The most underrated Pokemon

[Wispy Willow]

This thread is basically the opposite of the thread about the most overrated Pokemon: what 'mons do you think are undeserving of a plasement in a lower tier or ones that you don't see much but are actually quite good? For me I'd have to say Mega Gardevoir, Escavalier and Siesmatoed, Escavalier because it is a great 'mon but is considered outclassed by Scizor and Forretress in most of the compeditve comunity, Siedmatoed for similar reasons as Escavalier: the big frog is considered outclassed by Swampert and Gastrodon, and M. Gardevoir because, while people claim they have low Defence or something (I don't realy follow Smogon) if you train it right it can survive a surprisingly strong attack; mine, for instence, survived a +1 Stone edge crit from a Dragonite with 3 HP and proceded to destroy all but one of my opponent's remaning Pokemon.

 

[JustJeff]

I gatta say Sharpedo!

With its addition of Destiny Bond this Gen, its quite the....Monster! (go home your drunk!)
No 1 expects to have the move, and it out speeds everything due to speed boost! So for the most part, it can always get a double down!
120 Base Attk, + Attk Nature, and a Life Orb! Everything will tremble before its Jaws! Ahahahha!!!!!

 

[TerraTF]

Lilligant. It's really the poor man's Venusaur but still great.

 

[Apawn:p]

Sawk, why, the only fighting type to have study, then band/scarf it, it's a beast, and I can't wait till the custap berry comes out (when low hp, allows you to go first).

 

[Wispy Willow]

Sawk, why, the only fighting type to have study, then band/scarf it, it's a beast, and I can't wait till the custap berry comes out (when low hp, allows you to go first).

The Custap berry doesn't work that way, I'm affraid. It only makes you move first in you're priority bracket, so if you're trying to KO a T-flame trying to revenge kill you with a non-priority move like Stone edge and it uses Brave bird you're going down.

 

[Apawn:p]

Sawk, why, the only fighting type to have study, then band/scarf it, it's a beast, and I can't wait till the custap berry comes out (when low hp, allows you to go first).

The Custap berry doesn't work that way, I'm affraid. It only makes you move first in you're priority bracket, so if you're trying to KO a T-flame trying to revenge kill you with Stone edge and it uses Brave bird you're going down.

Ohh it does let you go first

Here is the priority bracket
+8 Quick Claw/Custap Berry trigger message
+7 Pursuit*
+6 Switching out, rotating, using items, escaping, charging of Focus Punch, Mega Evolution*
+5 Helping Hand
+4 Detect, Magic Coat, Protect, Spiky Shield, Snatch
+3 Endure, Fake Out, King's Shield, Quick Guard, Wide Guard, Crafty Shield
+2 Extreme Speed, Feint, Follow Me, Rage Powder
+1 Ally Switch, Aqua Jet, Baby-Doll Eyes, Bide, Bullet Punch, Ice Shard, Ion Deluge, Mach Punch, Powder, Quick Attack, Shadow Sneak, Sucker Punch, Vacuum Wave, Water Shuriken, All Priority Abilities.
0 All other moves, shifting
-1 Vital Throw
-2 None
-3 Focus Punch
-4 Avalanche, Revenge
-5 Counter, Mirror Coat
-6 Circle Throw, Dragon Tail, Roar, Whirlwind
-7 Trick Room
-8 None

 

[Wispy Willow]

Sawk, why, the only fighting type to have study, then band/scarf it, it's a beast, and I can't wait till the custap berry comes out (when low hp, allows you to go first).

The Custap berry doesn't work that way, I'm affraid. It only makes you move first in you're priority bracket, so if you're trying to KO a T-flame trying to revenge kill you with Stone edge and it uses Brave bird you're going down.

Ohh it does let you go first

Here is the priority bracket
+8 Quick Claw/Custap Berry trigger message
+7 Pursuit*
+6 Switching out, rotating, using items, escaping, charging of Focus Punch, Mega Evolution*
+5 Helping Hand
+4 Detect, Magic Coat, Protect, Spiky Shield, Snatch
+3 Endure, Fake Out, King's Shield, Quick Guard, Wide Guard, Crafty Shield
+2 Extreme Speed, Feint, Follow Me, Rage Powder
+1 Ally Switch, Aqua Jet, Baby-Doll Eyes, Bide, Bullet Punch, Ice Shard, Ion Deluge, Mach Punch, Powder, Quick Attack, Shadow Sneak, Sucker Punch, Vacuum Wave, Water Shuriken, All Priority Abilities.
0 All other moves, shifting
-1 Vital Throw
-2 None
-3 Focus Punch
-4 Avalanche, Revenge
-5 Counter, Mirror Coat
-6 Circle Throw, Dragon Tail, Roar, Whirlwind
-7 Trick Room
-8 None

Uh, you're only pointing out that the Custap berry 'trigger message' (i. e. the message saying that the berry activated) goes first, and besides, on Bulbapedia's page on the berry it says that it 'lets the user go first in it's priority bracket.'

