly go down the same road as Dialgia. Darkrai's meddling will certainly screw with his ability to see reason. And play the episode "In the future of darkness" once you unlock it!

Once you've played the game in its entirety come back, because I'm actually curious if after it all plays, you still hold the same opinions. Darkrai's one of those really ultra-shadowy caracters. He even about drives Cresselia up the wall. And further into the second half of the storyline, she too will play a part in all the madness.
 
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