The NU discussion Thread

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Just so Clapton doesn't have to make this. LOL

Just like the other two (UU and OU), this thread is made to discuss the comings and goings of the (rather vast) NU tier. New additions to the NU tier, Pokemon moving up or down on the tier, as well as successful movesets, styles, and strategies. This is not a place to post warstories. You can make your own thread for that. This is to discuss movements in the tiers, regarding what teams work, and changes in the tier.

Firstly, this is the most up to date NU tier list.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/nu

This tier is the one that shall be the subject of discussion, not the Marriland/IGN NU tiers.
 
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I was gonna make this thread. :( anyways, in NU, the fire trio (typh, magmortar, and zard) run loose along with espeon. SR is a must. I find support araldo amazingly good, with rapid spin and stealth rock. I alsofind that sunny day teams are alot more prominent, mostly due to the above fire types and all clorophyll users. Shiftry does amazingly well. This is probably my favorite or second favorite metagame.
 
And again, for NU I like my Rain Dance teams, as there are still decent Rain Dance sweepers in the tier. However, this is one tier where you can experiment a lot, try out different movesets. I find Dunsparce and Miltank very useful here, as well as Espeon and Mantine, given the right supporting cast. Medicham, in theory, should be a beast, but I've never tried it.
 
Lickilicky is beast!

Literally. I'm not just saying it because it's my favorite. Good defences, equal (enough) attack stats, and a MoveOcean to boot. The only thing bad is that Snorlax outclasses it in almost every way.

I've had my mono Lickilicky team (Yes, you read that correctly) beat Ubers on PBR (EV trained, Japanese Ubers)
 
If you play UU. you should know the difference. Think of a UU metagame without moltres, froslass, ambipom, donphan, azumaril, blaziken, steelix, registeel, blastoise, Raikou, venasaur, and all the other pokemon you pretty much ever see. A metagame where the biggest threats are espeon, typhlosion, and medicham. It is completely different, clearly you only play OU.
 
coolking503 said:
If you play UU. you should know the difference. Think of a UU metagame without moltres, froslass, ambipom, donphan, azumaril, blaziken, steelix, registeel, blastoise, Raikou, venasaur, and all the other pokemon you pretty much ever see.
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How I've never had a NU Standard battle. All I've been in is UU Standard with a bunch of UU and NU Pokemon mixed together all the time.

A metagame where the biggest threats are espeon, typhlosion, and medicham.
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.___. those aren't the biggest threats...

It is completely different, clearly you only play OU.
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No it's not it's the same thing. All I've ever seen are the same Pokemon over and over again and the same threats. Nothing is different. The only thing is I can't use NU and UU in Little Cup but I can't use anything above BL in UU and NU...it's basically their own little tier to me. I know how tiers work, but I just have an opinion on them and it works the best for me my way.

You're basically saying I lack competitive gameplay experience because I hold an opinion on two tiers. I've played in every tier and I play in OU and UU nearly every time I jump on Shoddy. For you to try to lecture me on this because I just hold an opinion on something is honestly laughable.
 
DCM said:
Persian is a favourite NU of mine.
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I'm actually using a Persian as a lead on my NU Shoddy team. It works alright as a lead, but the team has had mixed results.
 
Do you use the Fake Out/ Hypnosis/ Return/ U-turn set? If you play it right it works excellently
 
I use that set, except I swapped return for bite. I usually Fake out>Hypnosis>U-turn.
 
Well, it's an NU. A bunch of Pokes in UU matches are NU, surprising enough.
 
LucarioAura said:
Wait, Persian NU? I use it all the time in UU contests :~
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I think the reason why Persian is NU is because it's an inferior version of Ambipom (who's as fast as Persian is, but it has stronger Fake Outs. Ambipom also has a better physical move pool).
 
Sorry Darwin, I just figured you didn't know about NU, or uu since you figured they were the "same shit". I find NU to be so much different from any other tier outside of LC, because the threats in NU are only found in NU pretty much. How many Espeons or medichams do you see in uu, almost none. Its fun to play a metagame without known pokemon. I have 3 NU teams at the moment, one rain dance, which wrecks, one monofire, which works well with armaldo as a wild card, and one team which is standard. Persian is the most used NU lead, BTW, so its no suprise everone uses it. So tell me everyone, so you believe there should be another tier under NU. When entei and minun are in the same tier, there is something wrong, imo, and an NU2 or something with a better name should be instituted so those pokes get some use, since even in NU they aren't used.
 