Anyway, let's not let this thread turn into a discussion about the Custap berry, back on topic with another 'mon I find underrateed: Eelektross. While people say it doesn't have the best stats of the Electric 'mons but when I used one on my VGC Doubles team based around Trick room even though it wasn't IV breed or EV trained and it's Bold nature held it back when I used a Physical set it was still great.

 

[Apawn:p]

Just for fun, Dunsparce, a great paraflincher

 

[Alexey]

Mismagius. Its various sets can fill any special-based role on the team, and it has amazing movepool which allows for some surprise factor (my favourite being a OHKO on an incoming Charizard/Talonflame/Pinsir/Whateverelseisquadweaktorock with Power Gem).

 

[Paleo]

Just for fun, Dunsparce, a great paraflincher

I am actually planning to use this alongside a Stunfisk soon
I'm breeding fisk atm, but Dunsparce will be my next project :3

 

[Supreme Leader Palpitoad]

Got to say Gogoat, really. I is a monster. Gove it 252 Def EVs and it will be bulky enough to take a hit while boosting with Bulk Up and hit back with Horn Leech, healing itself. It can also learn various coverage moves like EQ, Rock Slide, Brick Break and Aerial Ace. And it has even more recovery in form of Milk Drink.
Then, as the crazy guy I am I put an Eviolite on Palpitoad, gave him Toxic, Protect, Scald and Hydro Pump and sent him out at Ranked in Battle Spot. As far as I can remember he managed to kill a Nidoking once, almost one-shot a Landorus with Hydro Pump and once he aquired a Choice Band/Scarf from Trick. So as most people would predict him to faint immediatley and he did not, he is underrated.

 

[AnybodyAgrees]

Occasionally, I take my LC team in to the lower tiers without altering their EVs or items.
Most of the matches have been SubNP Misdreavus sweeps. It is bulkier than its evolution, and finds many opportunities to come in and set up. With Sticky Web and Toxic Spikes up, it then becomes near impossible to kill.

 

[Vivillon]

Vivillon. In situations where Sleep Clause is not active, it can ANNIHILATE entire teams. All it takes is a bit of accurate sleep guesswork and quiver dance/STAB.

 

[AnybodyAgrees]

My favorite pokemon to use in the lower tiers are, in no particular order:
Lickilicky, Typhlosion, Spinarak, Rhydon, Azurill, Dedenne, FEAR Whimsicott, Klinklang, Sigilyph, Gourgeist, Emolga, and FEARCone.

 

[Farfetchd the Vigilante]

I always loved Quagsire. Outclassed by such and such, but it can prevent a poké from boosting up with Oblivious.

 

[Simba]

According to its current Tier ranking and usage frequency on Smogon, Vaporeon! It's got SUCH bulk, is an absolute wonder on Rain teams and is even really good solo. Nobody uses it anymore because of the Drizzle nerf, but I think it's still highly useful.

Vivillon. In situations where Sleep Clause is not active, it can ANNIHILATE entire teams. All it takes is a bit of accurate sleep guesswork and quiver dance/STAB.

In situations where Sleep Clause isn't active, any Pokemon with a reliable Sleep move can annihilate entire teams, that's why there's a Sleep Clause -- Sleep is cheap if you just Sleep the entire team.

 

[Vivillon]

According to its current Tier ranking and usage frequency on Smogon, Vaporeon! It's got SUCH bulk, is an absolute wonder on Rain teams and is even really good solo. Nobody uses it anymore because of the Drizzle nerf, but I think it's still highly useful.

Vivillon. In situations where Sleep Clause is not active, it can ANNIHILATE entire teams. All it takes is a bit of accurate sleep guesswork and quiver dance/STAB.

In situations where Sleep Clause isn't active, any Pokemon with a reliable Sleep move can annihilate entire teams, that's why there's a Sleep Clause -- Sleep is cheap if you just Sleep the entire team.

The reason I personally find Sleep Clause so silly is because instead of switching out when asleep, people are forgetting that you don't HAVE to switch out. Just let your pokemon take a hit or two and bite back. Hard. Anyways, Vivillon still works vety nicely for me in 3v3s If it weren't the fact that my prankspore team REQUIRED Smeargle, I'd still have Vivillon.

 

[TerraTF]

According to its current Tier ranking and usage frequency on Smogon, Vaporeon! It's got SUCH bulk, is an absolute wonder on Rain teams and is even really good solo. Nobody uses it anymore because of the Drizzle nerf, but I think it's still highly useful.

Vivillon. In situations where Sleep Clause is not active, it can ANNIHILATE entire teams. All it takes is a bit of accurate sleep guesswork and quiver dance/STAB.

In situations where Sleep Clause isn't active, any Pokemon with a reliable Sleep move can annihilate entire teams, that's why there's a Sleep Clause -- Sleep is cheap if you just Sleep the entire team.

The reason I personally find Sleep Clause so silly is because instead of switching out when asleep, people are forgetting that you don't HAVE to switch out. Just let your pokemon take a hit or two and bite back. Hard. Anyways, Vivillon still works vety nicely for me in 3v3s If it weren't the fact that my prankspore team REQUIRED Smeargle, I'd still have Vivillon.

The reason why Sleep Clause is a thing is to prevent a game from being nearly unplayable. Yeah a hit or two don't matter, but when most Pokemon OHKO, 2HKO, or 3HKO, switching out to a Pokemon knowing your opponent can't put another to sleep is great. I have to agree with Vivillon being underrated. I've seen someone sweep an entire team with a Vivillon and it was amazing.

 

[PenguinPaladin]

Rampardos. The Mold Breaker is Uh-Mazing! It also has some superior moves and it's defense is awesome!

I've used it to destroy a team tons of times!

 

[Simba]

According to its current Tier ranking and usage frequency on Smogon, Vaporeon! It's got SUCH bulk, is an absolute wonder on Rain teams and is even really good solo. Nobody uses it anymore because of the Drizzle nerf, but I think it's still highly useful.

Vivillon. In situations where Sleep Clause is not active, it can ANNIHILATE entire teams. All it takes is a bit of accurate sleep guesswork and quiver dance/STAB.

In situations where Sleep Clause isn't active, any Pokemon with a reliable Sleep move can annihilate entire teams, that's why there's a Sleep Clause -- Sleep is cheap if you just Sleep the entire team.

The reason I personally find Sleep Clause so silly is because instead of switching out when asleep, people are forgetting that you don't HAVE to switch out. Just let your pokemon take a hit or two and bite back. Hard. Anyways, Vivillon still works vety nicely for me in 3v3s If it weren't the fact that my prankspore team REQUIRED Smeargle, I'd still have Vivillon.

I'm...flabbergasted. Sleep Clause is easily the most uncontroversial, obviously-necessary clause second perhaps only to the Species Clause. There's just so much wrong with what you said. TerraTF said it well but I feel compelled to say more.

1) You can't necessarily hit back. Hard. Not every Pokemon is a hard-hitter. Any Pokemon not built for bulk will almost certainly be killed if they just waited out their sleep. So that means, without a Sleep Clause, nobody would be able to use any defensively weak Pokemon of any kind, which cuts out a massive swath of potential and strategy.

2) If your sleeper has a stat-boosting move, you could use your opponent's sleep time to boost yourself to ridiculous levels and sweep their entire team. Doesn't matter when they wake up if you've boosted your stats to godly levels.

3) The most important point -- if you're allowed to Sleep as many opponents as you want, nobody will do anything else. Every single team will have a high-speed Spore lead so they can sleep their opponent's whole team, then setup at leisure.

I mean, I know people moan and whine about everything remotely related to Smogon and competitive-level Pokemon, but I honestly never believed I'd see someone who thought the Sleep Clause was a bad idea. I'm feeling pretty dumbfounded right now. What's next? Someone who thinks Lati@s should be usable in Little Cup?

Seriously, though, you can prove the necessity of Sleep Clause to yourself. Set up a match with a competitive player, and tell them "please use Sleep-inducing moves and Sleep as many of my Pokemon as you want; I'm trying to prove that Sleep Clause is silly." And for added measure, don't use any Sleep-inducing moves yourself.

Use any team you want; you'll lose. Every single time, without fail. Then you'll see the Sleep Clause is utterly necessary.