Like just call it forgotten?? xD, I really want to try nu but I not familiar with the meta, anyone wanna fill me in?
 
OK, heres an intro:

Nu is a metagame which includes the least used pokemon, hence the name. However, several of these pokemon can be used successfuly in standard play, such as walrein, entei, and medicham. Whatever the reason, they are not used commonly. This metagame was made so people could try to use these pokemon in a metagame where they would be competitive.

NU is a metagame which is centralized around a few threats. Because it changes with the UU tier's usage, it adapts very quickly to call ups and call downs. The metagame is centralized around fire types, currently, with 3 of the top 8 threats being fire typed. This is similar to sayin OU is dragon centralized. The top pokemon used, in no paticular order are espeon, skuntank, slowking, typhlosion, magmortar, charizard, medicham, and miltank. Now for each pokemon:

espeon:Once alakazam became uu, espeon dropped to NU. It has amazing speed and SpA, and can rip through alor of the metagame.It has few counters, like slowking and skuntank, which will stop it, else it must be revenge killed by a scarfer or diglett's sucker punch.

skuntank: Like scizor in OU, it is an anti-metagame pokemon. Priority sucker punch dents espeon badly, along with gardevoir, and the ability to revenge kill other threats with STAB sucker punch.

Slowking: One of the premier walls, stopping espeon in its tracks, and keeping good synergy with the other main wall in the tier, miltank. It can utilize curse sweep as well. Not much more to say.

typhlosion: with a scarf, max special attack eruption murders things. It already has good speed, and an amazing SpA, along with STAB eruptio, it can OHKO a typical gligar (another good wall). The few things that can stop it are slowking, along with wiscash, quagsire, and gastrodon, which 4x resist fire. It usually carries HP grass to deal with those, so it has to be scarfed into eruption to switch in. SR also ruins it.

magmortar: looking at its stats, it is a slightly less bulky metagross with its attack and special attack switched. It is an amazing wall breaker, and can go physical or special. It can revenge kill with a scarf, as well, and was used in that role the most until typhlosion dropped down.

charizard: I use this in OU, and it fares well. Bellyzard ca sweep through teams in NU, and special charizard also does huge damage. It is more unpredictable than magmortar due to bellyzard explosive power (belly drum + salac). Just a beast in tandem with the other fire types.

Medicham: mostly outclassed by Azumaril, it has pure power, doing huge damage with max attack. Its low speed allows it to use a scarf, or it can use a choice band to increase its power even more. I mean, thats like 750 attack. Or of course, you can give it a life orb and abuse its attack even more. priority kills, though, as its rather frail. (just thought of this, but how the hell did marill get huge power? I get thick fat, but huge power? 0_o)

Miltank: another amazing wall, it can use curse, and it has good recovery. Like the Blissey of NU, it has heal bell, stealth rock, as well as status moves. Thick fat gives it a valuble fire resist, as seen above. Miltank is so bulky, life orb medicham won't ko a standard set with brick break. Its physically defensive, so it works well with the special slowking.

edit: here is the top 10 usage;

1 | Skuntank | 1373 | 44.49
2 | Slowking | 1082 | 39.63
3 | Primeape | 846 | 30.99
4 | Medicham | 713 | 26.12
5 | Miltank | 647 | 23.70
6 | Espeon | 599 | 21.94
7 | Quagsire | 564 | 20.66
8 | Magmortar | 532 | 19.49
9 | Sandslash | 473 | 17.33
10 | Charizard | 424 | 15.53

Primape can scout with u-turn, quagsire walls, especially fire types, and sandslash sets up stealth rock and can rapid spin so fire types can be used. I forgot to write about primape, but is is commonly used witha scarf to abuse uturn.
 
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NU as a tier is too big. It seems like everything that is a top level threat now was a mid-level threat in old UU. Everything in old NU is now completely worthless. There is a huge selection of fully-evolved Pokemon that used to be competitively viable in some tier and is now completely worthless. I kind of have a grudge against the current NU for that reason, even though I understand the reason for its existence.
 
Mijzelffan said:
medicham, regigigas and Slaking are too powerfull for NU imo.
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No way. medicham ,ok, but slaking is stopped by prediction, and regigigas has slow start. If you have ever played NU you would see.

As to the post above me, I completely agree, exept I still liike NU. I think there should be another tier under NU, so those underneverused pokemon could have a chance.
 
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